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Re: 17th Annual Field of Dreams Tandem Wing Fly-in -- Emporia, KS Se...

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Terry, you are such a gambling man!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: Q1terryMDT@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] 17th Annual Field of Dreams Tandem Wing Fly-in -- Emporia, KS Se...



Great news Spud,

I'll wager we'll even have less wind than last year.

Terry Crouch

Quickie N14TC


Hello Gang,

Spud Spornitz here in Olathe, Kansas.

It again is my great pleasure to be your host for this year's "17th
Annual Field of Dreams Tandem Wing Fly-in". This year the event will be
held at Emporia, Kansas on September 21st, 22nd & 23rd 2007.

The event is just under six months away (177 days), and I thought it was
important that we get the dates and location set so everyone can mark
their calendars and make plans.

Emporia, Kansas is 100 southwest of Kansas City on Interstate 35. The
have a 5000 ft. north-south hard surface runway and 3900ft east-west
grass runway. 100 LL and mogas are available on a 24 hour basis along
with Jet A for those arriving in their King Air or Citation (Grin!!).
There is an over abundance of room for our workshops, forums, camping
and lots of room for the girls. You can find additional information on
Emporia at: _http://www.airnav.http://www.ahttp_
(http://www.airnav.com/airport/KEMP)

Over the next 30+ days we'll be bringing more details on the overall
event activities. One of the main changes this year so far is that
Friday is going to be a full day. I hope to make this day a "hands-on"
workshop/casual forum day and we'll have only one or two forums during
the day on Saturday. The topics, workshops or forums will be driven by
your suggestions and ideas. Also Thursday evening we have a BBQ at the
airport for those early birds.

So please mark those calendars and please plan to join for this very
special event.

We'll keep you informed in the discussion groups and the newsletters.

More later,

Spud Spornitz
Olathe, KS
(913) 764-5118
_spudspornitz@spudspornit_ (mailto:spudspornitz@...)

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


Re: Q List

Sam Hoskins
 

No need to take it off-line. Just join the right group. Here is where you
find about the various relevant Q groups:
http://quickiebuilders.org/QBA05/qba_009.htm

On 4/1/07, drcastrojc <drcastrojc@...> wrote:

I agree with you Eric
But anyway, I just made my post thinking someone could be interested.
I also believe that as much are the subjects discussed, more people
interested can take advantage of the discussion, and when I read any post
that interesting to me, I just delete it.
But since the group's moderators understand is better mantaining these
discussions out of the forum, I will just stop contributing with these
"weird" ideas, like Q4s , turboprop Qs, or anything that does not fit in the
"Qs envelope's and standard rules".
If anyone wants to drop his thoughts about the design, please send it
direct to me offlist, and all comments will be very welcome.
Also, sometimes the list is too quiet and out comments could spice it!
Aloha
Castro

I'm new to this list and don't know its history but to me anything
having to do with a Q of any kind is very interesting to me! Be it a Tri Q A
Q200 or a Quad Q it's still a Q and the building and construction for all Q
type planes is very good to the builders out there that want to learn more
about the planes they are building and dreaming of building. This is a sort
of class room to me, where any topic of flight and it's many functions from
CG to composits and hot wiring foam are all part of it. To separate
everything into separate facet's of building classes is of no benefit to
anyone. You end up spending your time chasing around from one list to
another just to find the information you want. To me there aren't enough
posts to this list period about anything Q related. However I hang around
because I like the information this list has the potential of producing. I
personally have over 23 different sets of aircraft plans that I have bought
over the years and
they all interest me just as much now as they did when I first bought
them. Some of us are building more than one plane and have built others as
well as helping build others with friends so to me this is a class room for
everyone to get a little something out of. I love it all !!!! Eric Von
Kelsheimer

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312-212-4086 fax


Q List

drcastrojc <drcastrojc@...>
 

I agree with you Eric
But anyway, I just made my post thinking someone could be interested.
I also believe that as much are the subjects discussed, more people interested can take advantage of the discussion, and when I read any post that interesting to me, I just delete it.
But since the group's moderators understand is better mantaining these discussions out of the forum, I will just stop contributing with these "weird" ideas, like Q4s , turboprop Qs, or anything that does not fit in the "Qs envelope's and standard rules".
If anyone wants to drop his thoughts about the design, please send it direct to me offlist, and all comments will be very welcome.
Also, sometimes the list is too quiet and out comments could spice it!
Aloha
Castro

