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Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT

damiantwinsport@...
 

Tad, what my goal is ,to establish a protocol for the NDT of Canards, Specifically the LS1 spar. That means the equipment and procedure for using it. After that is done the equipment 20,00.00 worth can be rented. once it is established which devices are best, and it can be done.
Then and only then my thoughts are, that at a gathering of Q's where ever that might be the inspection costs could be defrayed by all wanting inspection done.
I tried to get this arranged for Livermore past and got a qoute of 1,000.00 per day plus traveling costs.
I could not get a commitment from enough folks so I aborted the idea at that time.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: rebeccaandtad_simpson <rebeccaandtad_simpson@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 04:51:30 -0000
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT


Damian,
I too am interested. My concern would be the overall costs that are
yet to be determined.... Will await more details....
Tad Simpson



--- In Q-LIST@..., damiantwinsport@a... wrote:

Martin, Voids are easy to detect.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: MartinErni@a...
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Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:53:52 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT


Damian,
I am also interested but feel that foam voids for whatever
reason to be
an even more likely failure cause. Can this testing detect foam
voids?
Earnest Martin







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Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT

REBECCA SIMPSON
 

Damian,
I too am interested. My concern would be the overall costs that are
yet to be determined.... Will await more details....
Tad Simpson



--- In Q-LIST@..., damiantwinsport@a... wrote:

Martin, Voids are easy to detect.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: MartinErni@a...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:53:52 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT


Damian,
I am also interested but feel that foam voids for whatever
reason to be
an even more likely failure cause. Can this testing detect foam
voids?
Earnest Martin


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Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT

damiantwinsport@...
 

Martin, Voids are easy to detect.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: MartinErni@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:53:52 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT


Damian,
I am also interested but feel that foam voids for whatever reason to be
an even more likely failure cause. Can this testing detect foam voids?
Earnest Martin







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Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT

damiantwinsport@...
 

Dave a simple side scan would reveal a delam in the gear to fues joint . A Z axis scan down the gear legs would indeed reveal any delams occurring in the gear legs that are sub surface. As to the tailspring ..... I think it is general consensus that the QAC supplied putruded glass rod is under engineered and should be replaced with steel or a better more delam / fracture resistant part. Peter Harris had some made (hollow) composite that have been used to great success but are no longer available.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave <dave@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:57:18 -0500
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT


I wonder if there would be any value in scanning fiberglass tail
springs, too, even up into the tail? Perhaps some stress risers can be
located before they become an issue.

For us Tri-Q guys, I would also think the UNI tabs added to the main
gear bow would be a good thing to inspect since they carry so much of
the load. They are also tough to get to from the top, but more
accessible from the bottom via the belly board opening.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:38 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT

Dave, thanks for your post.In a word yes using the latest air
multiphasic transducer and software output to a PC one can gain a 360
deg view of the subject area ... in theory. We plan to test the theory
on Postma's broke ass canard soon. I will post the results.
You are correct in my opinion that the control surfaces should be
removed to scan the void between the fues and control surface box.I have
seen fractures appear there upon taxi testing of more than one Q. "
unacceptable"

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave <dave@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:11:02 -0500
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT


Don't take the silence as lack of interest. I know I'm watching what
you are developing as I am sure others are. Once you have done the
research and present your results and propose testing at fly-ins, you
will see the true interest. Understand that the guys might be a little
gun-shy as there have been many people over the years who had said they
would do this and do that and nothing ever comes of it. I, for one,
have met you and know that you are more than capable of following
through with this to a successful conclusion. The group is lucky to
have someone of your experience and training on the trail of looking out
for bad spars.

I have been curious since you have been discussing this as a
possibility, how you envision detecting issues in the forward portion of
the spars that are imbedded in the most foam. Removing the elevators
would give you access to the aft surface of the spar and the upper and
lower surfaces are close to the outer skin of the canard. Will the
transducer be able to "look" around the forward "corner" of the spar to
give you a 360° view of the spar structure? The critical areas found by
Patillo should be easier to see from the inside of the cockpit but,
again, will the forward portion of the spar be visible?

Thanks for your efforts.

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 N825DR

-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT

Folks , / Q group I have dedicated some time to the communities best
interests and have posted progress towards a Non Destructive Testing
(NDT) not invasive or damaging in any way. yet have heard no interest
from group.
I will continue on my path for my own edification and post results and
costs for rental etc. to conduct test and if it is feasible .

