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Fw: Tri Q Elevator Set Up
Paul Buckley
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Sorry guys, that was meant to be off list. Paul Buckley
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From: Paul Buckley To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Tri Q Elevator Set Up Morning Kev I HAD intended to try for the Spring Fling but unfortunately I have a guest arriving from Grand Cayman on the 20th. She had told me that she was coming over in June, but when she called me just before I received your message (like, a couple of hours!) she told me that she had already booked her flight for the 19th of May, arriving the morning of the 20th.!! Sods Law! I really would have liked to have been there, but I am sure you will all enjoy the event without me, though I know it will be difficult! Have fun Kev, and thanks for asking.....next time, hopefully. Paul. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Boddicker To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Tri Q Elevator Set Up Paul, Good to hear you are working on the plane. I spoke too soon, but I will get some pics the next time I get near the hanger. Probably on Friday. I have a few, but they are very confusing. Are you planning to be in the States the 18, 19, 20 of May? You could attend the Spring Fling!!! I will get the pics. Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 52.2 hours Luana, IA. On Apr 25, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Paul Buckley wrote: Hi Kev ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 24/04/2007 17:43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 26/04/2007 15:23
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Re: Tri Q Elevator Set Up
Paul Buckley
Morning Kev
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I HAD intended to try for the Spring Fling but unfortunately I have a guest arriving from Grand Cayman on the 20th. She had told me that she was coming over in June, but when she called me just before I received your message (like, a couple of hours!) she told me that she had already booked her flight for the 19th of May, arriving the morning of the 20th.!! Sods Law! I really would have liked to have been there, but I am sure you will all enjoy the event without me, though I know it will be difficult! Have fun Kev, and thanks for asking.....next time, hopefully. Paul.
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From: Kevin Boddicker To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Tri Q Elevator Set Up Paul, Good to hear you are working on the plane. I spoke too soon, but I will get some pics the next time I get near the hanger. Probably on Friday. I have a few, but they are very confusing. Are you planning to be in the States the 18, 19, 20 of May? You could attend the Spring Fling!!! I will get the pics. Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 52.2 hours Luana, IA. On Apr 25, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Paul Buckley wrote: > Hi Kev > > I would like some pics of your mod, too. > The linkage is my next job, and I was not looking forward to > cutting into my tank. > > Paul Buckley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Boddicker > To: Q-LIST@... > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Tri Q Elevator Set Up > > Ron, > I got a tip from another builder on this subject. I turned the stick > up side down. That way the attach point is elevated. Then I moved the > holes in the elevator actuator arms up. It takes a bit of playing > around, but it works for me. Make sure you get full travel of the > elevator per the template. The now up end of the stick is shorter > than before, but my stick grip works fine. You will have to reproduce > the attach point "bushing" on the new end, and play with that as well. > It is my opinion that this mod also makes the stick less sensitive in > pitch. It takes more stick movement to actuate the elevators. > If you would like some pics, let me know and I will try to send some. > > Kevin Boddicker > Tri Q 200 N7868B 52.2 hours > Luana, IA. > > On Apr 25, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Ron Weiss wrote: > > > Has anyone done their elevator linkage per the Tri Q plans? One rod > > pivoting into two rods back to the elevators. If so, and it works > > well, I'd like to see it. I'm really tight on space and don't feel > > comfortabe with the elevator trim, rudder cable, and fuel lines so > > close together. Not to mention, I have a fuel sender needing to be > > placed somewhere in there....Ron > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: > 24/04/2007 17:43 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 24/04/2007 17:43
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Re: GU vortex generator update - New question
James Postma <james@...>
Yes. I had limited testing on it but results were similar to those with the GU. I mainly did runway flights and control was excellent.
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For review of my results, please see my prior posts on VG's with the GU canard. Briefly, the advantages are much better control at low speeds, stall speed (pitch buck) reduced below control authority (with stick full back, the canard did not stall at 60 mph), reduced runway requirement for landing (less than 2,000 feet). James Postma Steilacoom, Washington (253) 584-1182 9:00 to 8:00 PDT (253) 691-2979 cell May your header tank be always full and your wings right side up.
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From: rebeccaandtad_simpson To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:21 PM Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: GU vortex generator update - New question If VG's have a number of benefits other than bug and rain control, has anyone ever tried them on an LS1 ?