I'm new to this list and don't know its history but to me anything having to do with a Q of any kind is very interesting to me! Be it a Tri Q A Q200 or a Quad Q it's still a Q and the building and construction for all Q type planes is very good to the builders out there that want to learn more about the planes they are building and dreaming of building. This is a sort of class room to me, where any topic of flight and it's many functions from CG to composits and hot wiring foam are all part of it. To separate everything into separate facet's of building classes is of no benefit to anyone. You end up spending your time chasing around from one list to another just to find the information you want. To me there aren't enough posts to this list period about anything Q related. However I hang around because I like the information this list has the potential of producing. I personally have over 23 different sets of aircraft plans that I have bought over the years and
they all interest me just as much now as they did when I first bought them. Some of us are building more than one plane and have built others as well as helping build others with friends so to me this is a class room for everyone to get a little something out of. I love it all !!!! Eric Von Kelsheimer

---------------------------------
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.




New For Sale ad

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

I just added a new For Sale listing at the QBA web site.

https://plus2.safe-order.net/quickiebuilders//forsale.html

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974


Re: Q List

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

No one is trying to run anyone off the Q-list, but as Mike said, sometimes it is necessary to split the conversation because some who are only interested in the original design leave because the topics become so far off original, it has nothing to do with building & FLYING the original design safely. That's what this list is intended for. Sort of the substitute for a manufacture.

So the Q-Performance list was created to keep the more radical conversations going. It has been quiet, but its not flying season just yet and most topics are in the archives of past posts. Just do a search and read till your hearts content.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
A Sign Above www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

----- Original Message -----
From: eric kelsheimer
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Q List


I'm new to this list and don't know its history but to me anything having to do with a Q of any kind is very interesting to me! Be it a Tri Q A Q200 or a Quad Q it's still a Q and the building and construction for all Q type planes is very good to the builders out there that want to learn more about the planes they are building and dreaming of building. This is a sort of class room to me, where any topic of flight and it's many functions from CG to composits and hot wiring foam are all part of it. To separate everything into separate facet's of building classes is of no benefit to anyone. You end up spending your time chasing around from one list to another just to find the information you want. To me there aren't enough posts to this list period about anything Q related. However I hang around because I like the information this list has the potential of producing. I personally have over 23 different sets of aircraft plans that I have bought over the years and
they all interest me just as much now as they did when I first bought them. Some of us are building more than one plane and have built others as well as helping build others with friends so to me this is a class room for everyone to get a little something out of. I love it all !!!! Eric Von Kelsheimer

---------------------------------
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.


Q List

eric kelsheimer <ekelsheimer@...>
 

I'm new to this list and don't know its history but to me anything having to do with a Q of any kind is very interesting to me! Be it a Tri Q A Q200 or a Quad Q it's still a Q and the building and construction for all Q type planes is very good to the builders out there that want to learn more about the planes they are building and dreaming of building. This is a sort of class room to me, where any topic of flight and it's many functions from CG to composits and hot wiring foam are all part of it. To separate everything into separate facet's of building classes is of no benefit to anyone. You end up spending your time chasing around from one list to another just to find the information you want. To me there aren't enough posts to this list period about anything Q related. However I hang around because I like the information this list has the potential of producing. I personally have over 23 different sets of aircraft plans that I have bought over the years and
they all interest me just as much now as they did when I first bought them. Some of us are building more than one plane and have built others as well as helping build others with friends so to me this is a class room for everyone to get a little something out of. I love it all !!!! Eric Von Kelsheimer

---------------------------------
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.


Re: Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Kerry Wright
 

Sorry chaps,....
I must have not been around at the time of the split, as I usually participate on the Dragonfly list( have done for years),but I now own a Q2 as well, and was looking to share experiences with Q2 flyers and builders.
I think my Q2 is standard....wheels on canard tip and power is a Subaru?
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Harris
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater


Mike the Q-Performance list was set up for discussions away from the
standard Q. Standard Q and tri Q builders don't need the distraction.