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:05:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Phil, maybe you can give me proper Q ditching procedure. I am sure you
would
want the belly board up but after that I am clueless....LOL

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: britmcman@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:22:58 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Catalina (KAVX) runway surface conditions are not suitable for a Q.
You
might want to make a water ditch at Avalon Bay, swim in to shore, and
take the
bus to the airport.
Runway 4/22
Dimensions: 3000 x 75 ft. / 914 x 23 m Surface:
asphalt, in poor condition



Phil Lankford


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Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT

Dave <dave@...>
 

I wonder if there would be any value in scanning fiberglass tail
springs, too, even up into the tail? Perhaps some stress risers can be
located before they become an issue.

For us Tri-Q guys, I would also think the UNI tabs added to the main
gear bow would be a good thing to inspect since they carry so much of
the load. They are also tough to get to from the top, but more
accessible from the bottom via the belly board opening.

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:38 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT

Dave, thanks for your post.In a word yes using the latest air
multiphasic transducer and software output to a PC one can gain a 360
deg view of the subject area ... in theory. We plan to test the theory
on Postma's broke ass canard soon. I will post the results.
You are correct in my opinion that the control surfaces should be
removed to scan the void between the fues and control surface box.I have
seen fractures appear there upon taxi testing of more than one Q. "
unacceptable"

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave <dave@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:11:02 -0500
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT


Don't take the silence as lack of interest. I know I'm watching what
you are developing as I am sure others are. Once you have done the
research and present your results and propose testing at fly-ins, you
will see the true interest. Understand that the guys might be a little
gun-shy as there have been many people over the years who had said they
would do this and do that and nothing ever comes of it. I, for one,
have met you and know that you are more than capable of following
through with this to a successful conclusion. The group is lucky to
have someone of your experience and training on the trail of looking out
for bad spars.

I have been curious since you have been discussing this as a
possibility, how you envision detecting issues in the forward portion of
the spars that are imbedded in the most foam. Removing the elevators
would give you access to the aft surface of the spar and the upper and
lower surfaces are close to the outer skin of the canard. Will the
transducer be able to "look" around the forward "corner" of the spar to
give you a 360° view of the spar structure? The critical areas found by
Patillo should be easier to see from the inside of the cockpit but,
again, will the forward portion of the spar be visible?

Thanks for your efforts.

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 N825DR

-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT

Folks , / Q group I have dedicated some time to the communities best
interests and have posted progress towards a Non Destructive Testing
(NDT) not invasive or damaging in any way. yet have heard no interest
from group.
I will continue on my path for my own edification and post results and
costs for rental etc. to conduct test and if it is feasible .

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:05:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Phil, maybe you can give me proper Q ditching procedure. I am sure you
would
want the belly board up but after that I am clueless....LOL

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: britmcman@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:22:58 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Catalina (KAVX) runway surface conditions are not suitable for a Q.
You
might want to make a water ditch at Avalon Bay, swim in to shore, and
take the
bus to the airport.
Runway 4/22
Dimensions: 3000 x 75 ft. / 914 x 23 m Surface:
asphalt, in poor condition



Phil Lankford


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Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT addendum

damiantwinsport@...
 

Dave, you are right as well about the problem of the foam.Foam will absorb sound waves which poses a problem ... possibly. By controlling / modulating the Mhz as one travels along the taper of the spar one can gather viable info as to whether the spar structure has any anomalies present and where exactly they might be.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:37:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT


Dave, thanks for your post.In a word yes using the latest air multiphasic
transducer and software output to a PC one can gain a 360 deg view of the
subject area ... in theory. We plan to test the theory on Postma's broke ass
canard soon. I will post the results.
You are correct in my opinion that the control surfaces should be removed to
scan the void between the fues and control surface box.I have seen fractures
appear there upon taxi testing of more than one Q. " unacceptable"

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: Dave <dave@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:11:02 -0500
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT


Don't take the silence as lack of interest. I know I'm watching what
you are developing as I am sure others are. Once you have done the
research and present your results and propose testing at fly-ins, you
will see the true interest. Understand that the guys might be a little
gun-shy as there have been many people over the years who had said they
would do this and do that and nothing ever comes of it. I, for one,
have met you and know that you are more than capable of following
through with this to a successful conclusion. The group is lucky to
have someone of your experience and training on the trail of looking out
for bad spars.