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Re: GU vortex generator update
James Postma <james@...>
Rene,
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Please send me the document. I'm glad to see that the VG's are catching on. My experiences with mine were very positive. James Postma Steilacoom, Washington (253) 584-1182 9:00 to 8:00 PDT (253) 691-2979 cell May your header tank be always full and your wings right side up.
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From: Rene Robertson To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: GU vortex generator update Hi Guys, I've uploaded to our group site pictures of the Voyager style VG's. The pictures are in a photo section in a folder called "Voyager VG's". I have also uploded an autocad drawing of the VG into the files section called in a folder also called "Voyager VG's". I have scanned in the techinical document of the design of these VG's as a pdf file. Unfortunately I cannot upload this document because it is over 7 Meg. Our files section is 99% full. I will send this document to anyone who would like to receive it. Phil Lankford is looking at the possibility of making these VG's for a reasonable cost to the group. My cost was $100.00 per set when I had a minimum of 3 sets made. This cost was just for the laser cutting of them. I still had to bend the ends up myself. I was able to pariticapate in a remeberance day (veteran's day) formation flypast over the Abbotsford Cenitaph last weekend. I've been fortunate to participate in over the last number of years. Again conditions were not favourable, but the VG's performed nicely. Haven't been up since because of the winter wet storm conditions we've been having here. Regards Rene Q2 C-FBWV __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Spring Fling
Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
Listers,
We are only three weeks away from the Spring Fling! If you were not aware, it is being held in Iowa City IA. May 18, 19, 20. I would again request that if you are coming, please RSVP!! Even if you are driving in. That way we can get a head count for Saturday morning breakfast. Greg is cooking, word on the street is "He's Good". The rest of the agenda is laid back. There may be a performance run, it is not in stone yet. Greg has indicated that there have been few if any reservations made at the Alexis Park Inn. Reserve your room early. 319-337-8665 www.alexisparkinn.com If flying in ask about cancelation, they are very flexible for fly in's. Drive in's need to cancel early if necessary. But if you are driving in, why cancel at all? The owners of the inn are our kind of people. Every room is an aviation theme room. Very cool. They also have a very large flight simulator to play with. They are thrilled that we are having the event near them, and aim to accommodate us. SO, get your RSVP's in, and reserve a room. It won't be much fun without you. DON'T make me send out personal invitations!!! Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 52.2 hours Luana, IA.
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Re: now brakes etc ...
n02ez <Reggie@...>
The Parker Seal Company has a design Handbook for finding
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the proper O-Ring size, fit, surface finish, groove size and shape, seal fluid compatabiliy, and service use. If you can measure the existing brake and cylinder dimensions and use machinist ,surface finish sample strips to estimate the surface finish , one can find a compatable O-Ring from the many available.. I have handbooks here and have used them for designing O-Ring grooves for over thirty years...Guess that makes it one OLD book... :) Reggie http://www.parker.com/Catalogs/ http://www.parker.com/o-ring/Literature/00-5700.pdf Section 5-2 and on..
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Re: Tri Q Elevator Set Up
Ron Weiss <ronweiss4@...>
--Thanks Guy's for the help. Kevin, pics would be greeeeaaat!
ronweiss4@... Ron- In Q-LIST@..., Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote: near the hanger. Probably on Friday. I have a few, but they are verycould attend the Spring Fling!!!stick moved theup side down. That way the attach point is elevated. Then I reproduceholes in the elevator actuator arms up. It takes a bit of playing well.the attach point "bushing" on the new end, and play with that as sensitive inIt is my opinion that this mod also makes the stick less some.pitch. It takes more stick movement to actuate the elevators. One rod workspivoting into two rods back to the elevators. If so, and it feelwell, I'd like to see it. I'm really tight on space and don't lines socomfortabe with the elevator trim, rudder cable, and fuel to beclose together. Not to mention, I have a fuel sender needing placed somewhere in there....Ron[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Just starting out . . .