Peter

_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Kerry Wright
Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2007 3:51 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Why does it upset you?
Mike Wright

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Perry
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Please move this discussion to Q-performance or some other forum.

Mike Perry

At 11:26 PM 3/30/2007 -0300, you wrote:

>Thanks Peter.
>Talking to Aurigema, I told him my idea is to build a fast economic 4
>seats plane. He suggested the Cozy.I have been thinking about this for a
>while and I confess the Cozy was considered many times.
>But the problem, is that besides it is a great plane, it should be a
>little bit more beatiful!
>And in the Cozy, besides the nose,I believe the fixed gear is one detail
>that make it no beatiful, trying to use words that does not hurt
>feelings...but that design did not wake up passion necessary for a project
>like that!
>The Q4 project is still not beatiful either yet!We did not get the balance
>seen in Qs or even Dragonflys that are beatiful machines!
>I believe that a plane that looks beatiful has more chances of flying
>beatifully!
>There are still a lot to do in the Q4 project to make it safer and better
>looking!
>I will use the X-plane for testing your kind suggestions, and I did not
>mention yet but intend to use some carbon fiber tho make it lighter!
>Aloha
>
>Hello Castro, If you move the leading edge of your canard to the rear
>datum line in your drawing for CG and add about 6 inches to the cord of
>the canard you should have a good design. That should put your trailing
>edge of the canard just about in line with the back of the front seat
>directly under the pilots backside. I would also add a few inches to the
>wing cord as well as a few inches in width which will help with take off
>and landing. Just my opinion but it seems right to me.
>
>drcastrojc <<mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br>drcastrojc@uol.
<mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br> com.br> wrote:
>Alo Peter
>That is a good idea.
>I will send to the group
>Castro
> > Hey Castro
> >
> > How about posting some pics on the files section or the pics section of
> > Q-Performance group?. There are some inventors lurking in there.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
>with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Off Topic - No ultimate limits for general aviation

Sam Hoskins
 

This article describes how far ingenuity and determination can really
take us. In other words, there are no limits.

http://home.mchsi.com/~shoskins/fastluscombe.html

Best of the day to you,

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL


Re: 17th Annual Field of Dreams Tandem Wing Fly-in -- Emporia, KS Se...

Terry Crouch
 

Great news Spud,

I'll wager we'll even have less wind than last year.

Terry Crouch

Quickie N14TC





Hello Gang,

Spud Spornitz here in Olathe, Kansas.

It again is my great pleasure to be your host for this year's "17th
Annual Field of Dreams Tandem Wing Fly-in". This year the event will be
held at Emporia, Kansas on September 21st, 22nd & 23rd 2007.

The event is just under six months away (177 days), and I thought it was
important that we get the dates and location set so everyone can mark
their calendars and make plans.

Emporia, Kansas is 100 southwest of Kansas City on Interstate 35. The
have a 5000 ft. north-south hard surface runway and 3900ft east-west
grass runway. 100 LL and mogas are available on a 24 hour basis along
with Jet A for those arriving in their King Air or Citation (Grin!!).
There is an over abundance of room for our workshops, forums, camping
and lots of room for the girls. You can find additional information on
Emporia at: _http://www.airnav.http://www.ahttp_
(http://www.airnav.com/airport/KEMP)

Over the next 30+ days we'll be bringing more details on the overall
event activities. One of the main changes this year so far is that
Friday is going to be a full day. I hope to make this day a "hands-on"
workshop/casual forum day and we'll have only one or two forums during
the day on Saturday. The topics, workshops or forums will be driven by
your suggestions and ideas. Also Thursday evening we have a BBQ at the
airport for those early birds.

So please mark those calendars and please plan to join for this very
special event.

We'll keep you informed in the discussion groups and the newsletters.

More later,

Spud Spornitz
Olathe, KS
(913) 764-5118
_spudspornitz@spudspornit_ (mailto:spudspornitz@...)











