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Nose gear weight
David Chalmers <David@...>
Someone wanted to know the difference in weight between old and new nose
gear. I just found my W&B info which shows that old gear weighed 13lbs at 9" forward of firewall, new gear weighed 17lbs at 3" forward of firewall - that would include the wheel. Dave Chalmers TriQ200 N4016G 250hrs Redmond WA
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Re: Spring Fly In
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
OOps. My Bad..
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Will there be anyone going to the May 18-19-20, Iowa City, Q flyin with a Q200 (Q2 + O200 + conventional gear) with dual controls? I would like to get some dual experience. Joseph Snow CorvairQ2xx N240JS Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote: Joseph, You have the wrong dates. It is time to announce this years spring fly in. When: May 18-19-20 Where: Iowa City, Iowa Why: FUN Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 48.6 hours Luana, IA.
On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Joseph M Snow wrote:
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Re: Spring Fly In
Why not come out to the Mountain States Fly-in. There will be plenty of Qs
and Ds there. A cheap plane ticket to Las Vegas and a 20 mile trip gets you to Jean, Nevada for the April 27, 28, 29 event and it includes an alternative engine forum. I am not too sure about any dual control birds out this way, but Las Vegas is all about "Gettin' Lucky". Phil ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Re: Spring Fly In
Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
Joseph,
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You have the wrong dates. It is time to announce this years spring fly in. When: May 18-19-20 Where: Iowa City, Iowa Why: FUN Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 48.6 hours Luana, IA.
On Apr 5, 2007, at 1:30 PM, Joseph M Snow wrote:
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triQ W&B
Larry Severson
Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@...
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Re: Spring Fly In
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Will there be anyone going to the April, Iowa City, Q flyin with a Q200 (Q2 + O200 + conventional gear) with dual controls? I would like to get some dual experience.
Joseph Snow CorvairQ2xx N240JS
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"Understanding Hand Tools" - off topic
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Note: forwarded message attached.
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Re: Amsoil Racer+
Jim M,
For a little more historical perspective, I had just flown with Tom in the yellow factory Q2 in Mojave a couple of weeks before his crash. Tom was very excited about "Big Bird" but many of us had concerns for his safety at the time. As you will recall, it was a very sad day when we all heard the news! Jim P. Q200 N46JP --- In Q-LIST@..., JMasal@... wrote: should take a look at the Amsoil Racer.should take a look at Burt Rutan's curriculum vitae compared to their ownbefore starting. hubris floating around the QAC/RAF ramp at Mojave. The Q2/200 designstarted with a Canadian plumbing contractor who completed an early Q1. QAC gotrights to US kit sales. Rutan got ticked off about it (I have my ideas why) butthought better of it and backed away, Cordial relations were strained. Rutan starteddesign work on a round-the-world flight. Curiously, Tom Jewett didlikewise. The Jewett craft called BIG BIRD was nothing like a Q. It was aconventional design with Schweitzer sailplane wings (I think all wet wings) and aconventional T-tail. He planned to beat Burt to the punch. Hubris. On a testflight, the BB crashed killing Jewett. I remember Dick Rutan telling that he wasout jogging at the time and saw the event happen. He believed he saw thecause. And then a totally original and purpose-built design won out over a cobbledtogether airframe.http://www.aol.com.
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Re: Amsoil Racer+
JMasal@...