steveryh
Larry,
Nice that you have your son to help with the Q project. My son is living in LA, and didn't sound over joyed about my idea of him driving here every weekend for the next few years to work on my plane (s). Whenever you're in Vegas, be sure to give me a heads up. I know MAGIC is a crazy time around town, but if you have some spare moments I'm happy to show you the hidden gems around town. We have some awesome restaurants that nobody would ever find. --- In Q-LIST@..., "LARRY DURANT" <durantl@...> wrote: local in Coloradoand a few other upgraded items.trying to define a starting place.Friday. Great group of folks and an invaluable resource. One of theirtechnical advisers has built a Q200 and a member gave me a lead on arevmaster not far away.classic boat project that was in the que, ahead of the Q. Almost had the floorin before the rain and subsequent snow hit the area.a year for the MAGIC show.but yet).template cut outs for GU canard (luckily, no foam has been cut I meetingcould find on the net - including joining the QBA. I went to their a few of you this weekend at the Jean fly-in. If anyone needs
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Re: Brake Fluid / Rubber Compound Compatibility
Bob Moehlenkamp <bobmoeh@...>
I saved this article a while back. Thought it was interesting. I would
think Nylo tubing would melt and add to the fire. Bob MO This was posted on the Biplane Hangar Mailing list recently: Bret - Biplane Hangar http://www.gf24.de/biplane/ <<Gang, Had a brake fire on an RV-8A last weekend. Tidy combination of operator error and design issues, much of which is specific to the 8A and/or castering nosewheel, steer-with-the-brakes airplanes in general. However, research did turn up a few items perhaps everyone should know. The fire started after an overheated caliper leaked fluid on a hot disk. The fluid flashed and lit the resin in the fiberglass wheel pant, as well as the tire sidewall. The brake worked fine, with only slightly higher pedal pressure required even when on fire. I've posted a photo to the vault (yep, a bystander had a digital camera). In the photo, I'm holding pedal pressure while shutting down for the fire crew. Note the fire on the ground under the pant, believed to be fluid and dripping resin. I don't recall any additional pedal travel. When something like this happens I get curious. Why did the seal leak at some temperature well below a failure temperature for the rest of the brake? And why did the fluid catch fire? Fast forward: It turns out the Cleveland piston seal for the little 30-9 caliper is an ordinary MS28775-218 nitrile o-ring. Nitrile's temperature rating is - 65F to +275 F. We found the seal to be brittle and flaking when we dismantled the caliper. A caliper seal with a 275 F temp limit is below automotive standards, but that's another story. As for fluid, Cleveland's tech manual specifies either Mil-H-5606 or Mil-H-83282 as acceptable. Both are listed in AC-43 and the A&P texts. Turns out that Mil-H-83282 was created because the military was tired of setting it's airplanes on fire. Mil-H-5606 is the standard red hydraulic fluid sold by Spruce, Wicks, Chief, etc. It is a petroleum base, and turns out to have a very low flash point. The Mil-H-83282 is also red, and compatible with 5606 fluid as well as seals created for 5606. However, it is a synthetic, with much higher flash and burn points, and is self-extinguishing when removed from the ignition source. You can download complete specs for Aeroshell Fluid 41 (Mil-H-5606) and Aeroshell Fluid 31 (Mil-H-83282) at: http://193.113.209.166/aeroshell/aeroshellhydraulicfluids.pdf Note the flash points of the two fluids. Aeroshell 41 is 104 C, which is only 219 F. Aeroshell 31 is 237 C, or 458 F. A flash point of 219 F means that when a Cleveland caliper seal fails at something above 275, the fluid is already hot enough to light when it hits a hot disk and vaporizes inside the pant. Makes for an interesting combination. Live and learn. I always assumed standard "mil-spec red brake fluid" was something special, and I doubt I was alone in this assumption. It's not. It's just another one of those "always done it that way" things prevalent with light airplanes. Note that the Shell literature declines to even refer to it as brake fluid. Spruce, etc, doesn't sell Mil-H-83282 fluid, but they should. I've already ordeting combination. Live and learn. I always assumed standard "mil-spec red brake fluid" was something special, and I doubt I was alone in this assumption. It's not. It's just another one of those "always done it that way" things prevalent with light airplanes. Note that the Shell literature declines to even refer to it as brake fluid. Spruce, etc, doesn't sell Mil-H-83282 fluid, but they should. I've already ordered a gallon of Fluid 31 from the local Shell distributor. Since the old and new fluids are compatible, switching is as easy as draining the old, flush with new, refill, and bleed. Let's be careful out there. <Dan on 1/29/04 4:59 PM, PullSomeGs@... at PullSomeGs@... wrote: A coworker has asked me to gather any information on wheel pant fires for his friend who's Extra burned. Apparently he had a fuel drain that exited on the wheel pant, which somehow caught fire. He is having trouble with his insurance company and wants to have some other cases of such an event to help his case. Seems like I remember this happening to someone a few years ago. Any information is appreciated!
