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Re: Frightened off?

Kerri & Mark <ksm@...>
 

I also used the pellet wrap on the Q1 from Toupo to Timaru New Zealand on a flat 5.5m 2.3m Trailer with rachet straps 9 of them.

Mark Fitzgerald
NZ


Re: Frightened off?

Kerri & Mark <ksm@...>
 

SOmeone was looking for a O 200 engine I know New Zealand is a bit out of the way but there is one less the jugs floating around ........ www.Trademe.co.nz

Mark Fitzgerald
NZ


NOT frightened off

Brian Allen <bjaphd@...>
 

I have asked several - I won't say stupid, but 'beginner' questions on this list in my quest for what plane I want to buy/build and don't think any of the responses were to belligerent or hostile.

All in all, my 'dumb' questions have been answered in a very patient and helpful manner and I thank all the list members for that. .

The only thing I can think of that would even remotely be considered less than 100% positive was when I asked a question about installing a BRS for non-pilot passenger safety. I tried to make it clear in my question that I understood the pros and cons of such an action and did not want to open a long and potentially hostile debate about the philosophy of the device, I was only interested in the technical aspects of a potential instillation. Among multiple very helpful technical responses I did receive one long and well worded e-mail suggesting that I should just teach my non-flying passenger to fly.

In the interests of peace and harmony I refrained from asking how I could protect my non-flying passengers during the first few flights it would take to teach them to fly. I also didn't think it helpful to point out that the primary passenger in question was 8 years old and thus probably more than capable of deploying a chute, but likely not capable of landing a fast flying tail-dagger aircraft. Especially given that if she had to do so she would also be dealing with the stress of the fact that her father the pilot (me) would be somehow incapacitated at the time or she wouldn't have to worry about it in the first place.

So, just my opinion but all replies have been 100 percent positive. Even the poster I wrote of above had the best of intentions and gave me what they felt was the best advise they had and I appreciated it very much even if it really didn't fit the situation well.

Brian


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Re: Frightened off? Now Dugz TriQ Move

Larry Severson
 

My case was different in that I had a trailer that grabbed the canard and rotated the fuse vertically -> after removing the nose gear. The tail went in my minivan, since the main gear blocked the normal tail mounting position. Leaving the engine installed and covering the plane with a strapped down tarp, I transported the triQ 760 miles, some of the time with X-winds of 50KTs, from Oregon to So. Cal at speeds to 65MPH. Plane arrived in excellent condition -> no additional damage. Wind did not cause any of the expected problems.

PS: My gas mileage went south by 5MPG.


Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Re: Frightened off?

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

Darrell, I have to report a exception to that statement. A few months ago I
got the repairmans certificate for my Sonerai, the FAA Inspector that I
talked to on the phone and later came out knew I was not the complete
builder as I had only fixed several items on it and completed the total
airframe ready for flight. He took one look at what I did on the Sonerai and
also looked at my Q200 and gladly signed me off for the repairmans
certificate. It is up to them and probably different all over the country.



Ron Triano

Working on Q200, Sonerai Flying

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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Darrell Daniels
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:47 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?



I think a bill of sale should do but you will not be able to sign off your
own work as you will not be the builder. Darrell

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From: "Q2@... <mailto:Q2%40cactusgrass.com> "
<q2@... <mailto:q2%40cactusgrass.com> >
To: <Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?

ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...

Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to
Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any suggestions
that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on it's road trip
to it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build a wall to the side
of the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the wall, then put supports
under the canard and main wing on both sides (the supports being the shape
of the airfoil with foam on the support). Any other suggestions to help
shield from potential damage from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?

a little more about N56DW:

Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard
Former power plant: C-85
current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs

which brings about my next questions:

does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they would be
willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match

I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for sale for a
decent price? even a core that I could build off of?

yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to have
something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting it air
worthy again.

Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there is good
way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too difficult for
me to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is time? Other than
the bill of Sale from Jim?

DUG
(Doug Tenney)
Thanks in advance for responses
Boise, ID
almost TriQ

----- Original Message ----
From: Allan Farr <afarr@... <mailto:afarr%40xtra.co.nz> >
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:17:49 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?













Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people
are afraid to ask anything in case someone jumps down their throat with
things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!" or "buy the back
issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for those who want to ask
"stupid" or repetitive questions, and the stroppy ones (& religous
fundamentalists) can stay away.

Allan Farr


















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Re: Frightened off?