In a message dated 4/3/2007 10:26:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
sham@... writes: To those who question the use of higher HP engines on the Q-1 should take a look at the Amsoil Racer. Interesting... and I might add: To those intending to safely USE higher HP engines on the Q-1 should take a look at Burt Rutan's curriculum vitae compared to their own before starting. Historical note: In the beginning... there was a great deal of hubris floating around the QAC/RAF ramp at Mojave. The Q2/200 design started with a Canadian plumbing contractor who completed an early Q1. QAC got rights to US kit sales. Rutan got ticked off about it (I have my ideas why) but thought better of it and backed away, Cordial relations were strained. Rutan started design work on a round-the-world flight. Curiously, Tom Jewett did likewise. The Jewett craft called BIG BIRD was nothing like a Q. It was a conventional design with Schweitzer sailplane wings (I think all wet wings) and a conventional T-tail. He planned to beat Burt to the punch. Hubris. On a test flight, the BB crashed killing Jewett. I remember Dick Rutan telling that he was out jogging at the time and saw the event happen. He believed he saw the cause. And then a totally original and purpose-built design won out over a cobbled together airframe. Insert your moral of the story here:________________________________________________________ j. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Re: Rutan Model 68 Amsoil Racer
RICHARD GLIMES
Hi Dave; I wonder what happened to the set of plans and the rights to build two Rutan Model 68 aircraft Dan Mortensen paid Rutan 6600 dollars for in 1979. Only one was build,meaning ownership of those plans one could build an updated model 68. Also a lot of answers to upgrading the HP on the Quickie and answers to the T-tail question. An upgraded Quickie would make an interesting airplane. Instead of an IO-320,a IO-240 putting the Model 68 in the 180-200 MPH range would be
like a Quickie on Steroids. Best Regards,Richard Glimes QuickieFlying <quickieflying@...> wrote: I've actually talked to Dan Mortensen several times over the years (last time being around 1996) and talked about the racer. Once on a flight back to Mohave from the east after talking to Burt on the phone, Dan asked what the VNE was and Burt said "well I don't really know" so Dan ran it down hill on the way back over Arizona and took it to 280 mph IAS something like 320 TAS, and told Burt about it,, Burt replied "well that's VNE then". The plane was a bit over built and the 0-320 put out more than the 160 HP it was suppose to put out. The tail was on the plane to meet the class rules, but did add a bit of stability. Last I knew Dan was flying freight in the Midwest. I don't know what the MGM hotel did with the racer, but tried to find out from the designer that was remodeling it a few years back while I was in Vegas. David Hiatt N3223X Q-200 Rutan Model 68 was in concept 1979 using the design of the Rutan model 54 Quickie sports biplane as a design aid. Model 68 Amsoil Racer had a canard,main wing like the Quickie. It also had an additional horizontal flight surface in the form of a T-tail . 22 ft. lenght,22 ft. wing span ,takeoff weight of 1126 pounds,IO-320 engine with a top speed of 236MPH. It had nothing to do with the Q-2,or Q-200 both of which were not Rutan aircraft designs to my knowlege. For more information www.en.wipedia.org/wiki AMSOIL_RACER for complete Amsoil Racer history.
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Re: Rutan Model 68 Amsoil Racer
RICHARD GLIMES
Hi Dave: Since Dan Mortensen purchased $6,600 a set of plans and the rights to build two Rutan model 68 aircraft and only built one. The second aircraft is yet to be built. I wonder where those plans are today???? It would be very interesting to see what an updated model 68 aircraft would be like today. Also the T-tail and the use of higher HP on the Rutan model 54 (Quickie Q-1) might find some answers. There is a Carbon Fiber,Q-1 with a light weight 75HP engine being built by an engineer that will answer those questions.
QuickieFlying <quickieflying@...> wrote: I've actually talked to Dan Mortensen several times over the years (last time being around 1996) and talked about the racer. Once on a flight back to Mohave from the east after talking to Burt on the phone, Dan asked what the VNE was and Burt said "well I don't really know" so Dan ran it down hill on the way back over Arizona and took it to 280 mph IAS something like 320 TAS, and told Burt about it,, Burt replied "well that's VNE then". The plane was a bit over built and the 0-320 put out more than the 160 HP it was suppose to put out. The tail was on the plane to meet the class rules, but did add a bit of stability. Last I knew Dan was flying freight in the Midwest. I don't know what the MGM hotel did with the racer, but tried to find out from the designer that was remodeling it a few years back while I was in Vegas. David Hiatt N3223X Q-200 Rutan Model 68 was in concept 1979 using the design of the Rutan model 54 Quickie sports biplane as a design aid. Model 68 Amsoil Racer had a canard,main wing like the Quickie. It also had an additional horizontal flight surface in the form of a T-tail . 22 ft. lenght,22 ft. wing span ,takeoff weight of 1126 pounds,IO-320 engine with a top speed of 236MPH. It had nothing to do with the Q-2,or Q-200 both of which were not Rutan aircraft designs to my knowlege. For more information www.en.wipedia.org/wiki AMSOIL_RACER for complete Amsoil Racer history.