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Re: Brake Fluid / Rubber Compound Compatibility
raoborg@...
Hi Sam. I have a new one that I am not going to use. I have put in toe brakes with Cleveland cylinders and a reservoir.I do not accept Mexican pesos though. Let me know Raoul
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--- sam.hoskins@... wrote: From: "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Brake Fluid / Rubber Compound Compatibility Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:36:45 -0500 Phil, I'm an A&P. We do know things like fluid compatibility and pitted surfaces. Over the years I have both rebuilt and replaced the Airheart master cylinders. One leaks, the other doesn't. I may pop for a brand gnu set, just to see what happens. Regards, Sam
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Re: Brake Fluid / Rubber Compound Compatibility
Phil, I'm an A&P. We do know things like fluid compatibility and pitted
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surfaces. Over the years I have both rebuilt and replaced the Airheart master cylinders. One leaks, the other doesn't. I may pop for a brand gnu set, just to see what happens. Regards, Sam
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Re: Construction Videos
Bob Moehlenkamp <bobmoeh@...>
I found the DVD and Larry Durant has spoken for it. Will pass it on
when he is done. BTW, the DEADBEATS are no longer on this list. If you want to try to get the tapes I'll pass on the contact info I have. One promised to return them several times. The other never returned my Emails till he quit the list 6 months ago. I kept hoping they would run across them and feel guility. But, no luck. Contact me direct. Bob MO --- In Q-LIST@..., <raoborg@...> wrote: you Raoul
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Re: Construction Videos
raoborg@...
Keep me in mind too for the videos Bob. Let me know what's up. Thank you Raoul
--- bobmoeh@... wrote: From: "bobmoeh@..." <bobmoeh@...> To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Construction Videos Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 06:52:43 GMT Thanks for reminding me. If you Newbies are interested, I have a 5 hour video of the construction of a Q2/Q200. I know I have a DVD copy Dan was kind enough to burn and return with the Vhs tapes. I'll look to see if I can find it tomorrow or I can give you the names of two DEADBEATS (Jim P& Mario)who never returned the copies they were loaned. Poor quality copies, but very informative. Several members have borrowed, copied and returned these tapes in the past. Maybe there is still another copy available if my search fails. Let me know if your interested. Bob MO _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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Re: Brake Fluid / Rubber Compound Compatibility
Hello Sam:
Good to know you are an A&P. I don't have any secrets as to how to keep an Airheart master cylinder from leaking other than by following good assembly practice. I am still surprised at how really very qualified people often make very obvious lapses in good judgement or overlook a simple thing like fluid compatability. If all else fails, don't put fluid in it. Am I to understand that you might be coming to Jean? I'd love to learn some Spanish. Cheers, Phil ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Re: Tri Q Elevator Set Up
Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
Paul,
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Good to hear you are working on the plane. I spoke too soon, but I will get some pics the next time I get near the hanger. Probably on Friday. I have a few, but they are very confusing. Are you planning to be in the States the 18, 19, 20 of May? You could attend the Spring Fling!!! I will get the pics. Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 52.2 hours Luana, IA.
On Apr 25, 2007, at 11:15 AM, Paul Buckley wrote:
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Brake Fluid / Rubber Compound Compatibility
Hello Sam:
I have not repaired Airhearts, but they must make a rebuild kit, and if the cylinders have pitted surfaces, they need to be honed just like any other brake cylinder. I have done lots of Triumph car slave and master cylinders in this way. Gasket seals, compression seals, cylindrical cup seals - what else is there to do? How about use the appropriate rubber kit for the appropriate brake compound? According to published Airheart literature: "...Make certain that the master cylinder you are using has the correct seals to be compatible with the hydraulic fluid being used in the braking system. Master cylinders with EPR seals are designed for use with automotive brake fluid which meets the standards of SAE-J-1703 and DOT-3. Master cylinders with Buna-N seals are designed for use with mineral base "Red" hydraulic fluid which meets the standards of Mil-Spec. MIL-5606..." There is better than a good chance the cylinders are fine but which have at some time been cross-contaminated with the incorrect brake fluid. _http://www.airheart-brakes.com/partsheets_airheart.html_ (http://www.airheart-brakes.com/partsheets_airheart.html) Cheers, Phil ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Re: Thanks to someone; now brakes etc ...