Mark A. Pearson <wlkabout@...>
 

And there I was thinking I was thinking outside the box. Now that I have her "home" I do hope to get back to actually working on her this spring (though the projects list doesn't give me great hope right now) -- is there a prize for being the original owner and still not finished after 27 years?)

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Triano
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Frightened off?


Mark, I actually brought mine home the same way but on a flat bed trailer, I
had a mount bolted to the engine mounts that I used through out the
finishing. With it I was able to flip the plane upside down, topside up or
on its nose. On its nose worked good for working on the back side of the
firewall.

Ron Triano

Working on Q200, Sonerai Flying

http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10.html

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Mark A. Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:41 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Frightened off?

I just hung a red flag on the "back" wheelpant. I didn't measure to see how
far beyond the down tailgate the wings protruded -- it might have exceeded
the 4 foot limit. That's another reason a trailer might be better. I was
only moving her about 30 miles.

Mark P.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:51 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Frightened off?

Mark, you must have a longgga pickup. did you cut a hole in the cab
for the wheel pant?

Ron t

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mark A.
Pearson" <wlkabout@...> wrote:
>
> The last time I moved my Q1 project I strapped it firewall down in
the back of my pickup truck. With the tail off and blocks of foam
supporting the canard and tiedowns reaching up from the sides of the
truck to the "cut off," this worked very well (though did garner a
lot of looks). Should work in a flatbed trailer even better as it
might be lower viz. low hanging wires etc
>
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Bounds
> To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?
>
>
> Stretch wrap works great. Keep an eye on it and repair/replace it
as it works loose or starts flapping. Pad the heck out of any contact
points. And most importantly, if you bolt the firewall to anything
solid like a wall, it will not be attached to the airframe when you
get home. Do NOT bolt that firewall to anything or you'll bust it.
(just trying to save you some heartache) I know, I've hauled three
plastic planes.
> Bounds
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Q2@...
> To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?
>
> ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...
>
> Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to
Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any
suggestions that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on
it's road trip to it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build
a wall to the side of the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the
wall, then put supports under the canard and main wing on both sides
(the supports being the shape of the airfoil with foam on the
support). Any other suggestions to help shield from potential damage
from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?
>
> a little more about N56DW:
>
> Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard
> Former power plant: C-85
> current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs
>
> which brings about my next questions:
>
> does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they
would be willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match
>
> I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for
sale for a decent price? even a core that I could build off of?
>
> yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to
have something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting
it air worthy again.
>
> Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there
is good way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too
difficult for me to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is
time? Other than the bill of Sale from Jim?
>
> DUG
> (Doug Tenney)
> Thanks in advance for responses
> Boise, ID
> almost TriQ
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Allan Farr <afarr@...>
> To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:17:49 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?
>
> Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people
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with things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!"
or "buy the back issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for
those who want to ask "stupid" or repetitive questions, and the
stroppy ones (& religous fundamentalists) can stay away.
>
> Allan Farr
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Re: Frightened off?

Darrell Daniels <log@...>
 

I think a bill of sale should do but you will not be able to sign off your own work as you will not be the builder. Darrell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Q2@..." <q2@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?


ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...

Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any suggestions that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on it's road trip to it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build a wall to the side of the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the wall, then put supports under the canard and main wing on both sides (the supports being the shape of the airfoil with foam on the support). Any other suggestions to help shield from potential damage from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?

a little more about N56DW:

Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard
Former power plant: C-85
current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs

which brings about my next questions:

does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they would be willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match

I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for sale for a decent price? even a core that I could build off of?

yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to have something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting it air worthy again.

Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there is good way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too difficult for me to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is time? Other than the bill of Sale from Jim?

DUG
(Doug Tenney)
Thanks in advance for responses
Boise, ID
almost TriQ

----- Original Message ----
From: Allan Farr <afarr@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:17:49 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?













Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people are afraid to ask anything in case someone jumps down their throat with things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!" or "buy the back issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for those who want to ask "stupid" or repetitive questions, and the stroppy ones (& religous fundamentalists) can stay away.

Allan Farr

















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Re: Frightened off?

Ron Triano <rondefly@...>
 

Mark, I actually brought mine home the same way but on a flat bed trailer, I
had a mount bolted to the engine mounts that I used through out the
finishing. With it I was able to flip the plane upside down, topside up or
on its nose. On its nose worked good for working on the back side of the
firewall.



Ron Triano

Working on Q200, Sonerai Flying

http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10.html



From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Mark A. Pearson
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:41 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Frightened off?