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Re: Rutan Model 68 Amsoil Racer
Brian Bulaw <BrianBulaw@...>
Last time I saw the Amsoil Racer it was hanging in the lobby of the Hilton
hotel in Reno. Brian Bulaw N24H _____ Snip~ Last I knew Dan was flying freight in the Midwest. I don't know what the MGM hotel did with the racer, but tried to find out from the designer that was remodeling it a few years back while I was in Vegas. David Hiatt N3223X Q-200 ~Snip
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Re: Rutan Model 68 Amsoil Racer
MartinErni@...
In a message dated 4/4/2007 2:50:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lansair@... writes: There is a Carbon Fiber,Q-1 with a light weight 75HP engine being built by an engineer WHO? Earnest ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Terra com radio faceplate
Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
Would anyone happen to have a Terra 720 com faceplate lying around that they want to part with. I'm looking for one for my radio.
Thanks Rene Q2 C-FBWV --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail --------------------------------- Get news delivered. Enjoy RSS feeds right on your Mail page.
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Rutan Model 68 Amsoil Racer
QuickieFlying <quickieflying@...>
I've actually talked to Dan Mortensen several times over the years (last time being around 1996) and
talked about the racer. Once on a flight back to Mohave from the east after talking to Burt on the phone, Dan asked what the VNE was and Burt said "well I don't really know" so Dan ran it down hill on the way back over Arizona and took it to 280 mph IAS something like 320 TAS, and told Burt about it,, Burt replied "well that's VNE then". The plane was a bit over built and the 0-320 put out more than the 160 HP it was suppose to put out. The tail was on the plane to meet the class rules, but did add a bit of stability. Last I knew Dan was flying freight in the Midwest. I don't know what the MGM hotel did with the racer, but tried to find out from the designer that was remodeling it a few years back while I was in Vegas. David Hiatt N3223X Q-200 Rutan Model 68 was in concept 1979 using the design of the Rutan model 54 Quickie sports biplane as a design aid. Model 68 Amsoil Racer had a canard,main wing like the Quickie. It also had an additional horizontal flight surface in the form of a T-tail . 22 ft. lenght,22 ft. wing span ,takeoff weight of 1126 pounds,IO-320 engine with a top speed of 236MPH. It had nothing to do with the Q-2,or Q-200 both of which were not Rutan aircraft designs to my knowlege. For more information www.en.wipedia.org/wiki AMSOIL_RACER for complete Amsoil Racer history.
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Rutan Model 68 Amsoil Racer
RICHARD GLIMES
Rutan Model 68 was in concept 1979 using the design of the Rutan model 54 Quickie sports biplane as a design aid. Model 68 Amsoil Racer had a canard,main wing like the Quickie. It also had an additional horizontal flight surface in the form of a T-tail . 22 ft. lenght,22 ft. wing span ,takeoff weight of 1126 pounds,IO-320 engine with a top speed of 236MPH. It had nothing to do with the Q-2,or Q-200 both of which were not Rutan aircraft designs to my knowlege.
For more information www.en.wipedia.org/wiki AMSOIL_RACER for complete Amsoil Racer history.
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Re: Amsoil Racer
Katherine O'Grady <ogrady@...>
Quickie, yes, look alike, no. Only one wing.