Phil, what do you do to make them better? I have had leaks, off and on,
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over the years. Sam
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Re: Tri Q Elevator Set Up
Paul Buckley
Hi Kev
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I would like some pics of your mod, too. The linkage is my next job, and I was not looking forward to cutting into my tank. Paul Buckley
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From: Kevin Boddicker To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Tri Q Elevator Set Up Ron, I got a tip from another builder on this subject. I turned the stick up side down. That way the attach point is elevated. Then I moved the holes in the elevator actuator arms up. It takes a bit of playing around, but it works for me. Make sure you get full travel of the elevator per the template. The now up end of the stick is shorter than before, but my stick grip works fine. You will have to reproduce the attach point "bushing" on the new end, and play with that as well. It is my opinion that this mod also makes the stick less sensitive in pitch. It takes more stick movement to actuate the elevators. If you would like some pics, let me know and I will try to send some. Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 52.2 hours Luana, IA. On Apr 25, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Ron Weiss wrote: > Has anyone done their elevator linkage per the Tri Q plans? One rod > pivoting into two rods back to the elevators. If so, and it works > well, I'd like to see it. I'm really tight on space and don't feel > comfortabe with the elevator trim, rudder cable, and fuel lines so > close together. Not to mention, I have a fuel sender needing to be > placed somewhere in there....Ron > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 24/04/2007 17:43
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Re: Thanks to someone; now brakes etc ...
Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
Just to clarify, I still have finger brakes and like them very well.
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From: chris rayner To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Thanks to someone; now brakes etc ... Doug, I suspected that might be the case. I'll stick with Airheart for now and make sure I have a cloth to wipe up before putting seats in.... Chris Rayner ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Humble To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Thanks to someone; now brakes etc ... Chris, some have used Airheart brakes with no leaking. I was not one of those lucky people. I rebuilt one twice and then bought a new one to replace it. It leaked just like the other ones. I finally gave up and replaced them with brakes from Great Plains. However, they have a smaller diameter pad and I would not recommend them for the Q200. They will not hold my bird still at full static throttle, but they are fine for slowing the plane down. Bigger pads would be better. But they have never leaked!!!! I have lots of Airheart parts to bring to a fly-in sometime to sell to the next victim. Maybe I was doing something wrong or they just didn't like me??? Doug "Hawkeye" Humble A Sign Above www.asignabove.net Omaha NE N25974 ----- Original Message ----- From: chris rayner To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: [Q-LIST] Thanks to someone; now brakes etc ... Richard, yes indeedee. So far six flights - total 2 1/2 hours - two flights with me as "essential observer". Today's "adjustments" were to open up the cooling air intakes and replace a brake master cylinder. Incidentally - do Airheart brake master cylinders always leak a bit? I have done about 4 hours taxying at various speeds. I reckon that if I did not have independent, finger operated brakes, I would have hit fence posts about 4 times by now. I don't have much experience yet, but I don't think my feet would be sensitive or quick enough or certain enough on the brakes. I would get confused between rudder pushing and brake pushing when busy. Independent brakes (to me) are a no-brainer. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Thomson To: Q-LIST Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: [Q-LIST] Re:Thanks to someone... So Chris, Does that mean you have been off the ground yet in your Q or are you still building up to it ? Richard Thomson Weston s Mare , UK Tri-Q G-BMFN (Approaching Re-birth) richard@...
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Re: Thanks to someone; now brakes etc ...
chris rayner <chris-rayner@...>
Phil, see my reply to Doug.... they work but they leak!
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From: britmcman@... To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Thanks to someone; now brakes etc ... Send your Airheart Heartbreaks to : Phil Lankford 780 Cassou Road San Marcos, CA 92069 I'll dial 'em in and use them. Cheers, Phil ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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