I just hung a red flag on the "back" wheelpant. I didn't measure to see how
far beyond the down tailgate the wings protruded -- it might have exceeded
the 4 foot limit. That's another reason a trailer might be better. I was
only moving her about 30 miles.

Mark P.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:51 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Frightened off?

Mark, you must have a longgga pickup. did you cut a hole in the cab
for the wheel pant?

Ron t

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "Mark A.
Pearson" <wlkabout@...> wrote:

The last time I moved my Q1 project I strapped it firewall down in
the back of my pickup truck. With the tail off and blocks of foam
supporting the canard and tiedowns reaching up from the sides of the
truck to the "cut off," this worked very well (though did garner a
lot of looks). Should work in a flatbed trailer even better as it
might be lower viz. low hanging wires etc

.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Bounds
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?


Stretch wrap works great. Keep an eye on it and repair/replace it
as it works loose or starts flapping. Pad the heck out of any contact
points. And most importantly, if you bolt the firewall to anything
solid like a wall, it will not be attached to the airframe when you
get home. Do NOT bolt that firewall to anything or you'll bust it.
(just trying to save you some heartache) I know, I've hauled three
plastic planes.
Bounds
----- Original Message -----
From: Q2@...
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?

ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...

Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to
Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any
suggestions that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on
it's road trip to it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build
a wall to the side of the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the
wall, then put supports under the canard and main wing on both sides
(the supports being the shape of the airfoil with foam on the
support). Any other suggestions to help shield from potential damage
from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?

a little more about N56DW:

Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard
Former power plant: C-85
current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs

which brings about my next questions:

does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they
would be willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match

I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for
sale for a decent price? even a core that I could build off of?

yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to
have something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting
it air worthy again.

Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there
is good way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too
difficult for me to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is
time? Other than the bill of Sale from Jim?

DUG
(Doug Tenney)
Thanks in advance for responses
Boise, ID
almost TriQ

----- Original Message ----
From: Allan Farr <afarr@...>
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:17:49 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?

Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people
are afraid to ask anything in case someone jumps down their throat
with things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!"
or "buy the back issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for
those who want to ask "stupid" or repetitive questions, and the
stroppy ones (& religous fundamentalists) can stay away.

Allan Farr



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Re: Frightened off?

Mark A. Pearson <wlkabout@...>
 

I just hung a red flag on the "back" wheelpant. I didn't measure to see how far beyond the down tailgate the wings protruded -- it might have exceeded the 4 foot limit. That's another reason a trailer might be better. I was only moving her about 30 miles.

Mark P.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ron
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:51 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Frightened off?


Mark, you must have a longgga pickup. did you cut a hole in the cab
for the wheel pant?

Ron t

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Mark A. Pearson" <wlkabout@...> wrote:
>
> The last time I moved my Q1 project I strapped it firewall down in
the back of my pickup truck. With the tail off and blocks of foam
supporting the canard and tiedowns reaching up from the sides of the
truck to the "cut off," this worked very well (though did garner a
lot of looks). Should work in a flatbed trailer even better as it
might be lower viz. low hanging wires etc
>
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Bounds
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?
>
>
> Stretch wrap works great. Keep an eye on it and repair/replace it
as it works loose or starts flapping. Pad the heck out of any contact
points. And most importantly, if you bolt the firewall to anything
solid like a wall, it will not be attached to the airframe when you
get home. Do NOT bolt that firewall to anything or you'll bust it.
(just trying to save you some heartache) I know, I've hauled three
plastic planes.
> Bounds
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Q2@...
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?
>
> ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...
>
> Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to
Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any
suggestions that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on
it's road trip to it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build
a wall to the side of the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the
wall, then put supports under the canard and main wing on both sides
(the supports being the shape of the airfoil with foam on the
support). Any other suggestions to help shield from potential damage
from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?
>
> a little more about N56DW:
>
> Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard
> Former power plant: C-85
> current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs
>
> which brings about my next questions:
>
> does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they
would be willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match
>
> I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for
sale for a decent price? even a core that I could build off of?
>
> yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to
have something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting
it air worthy again.
>
> Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there
is good way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too
difficult for me to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is
time? Other than the bill of Sale from Jim?
>
> DUG
> (Doug Tenney)
> Thanks in advance for responses
> Boise, ID
> almost TriQ
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Allan Farr <afarr@...>
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:17:49 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?
>
> Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people
are afraid to ask anything in case someone jumps down their throat
with things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!"
or "buy the back issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for
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stroppy ones (& religous fundamentalists) can stay away.
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> Allan Farr
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Re: Frightened off?