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http://www.quickheads.com/danyager/index.php?/categories/2-QAC-History Tom O'Grady
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From: Steve <sham@...> Date: Tuesday, April 3, 2007 7:36 pm Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Amsoil Racer To: Q-LIST@... I stand corrected...it was Free Enterprise AKA Big Bird that Tom
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Re: Amsoil Racer
RICHARD GLIMES
Thank you Jason: I was pulling my facts from memory which gets foggy at 76,the other fact I remember was ,Rutan designed the cockpit to sustain a high speed crash. The fuselage and the landing gear are like the Quickie. To my knowledge no Q-1 fuselage ever destructed in a crash landing,only Cunard's and wings.
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Jason Kramb <krambjas@...> wrote: The Amsoil Racer was a unique design, though similar to the Q1 and Q2. Rutan designed it specifically for Dan Mortensen. Its raced in the '81-'83 Reno Air Races, and crashed in the the '83 race after passing through the wake of another aircraft. The pilot, Dan Mortensen, suffered only minor injuries. Stories have it that he climbed out of the wreckage, threw his helmet at the plane in disgust, and hit his shin on the engine, sustaining his only injury. Tom Jewett had nothing to do with the Amsoil Racer. Jason Kramb
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From: "Steve" <sham@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Amsoil Racer I believe the Amsoil racer was a Q-2 (not Q1) design and Tom Jewett
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Re: Amsoil Racer
Steve <sham@...>
I stand corrected...it was Free Enterprise AKA Big Bird that Tom Jewett was going to attempt a round the world record. That was also a Q2 look alike. Guess I should'nt stay up so late (clouds the memory).
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Steve Ham
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From: Jason Kramb To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Amsoil Racer The Amsoil Racer was a unique design, though similar to the Q1 and Q2. Rutan designed it specifically for Dan Mortensen. Its raced in the '81-'83 Reno Air Races, and crashed in the the '83 race after passing through the wake of another aircraft. The pilot, Dan Mortensen, suffered only minor injuries. Stories have it that he climbed out of the wreckage, threw his helmet at the plane in disgust, and hit his shin on the engine, sustaining his only injury. Tom Jewett had nothing to do with the Amsoil Racer. Jason Kramb ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <sham@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Amsoil Racer >I believe the Amsoil racer was a Q-2 (not Q1) design and Tom Jewett >(Partner in QAC Company) did not walk away. It vecame his last flight. One >of the test planes did crash as you mention and the pilot did walk away. > > Steve Ham > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RICHARD GLIMES > To: Q-LIST@... > Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:12 PM > Subject: [Q-LIST] Amsoil Racer > > > The Amsoil Racer a Q-1 look alike with a IO-320 engine crashed at Reno,NV > several years ago hitting the ground at over 200 MPH,the pilot pulled the > wreckage off him and walked away under his own power without help. The > cockpit was designed to with stand a high G crash without breaking up. > Rutan designed the Amsoil Racer to fly at the Reno Air Races. To those who > question the use of higher HP engines on the Q-1 should take a look at the > Amsoil Racer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site > http://www.quickiebuilders.org > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
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Re: Amsoil Racer
Jason Kramb
The Amsoil Racer was a unique design, though similar to the Q1 and Q2. Rutan designed it specifically for Dan Mortensen. Its raced in the '81-'83 Reno Air Races, and crashed in the the '83 race after passing through the wake of another aircraft. The pilot, Dan Mortensen, suffered only minor injuries. Stories have it that he climbed out of the wreckage, threw his helmet at the plane in disgust, and hit his shin on the engine, sustaining his only injury.
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Tom Jewett had nothing to do with the Amsoil Racer. Jason Kramb
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From: "Steve" <sham@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Amsoil Racer I believe the Amsoil racer was a Q-2 (not Q1) design and Tom Jewett (Partner in QAC Company) did not walk away. It vecame his last flight. One of the test planes did crash as you mention and the pilot did walk away.
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