************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


Re: Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

drcastrojc <drcastrojc@...>
 

Sorry Mike
My case is the idea without experience (at least about experimental construction and desingn)
How can I participate of the Q-performance list?
Castro
Discussion of the Q4 belongs on the Q-performance list because of the
history of this list. We used to have more participation on this list by
experienced people with flying Q2s, Q200s and Tri-Qs. Experienced people
got upset with people with ideas but no experience. After a lot of
argument, the Q-performance list was set up for people who wanted to
discuss ideas that were Q-related but not directly related to the Q2, Q200
and Tri-Q family.

Unfortunately, some experienced people got too frustrated and quit the
group anyway. (Given some of the things posted on this list its no
surprise.) I don't want more Q-experienced people driven away.

The Q-performance list is for people with more radical or experimental
concepts, and that's were the Q4 discussion belongs.

Mike Perry

At 07:51 AM 3/31/2007 +0200, Mike Wright wrote:

Why does it upset you?
Mike Wright

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Perry
To: <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Please move this discussion to Q-performance or some other forum.

Mike Perry

At 11:26 PM 3/30/2007 -0300, you wrote:

Thanks Peter.
Talking to Aurigema, I told him my idea is to build a fast economic 4
seats plane. He suggested the Cozy.I have been thinking about this for a
while and I confess the Cozy was considered many times.
But the problem, is that besides it is a great plane, it should be a
little bit more beatiful!
And in the Cozy, besides the nose,I believe the fixed gear is one detail
that make it no beatiful, trying to use words that does not hurt
feelings...but that design did not wake up passion necessary for a project
like that!
The Q4 project is still not beatiful either yet!We did not get the balance
seen in Qs or even Dragonflys that are beatiful machines!
I believe that a plane that looks beatiful has more chances of flying
beatifully!
There are still a lot to do in the Q4 project to make it safer and better
looking!
I will use the X-plane for testing your kind suggestions, and I did not
mention yet but intend to use some carbon fiber tho make it lighter!
Aloha

Hello Castro, If you move the leading edge of your canard to the rear
datum line in your drawing for CG and add about 6 inches to the cord of
the canard you should have a good design. That should put your trailing
edge of the canard just about in line with the back of the front seat
directly under the pilots backside. I would also add a few inches to the
wing cord as well as a few inches in width which will help with take off
and landing. Just my opinion but it seems right to me.

drcastrojc
<<mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br><mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br>drcastrojc@...>
wrote:
Alo Peter
That is a good idea.
I will send to the group
Castro
Hey Castro

How about posting some pics on the files section or the pics section of
Q-Performance group?. There are some inventors lurking in there.

Peter







---------------------------------


Re: Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
 

Discussion of the Q4 belongs on the Q-performance list because of the
history of this list. We used to have more participation on this list by
experienced people with flying Q2s, Q200s and Tri-Qs. Experienced people
got upset with people with ideas but no experience. After a lot of
argument, the Q-performance list was set up for people who wanted to
discuss ideas that were Q-related but not directly related to the Q2, Q200
and Tri-Q family.

Unfortunately, some experienced people got too frustrated and quit the
group anyway. (Given some of the things posted on this list its no
surprise.) I don't want more Q-experienced people driven away.

The Q-performance list is for people with more radical or experimental
concepts, and that's were the Q4 discussion belongs.

Mike Perry

At 07:51 AM 3/31/2007 +0200, Mike Wright wrote:

Why does it upset you?
Mike Wright

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Perry
To: <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Please move this discussion to Q-performance or some other forum.

Mike Perry

At 11:26 PM 3/30/2007 -0300, you wrote:

Thanks Peter.
Talking to Aurigema, I told him my idea is to build a fast economic 4
seats plane. He suggested the Cozy.I have been thinking about this for a
while and I confess the Cozy was considered many times.
But the problem, is that besides it is a great plane, it should be a
little bit more beatiful!
And in the Cozy, besides the nose,I believe the fixed gear is one detail
that make it no beatiful, trying to use words that does not hurt
feelings...but that design did not wake up passion necessary for a project
like that!
The Q4 project is still not beatiful either yet!We did not get the balance
seen in Qs or even Dragonflys that are beatiful machines!
I believe that a plane that looks beatiful has more chances of flying
beatifully!
There are still a lot to do in the Q4 project to make it safer and better
looking!
I will use the X-plane for testing your kind suggestions, and I did not
mention yet but intend to use some carbon fiber tho make it lighter!
Aloha