Ron <rondefly@...>
 

Mark, you must have a longgga pickup. did you cut a hole in the cab
for the wheel pant?

Ron t

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Mark A. Pearson" <wlkabout@...> wrote:

The last time I moved my Q1 project I strapped it firewall down in
the back of my pickup truck. With the tail off and blocks of foam
supporting the canard and tiedowns reaching up from the sides of the
truck to the "cut off," this worked very well (though did garner a
lot of looks). Should work in a flatbed trailer even better as it
might be lower viz. low hanging wires etc

.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Bounds
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?


Stretch wrap works great. Keep an eye on it and repair/replace it
as it works loose or starts flapping. Pad the heck out of any contact
points. And most importantly, if you bolt the firewall to anything
solid like a wall, it will not be attached to the airframe when you
get home. Do NOT bolt that firewall to anything or you'll bust it.
(just trying to save you some heartache) I know, I've hauled three
plastic planes.
Bounds
----- Original Message -----
From: Q2@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?

ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...

Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to
Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any
suggestions that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on
it's road trip to it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build
a wall to the side of the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the
wall, then put supports under the canard and main wing on both sides
(the supports being the shape of the airfoil with foam on the
support). Any other suggestions to help shield from potential damage
from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?

a little more about N56DW:

Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard
Former power plant: C-85
current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs

which brings about my next questions:

does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they
would be willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match

I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for
sale for a decent price? even a core that I could build off of?

yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to
have something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting
it air worthy again.

Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there
is good way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too
difficult for me to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is
time? Other than the bill of Sale from Jim?

DUG
(Doug Tenney)
Thanks in advance for responses
Boise, ID
almost TriQ

----- Original Message ----
From: Allan Farr <afarr@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:17:49 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?

Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people
are afraid to ask anything in case someone jumps down their throat
with things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!"
or "buy the back issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for
those who want to ask "stupid" or repetitive questions, and the
stroppy ones (& religous fundamentalists) can stay away.

Allan Farr

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Shrink Wrap

Ron <rondefly@...>
 

Dug, Shrink wrap is good but be sure you put shipping blankets or some
kind of padding for things that may pop up from the road, like rocks,
open trailer is also good.
Ron Triano
working on Q and Sonerai flying.


Re: Frightened off?

Mark A. Pearson <wlkabout@...>
 

The last time I moved my Q1 project I strapped it firewall down in the back of my pickup truck. With the tail off and blocks of foam supporting the canard and tiedowns reaching up from the sides of the truck to the "cut off," this worked very well (though did garner a lot of looks). Should work in a flatbed trailer even better as it might be lower viz. low hanging wires etc

.

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Bounds
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?


Stretch wrap works great. Keep an eye on it and repair/replace it as it works loose or starts flapping. Pad the heck out of any contact points. And most importantly, if you bolt the firewall to anything solid like a wall, it will not be attached to the airframe when you get home. Do NOT bolt that firewall to anything or you'll bust it. (just trying to save you some heartache) I know, I've hauled three plastic planes.
Bounds
----- Original Message -----
From: Q2@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?

ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...

Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any suggestions that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on it's road trip to it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build a wall to the side of the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the wall, then put supports under the canard and main wing on both sides (the supports being the shape of the airfoil with foam on the support). Any other suggestions to help shield from potential damage from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?

a little more about N56DW:

Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard
Former power plant: C-85
current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs

which brings about my next questions:

does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they would be willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match

I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for sale for a decent price? even a core that I could build off of?

yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to have something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting it air worthy again.

Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there is good way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too difficult for me to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is time? Other than the bill of Sale from Jim?

DUG
(Doug Tenney)
Thanks in advance for responses
Boise, ID
almost TriQ

----- Original Message ----
From: Allan Farr <afarr@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:17:49 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?

Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people are afraid to ask anything in case someone jumps down their throat with things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!" or "buy the back issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for those who want to ask "stupid" or repetitive questions, and the stroppy ones (& religous fundamentalists) can stay away.

Allan Farr



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Re: [SPAM]Re: Frightened off?

Jon Finley <jon@...>
 

Yeah, I echo that. A solid mount like that would not do the structure any
good at all.

Mine is NOT a Tri-Q but on my last trip, with the engine off, I strapped it
down by the axles and let the canard flex as it wished. I think that was a
lot easier on it than trying to support it via surfaces that were not
designed for such a load (i.e. bottom of the canard). Yes, it bounced
around some but far less than it does during most of my "landings".