I have been curious since you have been discussing this as a
possibility, how you envision detecting issues in the forward portion of
the spars that are imbedded in the most foam. Removing the elevators
would give you access to the aft surface of the spar and the upper and
lower surfaces are close to the outer skin of the canard. Will the
transducer be able to "look" around the forward "corner" of the spar to
give you a 360° view of the spar structure? The critical areas found by
Patillo should be easier to see from the inside of the cockpit but,
again, will the forward portion of the spar be visible?

Thanks for your efforts.

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 N825DR

-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT

Folks , / Q group I have dedicated some time to the communities best
interests and have posted progress towards a Non Destructive Testing
(NDT) not invasive or damaging in any way. yet have heard no interest
from group.
I will continue on my path for my own edification and post results and
costs for rental etc. to conduct test and if it is feasible .

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:05:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Phil, maybe you can give me proper Q ditching procedure. I am sure you
would
want the belly board up but after that I am clueless....LOL

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: britmcman@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:22:58 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Catalina (KAVX) runway surface conditions are not suitable for a Q.
You
might want to make a water ditch at Avalon Bay, swim in to shore, and
take the
bus to the airport.
Runway 4/22
Dimensions: 3000 x 75 ft. / 914 x 23 m Surface:
asphalt, in poor condition



Phil Lankford


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Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT

damiantwinsport@...
 

Dave, thanks for your post.In a word yes using the latest air multiphasic transducer and software output to a PC one can gain a 360 deg view of the subject area ... in theory. We plan to test the theory on Postma's broke ass canard soon. I will post the results.
You are correct in my opinion that the control surfaces should be removed to scan the void between the fues and control surface box.I have seen fractures appear there upon taxi testing of more than one Q. " unacceptable"

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave <dave@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:11:02 -0500
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT


Don't take the silence as lack of interest. I know I'm watching what
you are developing as I am sure others are. Once you have done the
research and present your results and propose testing at fly-ins, you
will see the true interest. Understand that the guys might be a little
gun-shy as there have been many people over the years who had said they
would do this and do that and nothing ever comes of it. I, for one,
have met you and know that you are more than capable of following
through with this to a successful conclusion. The group is lucky to
have someone of your experience and training on the trail of looking out
for bad spars.

I have been curious since you have been discussing this as a
possibility, how you envision detecting issues in the forward portion of
the spars that are imbedded in the most foam. Removing the elevators
would give you access to the aft surface of the spar and the upper and
lower surfaces are close to the outer skin of the canard. Will the
transducer be able to "look" around the forward "corner" of the spar to
give you a 360° view of the spar structure? The critical areas found by
Patillo should be easier to see from the inside of the cockpit but,
again, will the forward portion of the spar be visible?

Thanks for your efforts.

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 N825DR

-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT

Folks , / Q group I have dedicated some time to the communities best
interests and have posted progress towards a Non Destructive Testing
(NDT) not invasive or damaging in any way. yet have heard no interest
from group.
I will continue on my path for my own edification and post results and
costs for rental etc. to conduct test and if it is feasible .

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:05:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Phil, maybe you can give me proper Q ditching procedure. I am sure you
would
want the belly board up but after that I am clueless....LOL

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: britmcman@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:22:58 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Catalina (KAVX) runway surface conditions are not suitable for a Q.
You
might want to make a water ditch at Avalon Bay, swim in to shore, and
take the
bus to the airport.
Runway 4/22
Dimensions: 3000 x 75 ft. / 914 x 23 m Surface:
asphalt, in poor condition



Phil Lankford


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Re: Goin around!

Steve <sham@...>
 

Jim, I just call them LOW PASSES............

Steve Ham

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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT

Dave <dave@...>
 

Don't take the silence as lack of interest. I know I'm watching what
you are developing as I am sure others are. Once you have done the
research and present your results and propose testing at fly-ins, you
will see the true interest. Understand that the guys might be a little
gun-shy as there have been many people over the years who had said they
would do this and do that and nothing ever comes of it. I, for one,
have met you and know that you are more than capable of following
through with this to a successful conclusion. The group is lucky to
have someone of your experience and training on the trail of looking out
for bad spars.