Hello Castro, If you move the leading edge of your canard to the rear
datum line in your drawing for CG and add about 6 inches to the cord of
the canard you should have a good design. That should put your trailing
edge of the canard just about in line with the back of the front seat
directly under the pilots backside. I would also add a few inches to the
wing cord as well as a few inches in width which will help with take off
and landing. Just my opinion but it seems right to me.

drcastrojc
<<mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br><mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br>drcastrojc@...>
wrote:
Alo Peter
That is a good idea.
I will send to the group
Castro
Hey Castro

How about posting some pics on the files section or the pics section of
Q-Performance group?. There are some inventors lurking in there.

Peter







---------------------------------


Re: Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Mike the Q-Performance list was set up for discussions away from the
standard Q. Standard Q and tri Q builders don't need the distraction.

Peter



_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Kerry Wright
Sent: Saturday, 31 March 2007 3:51 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater



Why does it upset you?
Mike Wright

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Perry
To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Please move this discussion to Q-performance or some other forum.

Mike Perry

At 11:26 PM 3/30/2007 -0300, you wrote:

Thanks Peter.
Talking to Aurigema, I told him my idea is to build a fast economic 4
seats plane. He suggested the Cozy.I have been thinking about this for a
while and I confess the Cozy was considered many times.
But the problem, is that besides it is a great plane, it should be a
little bit more beatiful!
And in the Cozy, besides the nose,I believe the fixed gear is one detail
that make it no beatiful, trying to use words that does not hurt
feelings...but that design did not wake up passion necessary for a project
like that!
The Q4 project is still not beatiful either yet!We did not get the balance
seen in Qs or even Dragonflys that are beatiful machines!
I believe that a plane that looks beatiful has more chances of flying
beatifully!
There are still a lot to do in the Q4 project to make it safer and better
looking!
I will use the X-plane for testing your kind suggestions, and I did not
mention yet but intend to use some carbon fiber tho make it lighter!
Aloha

Hello Castro, If you move the leading edge of your canard to the rear
datum line in your drawing for CG and add about 6 inches to the cord of
the canard you should have a good design. That should put your trailing
edge of the canard just about in line with the back of the front seat
directly under the pilots backside. I would also add a few inches to the
wing cord as well as a few inches in width which will help with take off
and landing. Just my opinion but it seems right to me.

drcastrojc <<mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br>drcastrojc@uol.
<mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br> com.br> wrote:
Alo Peter
That is a good idea.
I will send to the group
Castro
Hey Castro

How about posting some pics on the files section or the pics section of
Q-Performance group?. There are some inventors lurking in there.

Peter







---------------------------------
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.





----------


Back From Vacation....

Ron Weiss <ronweiss4@...>
 

Hey Guy's, It's been a while since I've worked on my Tri Q. Damian got
sick and I got burned out! However, I am back and excited on the new
progress my bird has taken on.
I had a real true-blue engineer look at my plane and I'm quite
relieved with his evaluation and further instructional recommendations.
I knew he was 'an old time airplane guy' because he had a funny
looking ruler with 'no batteries'!
He advised me on how to strengthen my firewall and mounts correctly.
He smiled at my Subi-Lyc and stated when we're finished my plane could
handle a Chevy V-8 mounted up-front!
That's nice I thought, but, the Subi will do for me!
I forgot how good it feels to be driving home from the hangar late at
night with little scracthes and cuts on my arms, covered in dust, and
smelling like epoxy. Oh what a feeling!
I spoke on the phone today with a friend of mine who has built and
completed to 'Flying' 4, yes, that's FOUR airplanes from scratch! He's
really motivating to speak with!
I'm going to try and get to Jean so I could see you all....any Tri
Q's comming? Anyway, back to the grind. I still have fifty bucks
comming from Patillo sometime in the next year for a flying airplane!
I just ordered a Prince Prop and hope to have a completed firewall
foward Tri Q in a couple of months! I love quick and easy these planes
are to build! Ron Weiss


Re: Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Kerry Wright
 

Why does it upset you?
Mike Wright

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Perry
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater


Please move this discussion to Q-performance or some other forum.