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Robert Bounds
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:55 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [SPAM]Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?


Stretch wrap works great. Keep an eye on it and repair/replace it as it
works loose or starts flapping. Pad the heck out of any contact points.
And most importantly, if you bolt the firewall to anything solid like a
wall, it will not be attached to the airframe when you get home. Do NOT
bolt that firewall to anything or you'll bust it. (just trying to save you
some heartache) I know, I've hauled three plastic planes.
Bounds
----- Original Message -----
From: Q2@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?


ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...

Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to
Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any suggestions
that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on it's road trip to
it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build a wall to the side of
the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the wall, then put supports under
the canard and main wing on both sides (the supports being the shape of the
airfoil with foam on the support). Any other suggestions to help shield from
potential damage from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?

a little more about N56DW:

Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard
Former power plant: C-85
current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs

which brings about my next questions:

does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they would be
willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match

I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for sale for a
decent price? even a core that I could build off of?

yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to have
something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting it air worthy
again.

Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there is good
way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too difficult for me
to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is time? Other than the
bill of Sale from Jim?

DUG
(Doug Tenney)
Thanks in advance for responses
Boise, ID
almost TriQ


Re: Frightened off?

Robert Bounds
 

Stretch wrap works great. Keep an eye on it and repair/replace it as it works loose or starts flapping. Pad the heck out of any contact points. And most importantly, if you bolt the firewall to anything solid like a wall, it will not be attached to the airframe when you get home. Do NOT bolt that firewall to anything or you'll bust it. (just trying to save you some heartache) I know, I've hauled three plastic planes.
Bounds

----- Original Message -----
From: Q2@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?


ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...

Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any suggestions that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on it's road trip to it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build a wall to the side of the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the wall, then put supports under the canard and main wing on both sides (the supports being the shape of the airfoil with foam on the support). Any other suggestions to help shield from potential damage from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?

a little more about N56DW:

Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard
Former power plant: C-85
current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs

which brings about my next questions:

does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they would be willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match

I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for sale for a decent price? even a core that I could build off of?

yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to have something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting it air worthy again.

Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there is good way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too difficult for me to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is time? Other than the bill of Sale from Jim?

DUG
(Doug Tenney)
Thanks in advance for responses
Boise, ID
almost TriQ

----- Original Message ----
From: Allan Farr <afarr@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:17:49 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?

Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people are afraid to ask anything in case someone jumps down their throat with things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!" or "buy the back issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for those who want to ask "stupid" or repetitive questions, and the stroppy ones (& religous fundamentalists) can stay away.

Allan Farr



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Re: Frightened off?

Allan Farr <afarr@...>
 

touché
AF

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Humble
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:09
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?


I think every one has been reading the back issues and therefore have no questions.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Farr
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?

Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people are afraid to ask anything in case someone jumps down their throat with things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!" or "buy the back issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for those who want to ask "stupid" or repetitive questions, and the stroppy ones (& religous fundamentalists) can stay away.
Allan Farr



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Re: Frightened off?

Allan Farr <afarr@...>
 

Good to know you are all still there. Nothing like a bit of "tongue in cheek" controversy to elicit a response. It's hot here, great for lay-ups.
Allan Farr
Q2

----- Original Message -----
From: jcrain2@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:26
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?


Still here Allen.
Probably not much going on right now as winter time makes it hard to
get out to the hanger and "freeze your buns". I have been making
progress with an oil seep (see oil sump), replacing the electric motor
in my MT prop, changing antennas around, tightening aileron pivots, oil
change, compression check, shielding, and other annual inspections.
Should be ready in a month or so!

I looked up "stroppy" in the Thesaurus and couldn't find it but haven't
given up yet. Easy, some day you may need a "religious
fundamentalist". They are getting harder to come by.

Bruce Crain
N96BJ
"Q with a training wheel up front"

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Re: Frightened off? Now Dugz TriQ Move

Doug Tenney
 

yeah, 1600 miles, so I am getting closer and closer to wanting to shrink wrap that baby...

DUG
Boise, ID
www.cactusgrass.com/N56DW

----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Hole <rickhole@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:30:54 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Frightened off? Now Dugz TriQ Move

















I see airplanes on trailers fairly often where I work at Velocity.

Usually we see them strapped down with more straps than you'd think

(better safe than...) with the windows well covered. Using a cling-wrap

is a good idea to keep water out and keep the window covers on. I think

wrap from the rear of the trailer forward. Anything you can do to keep

rain or sludge away is good. Just think what a stray stone thrown at

your plane could do. Same as it will to your car windshield.



