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Re: Modified video

Frankenbird Vern
 

 Hey Jon.. when you get the tree to bloom Ben Franklins let me know!! Every time my wife has me go with her to the
garden centers I look for them money trees...I even ASK for them!!   

 On a more aircrafty question..does your RV4 engine mount have the RV7 gear gussets added? Just curious to learn if 
you discovered cracking in the tubes or weld interface to the main gear tube.  Not all gears have but it is I believe a 
point of concern during conditional inspection.

 The fellow that does the recommended repair is located in Vancouver Washington. 

Vern  

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jon Finley <jd@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 3:51 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Modified video
 
Thanks for the heads-up Jay - looks interesting. I suspect you already know but just in case, you can also use the free GoPro Quik to do similar. The problem with the instrumentation in Quik is that it is  limited and not particularly 'attractive' (at least IMO).  I'm currently waiting for my money tree to bloom but may give this software a shot when it does.

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Frankenbird Vern
 

 That would work also. But as you noted, not much real estate to work with at the fuselage and canard junction. Lots of 
challenge. Still, it is a possible venue. Steve..using the Grove gear, how did the ramp angle work out and the gear stagger 
to bring the C/L of the tires to the MKII location from the Datum?  You see why I chose the RV7 gear design? 
Not only for reasons of working out a lot of installation issues , but the design has been flying the Experimental aircraft sky 
ever since the W8/W10 plans were sent by Mr. Wittman. I am skilled enough in TIG welding this is not a big event to fabricate.

Vern in frozen (again) Oklahoma

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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 10:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] Hoop Gear Suggestions
 
I helped a fellow builder install a Grove aluminum gear, on his Dragonfly.  There were plenty of challenges in finding a location for the attach points,  reinforcing the fuselage structure, machining the attach brackets, locating the holes for the hydraulic brake lines, etc.

Steve


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions, Spring Steel design.

Frankenbird Vern
 

 On the Dragonfly list there are members asking about the spring steel MKII design. I have a copy of the 
sketch and it includes the materials used but I suspect it may be in the archives hereon Q-list. My printed 
copy is not in the best condition but I can scan and upload if there is no file available. 

  The builders longer term than I am probably have some history on this main gear design. I seem to remember
there were more than one or two aircraft that were revised to this design and the reports were it was quite a 
successful change. Same issues about the glass de lams in the MKII original stubs. Since my project had the
similar overall questions about the gear I collected as much data as I could for options.  

 My canard has the glass stubs because I purchased it that way, but I am not going to use the spring steel, hoop, 
or enhanced glass MKII gear. I am going with the RV7 (Wittman W10) main gear design. I already have new legs,brakes,
wheels..and wheel pants.   

 The engine mount design is already available since William Wynne built the mount for an Ed Luce Buttercup project he 
was building. I have the plans for that aircraft also. Of course William intended to use the Corvair powerplant on the 
Buttercup..as I am on Frankenbird. 

Vern    

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Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 8:42 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Hoop Gear Suggestions
 
Steve,

Testing a few layups to see how size increases with time was my thought, I was just trying to avoid multiple shipments from AS&S.

Michael,

You are correct, DBFN 43 is the one that I am using for reference.  It gives great information for the finished dimensions but doesn't say anything about the amount of fiberglass required.  It also says S-Glass but that was corrected in later issues to E-Glass.  Using E-Glass thickness of 0.012" the 5/8" thick section would take 52 layers assuming that the glass doesn't swell and another 52 layers for the 1 1/4" thick sections.  I think that West Systems is the popular contemporary choice for resin but I am not sure.


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Steve Rothert
 

I helped a fellow builder install a Grove aluminum gear, on his Dragonfly.  There were plenty of challenges in finding a location for the attach points,  reinforcing the fuselage structure, machining the attach brackets, locating the holes for the hydraulic brake lines, etc.

Steve


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

J-Dubs
 

Steve,

Testing a few layups to see how size increases with time was my thought, I was just trying to avoid multiple shipments from AS&S.

Michael,

You are correct, DBFN 43 is the one that I am using for reference.  It gives great information for the finished dimensions but doesn't say anything about the amount of fiberglass required.  It also says S-Glass but that was corrected in later issues to E-Glass.  Using E-Glass thickness of 0.012" the 5/8" thick section would take 52 layers assuming that the glass doesn't swell and another 52 layers for the 1 1/4" thick sections.  I think that West Systems is the popular contemporary choice for resin but I am not sure.


Re: Modified video

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

I’ll add that the Garmin cameras have this built in as well.  Many different options on how to display it within the app probably similar to the GoPro telemetry data.