Mike Perry

At 11:26 PM 3/30/2007 -0300, you wrote:

>Thanks Peter.
>Talking to Aurigema, I told him my idea is to build a fast economic 4
>seats plane. He suggested the Cozy.I have been thinking about this for a
>while and I confess the Cozy was considered many times.
>But the problem, is that besides it is a great plane, it should be a
>little bit more beatiful!
>And in the Cozy, besides the nose,I believe the fixed gear is one detail
>that make it no beatiful, trying to use words that does not hurt
>feelings...but that design did not wake up passion necessary for a project
>like that!
>The Q4 project is still not beatiful either yet!We did not get the balance
>seen in Qs or even Dragonflys that are beatiful machines!
>I believe that a plane that looks beatiful has more chances of flying
>beatifully!
>There are still a lot to do in the Q4 project to make it safer and better
>looking!
>I will use the X-plane for testing your kind suggestions, and I did not
>mention yet but intend to use some carbon fiber tho make it lighter!
>Aloha
>
>Hello Castro, If you move the leading edge of your canard to the rear
>datum line in your drawing for CG and add about 6 inches to the cord of
>the canard you should have a good design. That should put your trailing
>edge of the canard just about in line with the back of the front seat
>directly under the pilots backside. I would also add a few inches to the
>wing cord as well as a few inches in width which will help with take off
>and landing. Just my opinion but it seems right to me.
>
>drcastrojc <<mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br>drcastrojc@...> wrote:
>Alo Peter
>That is a good idea.
>I will send to the group
>Castro
> > Hey Castro
> >
> > How about posting some pics on the files section or the pics section of
> > Q-Performance group?. There are some inventors lurking in there.
> >
> > Peter
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Re: Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
 

Please move this discussion to Q-performance or some other forum.

Mike Perry

At 11:26 PM 3/30/2007 -0300, you wrote:

Thanks Peter.
Talking to Aurigema, I told him my idea is to build a fast economic 4
seats plane. He suggested the Cozy.I have been thinking about this for a
while and I confess the Cozy was considered many times.
But the problem, is that besides it is a great plane, it should be a
little bit more beatiful!
And in the Cozy, besides the nose,I believe the fixed gear is one detail
that make it no beatiful, trying to use words that does not hurt
feelings...but that design did not wake up passion necessary for a project
like that!
The Q4 project is still not beatiful either yet!We did not get the balance
seen in Qs or even Dragonflys that are beatiful machines!
I believe that a plane that looks beatiful has more chances of flying
beatifully!
There are still a lot to do in the Q4 project to make it safer and better
looking!
I will use the X-plane for testing your kind suggestions, and I did not
mention yet but intend to use some carbon fiber tho make it lighter!
Aloha

Hello Castro, If you move the leading edge of your canard to the rear
datum line in your drawing for CG and add about 6 inches to the cord of
the canard you should have a good design. That should put your trailing
edge of the canard just about in line with the back of the front seat
directly under the pilots backside. I would also add a few inches to the
wing cord as well as a few inches in width which will help with take off
and landing. Just my opinion but it seems right to me.

drcastrojc <<mailto:drcastrojc%40uol.com.br>drcastrojc@...> wrote:
Alo Peter
That is a good idea.
I will send to the group
Castro
Hey Castro

How about posting some pics on the files section or the pics section of
Q-Performance group?. There are some inventors lurking in there.

Peter







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Beatiful is important? Q 4 seater

drcastrojc <drcastrojc@...>
 

Thanks Peter.
Talking to Aurigema, I told him my idea is to build a fast economic 4 seats plane. He suggested the Cozy.I have been thinking about this for a while and I confess the Cozy was considered many times.
But the problem, is that besides it is a great plane, it should be a little bit more beatiful!
And in the Cozy, besides the nose,I believe the fixed gear is one detail that make it no beatiful, trying to use words that does not hurt feelings...but that design did not wake up passion necessary for a project like that!
The Q4 project is still not beatiful either yet!We did not get the balance seen in Qs or even Dragonflys that are beatiful machines!
I believe that a plane that looks beatiful has more chances of flying beatifully!
There are still a lot to do in the Q4 project to make it safer and better looking!
I will use the X-plane for testing your kind suggestions, and I did not mention yet but intend to use some carbon fiber tho make it lighter!
Aloha