When you are all secured, go around, wiggle and jiggle things. See if

you can get anything to loosen up. Then stop after a few miles and

inspect the load. Stop every half hour and adjust the straps until no

further adjustment is needed. Then check them every gas stop.



All this assuming you are going to travel some distance. If it is a

local move, some of this is excessive.














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Re: Frightened off? Now Dugz TriQ Move

Richard Hole <rickhole@...>
 

I see airplanes on trailers fairly often where I work at Velocity.
Usually we see them strapped down with more straps than you'd think
(better safe than...) with the windows well covered. Using a cling-wrap
is a good idea to keep water out and keep the window covers on. I think
wrap from the rear of the trailer forward. Anything you can do to keep
rain or sludge away is good. Just think what a stray stone thrown at
your plane could do. Same as it will to your car windshield.

When you are all secured, go around, wiggle and jiggle things. See if
you can get anything to loosen up. Then stop after a few miles and
inspect the load. Stop every half hour and adjust the straps until no
further adjustment is needed. Then check them every gas stop.

All this assuming you are going to travel some distance. If it is a
local move, some of this is excessive.


Re: Frightened off? Now Dugz TriQ Move

Doug Tenney
 

trailer is not a box trailer...flatbed...still debating on building a box around the front after we get the plane on...

DUG

----- Original Message ----
From: Steve <sham@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:55:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?













Dug,



Open trailer....ice, snow,hail. slush.road salt....ect. ..



Steve Ham



PS Make sure your box trailer is wide enough....



----- Original Message -----

From: DUG

To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:37 PM

Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?



any specific reason why you wrapped the whole thing in shrink wrap? it is going to be the only thing on the trailer... I have not had that much luck with shrinkwrap in the past is why I ask...



DUG



----- Original Message ----

From: Steve <sham@.... com>

To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:05:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?



Doug,



I bought an airframe in Denver several years ago and transported it to Indy. This was on an open trailer and in a snowstorm. I shrinkwrapped the entire plane and used tie-down straps. Averaged 65 mph with no problems. Hope this helps.



Steve Ham



----- Original Message -----



From: Q2@cactusgrass. com



To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. com



Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:58 PM



Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?



ok, I'll bite and ask some questions...



Next week I will be driving 3200 miles round trip (Boise, ID to Springfield, IL) to pick up N56DW airframe from Jim Doyle. Any suggestions that will help the loading and transport of this Tri-Q on it's road trip to it's new home? As of right now the plan is to build a wall to the side of the trailer and bolt the firewall on to the wall, then put supports under the canard and main wing on both sides (the supports being the shape of the airfoil with foam on the support). Any other suggestions to help shield from potential damage from 1600+ miles of 75mph x-winds?



a little more about N56DW:



Tri-Q with the LS1 Canard



Former power plant: C-85



current avionics: the only thing in the panel is cobwebs



which brings about my next questions:



does anyone out there have any 'gently' used avionics that they would be willing to part with? I need the whole shooting match



I am looking to put an 0-200 in mine...any one know of one for sale for a decent price? even a core that I could build off of?



yeah, I am a rookie and can admit it, but it is going to rock to have something holding my garage floor down while I work at getting it air worthy again.



Also, Jim is selling it to me as scrap, does anyone know if there is good way for him to do that in such a way as to not make it too difficult for me to work toward me getting the new aircert when it is time? Other than the bill of Sale from Jim?



DUG



(Doug Tenney)



Thanks in advance for responses



Boise, ID



almost TriQ



----- Original Message ----



From: Allan Farr <afarr@.... nz>



To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. com



Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:17:49 PM



Subject: [Q-LIST] Frightened off?



Not much being said on the Q-list these days. I suspect people are afraid to ask anything in case someone jumps down their throat with things like - "this subject has already been dealt with!" or "buy the back issues". Maybe there should be a separate list for those who want to ask "stupid" or repetitive questions, and the stroppy ones (& religous fundamentalists) can stay away.



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Re: Frightened off?

Bruce Crain
 

Oops I hope we didn't offend the "Brits" by misquoting stroppy! They
are great allies!
When are you coming to see us again Paul? We miss you.
Hope everything is going well! Still building house or TriQ?
Bruce and Joanne

strop∑py (strp)
adj. strop∑pi∑er, strop∑pi∑est Chiefly British
Easily offended or annoyed; ill-tempered or belligerent.

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[Perhaps alteration of obstreperous.]






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