Corbin

On Jan 20, 2022, at 3:51 AM, Jon Finley <jd@...> wrote:

Thanks for the heads-up Jay - looks interesting. I suspect you already know but just in case, you can also use the free GoPro Quik to do similar. The problem with the instrumentation in Quik is that it is  limited and not particularly 'attractive' (at least IMO).  I'm currently waiting for my money tree to bloom but may give this software a shot when it does.

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4

--

Corbin 
N121CG


Re: Modified video

Jon Finley
 

Thanks for the heads-up Jay - looks interesting. I suspect you already know but just in case, you can also use the free GoPro Quik to do similar. The problem with the instrumentation in Quik is that it is  limited and not particularly 'attractive' (at least IMO).  I'm currently waiting for my money tree to bloom but may give this software a shot when it does.

Jon Finley
Somewhere in the Southwest flying an RV-4


Re: Modified video

Jay Scheevel
 

It’s called Telemetry Overlay for Windows.  They also have a version for Mac. It’s $100.

Cheers,
Jay 


On Jan 19, 2022, at 7:15 PM, Adam hied <hiedadam@...> wrote:

Jay,

What software is that?

Thanks,

Adam H

www.adamhied.com - dragonfly experimental airplane blog 

YouTube channel

On Jan 19, 2022, at 6:52 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Guys,

 

I have been experimenting with some software that I just bought which allows me to add some gauges (and a moving map) to videos with telemetry data. I added them to a video that I recorded this past weekend. Makes it more interesting…. to pilots anyway.

https://youtu.be/Hee4AEHanBA

 

Cheers,

Jay


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Michael Dunning
 

I believe there are a few examples of homebuilt hoop gear in the Dragonfly newsletters; page 7 of Issue 43 is just one example. IIRC, a latter issue even had color photos.

Dragonfly Builders and Flyers Newsletter - Issue 43


For the Long-EZ gear finishing Steve posted, Ary Glantz has a nice video of that process:
The Long-EZ Build: Chapter9 - Part 2
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Modified video

Adam hied
 

Jay,

What software is that?

Thanks,

Adam H

www.adamhied.com - dragonfly experimental airplane blog 

YouTube channel

On Jan 19, 2022, at 6:52 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Guys,

 

I have been experimenting with some software that I just bought which allows me to add some gauges (and a moving map) to videos with telemetry data. I added them to a video that I recorded this past weekend. Makes it more interesting…. to pilots anyway.

https://youtu.be/Hee4AEHanBA

 

Cheers,

Jay


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Raphael SF Zvetkoff
 

I forgot to add this.

BMS – Boeing Material Specification. BMS – Boeing Material Specification conforms to the quality assurance standards defined by Boeing suppliers. Purchasing Boeing materials are used by partners and suppliers listed under the qualified products list.
skymartsales.com


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Cringely <bob@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 9:22 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Hoop Gear Suggestions
 
I’d start by buying Pazmany’s book on landing gears, which explains everything you need to know. It’s available from Aircraft Spruce. 

Bob

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:32 AM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

These folks make a Long-EZ Main gear. Maybe a place to start by contacting them.

 

https://aerocad.com/landing-gear/84-main-landing-gear-strut.html

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 9:25 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Hoop Gear Suggestions

 

For what it is worth, the Long-Ez landing gear is made of unidirectional S-glass, from various vendors.  The builder then has to wrap the gear with several layers of "BID" fiberglass/epoxy at a 45 degree angle.   After the gear is mounted, then additional plies may be needed where the wheel axle mount to provide correct alignment for "toe-in", etc.

As for the final thickness, I would do some test layups to determine the number of layers of glass for the final dimension.   You might want to read up on "post-curing" the epoxy/glass part too.

Hope this helps.
Steve


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Raphael SF Zvetkoff
 

You can find Boeing both process specs and BMS (Boeing Material Specs) online.  You'll be able to find everything from ply thickness per ply to the different resins used for each application whether it's in an autoclave or an oven or room temp cures.



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Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 5:36 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Hoop Gear Suggestions
 
I know it is slightly off topic but I feel like the knowledge base here is also quite deep so I hope it is okay to ask.  I have been trying to have a production run of hoop gear made for the Dragonfly list but have failed.  I believe that I will have to make my own.  This leaves me with a few questions:
1. Are there any design improvements that should be included?  I am thinking of adding 2 fiberglass sleeves for the final layers to help prevent cracking.

2.  In estimating material to get to 0.75" thick, do I just use the fiberglass thickness or do I add something to allow for wetted thickness?