Hello Castro, If you move the leading edge of your canard to the rear datum line in your drawing for CG and add about 6 inches to the cord of the canard you should have a good design. That should put your trailing edge of the canard just about in line with the back of the front seat directly under the pilots backside. I would also add a few inches to the wing cord as well as a few inches in width which will help with take off and landing. Just my opinion but it seems right to me.

drcastrojc <drcastrojc@...> wrote: Alo Peter
That is a good idea.
I will send to the group
Castro
Hey Castro

How about posting some pics on the files section or the pics section of
Q-Performance group?. There are some inventors lurking in there.

Peter







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Re: Q 4 seater

eric kelsheimer <ekelsheimer@...>
 

Hello Castro, If you move the leading edge of your canard to the rear datum line in your drawing for CG and add about 6 inches to the cord of the canard you should have a good design. That should put your trailing edge of the canard just about in line with the back of the front seat directly under the pilots backside. I would also add a few inches to the wing cord as well as a few inches in width which will help with take off and landing. Just my opinion but it seems right to me.

drcastrojc <drcastrojc@...> wrote: Alo Peter
That is a good idea.
I will send to the group
Castro
Hey Castro

How about posting some pics on the files section or the pics section of
Q-Performance group?. There are some inventors lurking in there.

Peter












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Q2 4/sale at Jean

Larry Severson
 

There will be a beautiful Q2 at the Jean flyin that is for sale. I expect to fly it up with the owner on Sat 4/28.

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
larry2@...


Re: {Disarmed} RE: Ethanol and FG resin

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Robert thanks I have been asking the same question on another list and yours
is the first factual answer about the effect of ethanol on epoxy resin. I
have asked the same question of my supplier of Araldite epoxy and he is
looking into it. I will report back.

Meantime it looks as if we either need a sloshing compound or not to use
Ethanol blended fuel.

Peter



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Sent: Friday, 30 March 2007 11:11 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: {Disarmed} RE: [Q-LIST] Ethanol and FG resin



Peter,
You are correct, those links did not specifically address the question
of resin damage, however:

http://www.boatus.
<http://www.boatus.com/news/releases/2005/october/alert.asp>
com/news/releases/2005/october/alert.asp

This article specifically speaks of the fuel additive 'eating' the
resin, but the large proportion of vessels are built with polyester
resin as opposed to epoxy resin in the Q.

Then there are the epoxy tests:

http://www.boatus. <http://www.boatus.com/Seaworthy/fueltest.asp>
com/Seaworthy/fueltest.asp
Here is a quote *

"Chemical Resistance Data From A Leading Epoxy Supplier.*
The test was made using the company's most resistant epoxy and exposing
fiberglass lab samples to 10% ethanol gas and regular unleaded gas as
well as diesel and aviation gas.

The results for the ethanol gas showed a 10% loss in hardness and a
10-15% loss of compressive strength over a 16 week period. It is likely
that the loss of hardness and strength would continue to fall at a
similar rate over time. The unleaded gas, diesel, and aviation gas tests
showed virtually no change."

http://www.boatsurv <http://www.boatsurveyshawaii.com/page9.html>
eyshawaii.com/page9.html

Robert

Peter Harris wrote:

R thanks,

The links that are still alive refer to the separation of water in E10
when
the fuel is left to stand for long periods.

Does anyone have info to show that the ethanol attacks epoxy resin which I
think is more important.

(I could not find that in the archives)

Thanks

Peter

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In a message dated 3/27/2007 6:36:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
rdixon@disl. <mailto:rdixon%40disl.org> org writes:

Look at some of the issues Boating/Yachting people in the U.S. have been
experiencing.
I am sure there are other links also...

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Peter Harris wrote:

Hi again,

I have read on another list that ethanol dissolves FG resin. Does anyone
have good data on this ?

TIA

Peter
Those articles are talking about polyester boat resin, not epoxy.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson a.k.a. One Sky Dog

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Re: Q2 4/sale at Jean

Who is this?
 

Hi guys and girls.
Dave is planing to come and I have a nice Q2 foe sale also.&#92;
Dave


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