3. Which resin is preferred for a hoop gear application?


Modified video

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Guys,

 

I have been experimenting with some software that I just bought which allows me to add some gauges (and a moving map) to videos with telemetry data. I added them to a video that I recorded this past weekend. Makes it more interesting…. to pilots anyway.

https://youtu.be/Hee4AEHanBA

 

Cheers,

Jay


Re: Q-200 cowling for sale

Tristan Vincent-Philpot <tristanphilpot@...>
 

Yep, that’s my ad. Please feel free to contact me for more photos, measurements etc.

Make me a good offer!

VP
702-241-8360



On Jan 19, 2022, at 3:18 PM, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

Seen on the Facebook group



Q-200 cowling for sale

Sam Hoskins
 

Seen on the Facebook group


Re: Larry Koutz Quickie Information Database 1983-1994 #file-notice

Sam Hoskins
 

Michael, thanks for that.  I seem to remember Larry (R.I.P.) putting this together, what a monumental task!

It's fine where it is, but I changed the title a bit, just to clarify what it is.

Thank you!

Sam

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 5:39 PM Michael <dunningme@...> wrote:
In my ongoing attempts to archive materials provided with my build, I added a copy of Larry Koutz Quickie Information Database spanning 1983-1994 to the "Files" section of the group. The file is scanned in at 300 dpi (archival quality) and I performed optical character recognition to make the 20 pages of information searchable:

Larry Koutz Quickie Information Database 1983-1994

From the title page: "This is a compilation of information taken from various sources and shows where to find the information. It lists the type of aircraft the topic is applicable. The references are QT= Quicktalk newsletter. The first issue is Mar/Apr 1982 and continues to this day. It is edited by Jim Masal and can be obtained by writing Quickie Builders Assn. P.O. Box 540334 Dallas, Texas 75354 and is currently $20.00/yr. QBA = Quickie Builders Assn and also refers to the Quicktalk newsletter. QN =Quickie newsletter. This publication was put out by the Quickie factory and is no longer in business. The comments are to get a better idea of the topic or a distillation of the important points in the article. The last column listed as "Lar" is my page number. I put all the reference material in a book and numbered the pages from 1 to ...."

--
Sam,
Please relocate this file as you see fit; it doesn't strictly fall under the QAC promotional materials folder...
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Steve Rothert
 

FYI.
It probably won't fit, but I have a "never mounted"  Long-Ez landing gear, sitting in my basement.  I bought it as a spare, several years ago from a guy who was parting out his Long-Ez project.

Steve


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Robert Cringely
 

I’d start by buying Pazmany’s book on landing gears, which explains everything you need to know. It’s available from Aircraft Spruce. 

Bob

On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:32 AM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

These folks make a Long-EZ Main gear. Maybe a place to start by contacting them.

 

https://aerocad.com/landing-gear/84-main-landing-gear-strut.html

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Rothert via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 9:25 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Hoop Gear Suggestions

 

For what it is worth, the Long-Ez landing gear is made of unidirectional S-glass, from various vendors.  The builder then has to wrap the gear with several layers of "BID" fiberglass/epoxy at a 45 degree angle.   After the gear is mounted, then additional plies may be needed where the wheel axle mount to provide correct alignment for "toe-in", etc.

As for the final thickness, I would do some test layups to determine the number of layers of glass for the final dimension.   You might want to read up on "post-curing" the epoxy/glass part too.

Hope this helps.
Steve


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Jay Scheevel
 

These folks make a Long-EZ Main gear. Maybe a place to start by contacting them.

 

https://aerocad.com/landing-gear/84-main-landing-gear-strut.html

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Rothert via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 9:25 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Hoop Gear Suggestions

 

For what it is worth, the Long-Ez landing gear is made of unidirectional S-glass, from various vendors.  The builder then has to wrap the gear with several layers of "BID" fiberglass/epoxy at a 45 degree angle.   After the gear is mounted, then additional plies may be needed where the wheel axle mount to provide correct alignment for "toe-in", etc.

As for the final thickness, I would do some test layups to determine the number of layers of glass for the final dimension.   You might want to read up on "post-curing" the epoxy/glass part too.

Hope this helps.
Steve


Re: Hoop Gear Suggestions

Steve Rothert
 

For what it is worth, the Long-Ez landing gear is made of unidirectional S-glass, from various vendors.  The builder then has to wrap the gear with several layers of "BID" fiberglass/epoxy at a 45 degree angle.   After the gear is mounted, then additional plies may be needed where the wheel axle mount to provide correct alignment for "toe-in", etc.

As for the final thickness, I would do some test layups to determine the number of layers of glass for the final dimension.   You might want to read up on "post-curing" the epoxy/glass part too.

Hope this helps.
Steve