I have been curious since you have been discussing this as a
possibility, how you envision detecting issues in the forward portion of
the spars that are imbedded in the most foam. Removing the elevators
would give you access to the aft surface of the spar and the upper and
lower surfaces are close to the outer skin of the canard. Will the
transducer be able to "look" around the forward "corner" of the spar to
give you a 360° view of the spar structure? The critical areas found by
Patillo should be easier to see from the inside of the cockpit but,
again, will the forward portion of the spar be visible?

Thanks for your efforts.

Dave Richardson
Tri-Q2 N825DR

-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:25 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Ultasonic LS1 NDT

Folks , / Q group I have dedicated some time to the communities best
interests and have posted progress towards a Non Destructive Testing
(NDT) not invasive or damaging in any way. yet have heard no interest
from group.
I will continue on my path for my own edification and post results and
costs for rental etc. to conduct test and if it is feasible .

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:05:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Phil, maybe you can give me proper Q ditching procedure. I am sure you
would
want the belly board up but after that I am clueless....LOL

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: britmcman@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:22:58 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Catalina (KAVX) runway surface conditions are not suitable for a Q.
You
might want to make a water ditch at Avalon Bay, swim in to shore, and
take the
bus to the airport.
Runway 4/22
Dimensions: 3000 x 75 ft. / 914 x 23 m Surface:
asphalt, in poor condition



Phil Lankford







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Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT

damiantwinsport@...
 

Folks , / Q group I have dedicated some time to the communities best interests and have posted progress towards a Non Destructive Testing (NDT) not invasive or damaging in any way. yet have heard no interest from group.
I will continue on my path for my own edification and post results and costs for rental etc. to conduct test and if it is feasible .

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:05:14 -0500
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Phil, maybe you can give me proper Q ditching procedure. I am sure you would
want the belly board up but after that I am clueless....LOL

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200


-----Original Message-----
From: britmcman@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:22:58 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Catalina (KAVX) runway surface conditions are not suitable for a Q. You
might want to make a water ditch at Avalon Bay, swim in to shore, and take the
bus to the airport.
Runway 4/22
Dimensions: 3000 x 75 ft. / 914 x 23 m Surface:
asphalt, in poor condition



Phil Lankford







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Re: Goin around!

damiantwinsport@...
 

Phil, maybe you can give me proper Q ditching procedure. I am sure you would want the belly board up but after that I am clueless....LOL

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: britmcman@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:22:58 EST
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!


Catalina (KAVX) runway surface conditions are not suitable for a Q. You
might want to make a water ditch at Avalon Bay, swim in to shore, and take the
bus to the airport.
Runway 4/22
Dimensions: 3000 x 75 ft. / 914 x 23 m Surface:
asphalt, in poor condition



Phil Lankford







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http://www.quickiebuilders.org


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Re: Ultasonic LS1 NDT

MartinErni@...
 

Damian,
I am also interested but feel that foam voids for whatever reason to be
an even more likely failure cause. Can this testing detect foam voids?
Earnest Martin


Re: Goin around!

Ralph Strahm
 

Barry Schiff addresses the uphill, downhill, upwind,
downwind issue in his book "The Proficient Pilot". He
doesn't provide hard rules, but flushes out the
subject with good common sense.

--- shoskins@... wrote:

Jim and & heartily agree. If it ain't 100% right,
go around.

Runways with a slope are especially treacherous for
Q-2s & Q-200s. Especially
if the wind dictates a downhill landing, or an
uphill takeoff. Maybe there's
some rule of thumb for these situations.

Since we have such long landing rolls anywhoo, the
pucker factor is
exponentially increased.

Sam Hoskins
Murphysboro, IL
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Re: Goin around!

raoborg@...
 

Hi. Are they used on the GU canard? What is the cost? Raoul

--- "James Postma" <james@...> wrote:

From: "James Postma" <james@...>
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:03:28 -0800
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Goin around!
Hello Jim,
If you use my VG's, they will slow your approach by 10 so you
can land there
with no sweat.
Yes I have approved them for the LS-1 canard. Not needed for
rain and bug
protection but nice to land slower.
James Postma
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Steilacoom, Washington
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Patillo" <logistics_engineering@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:19 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Goin around!


This weekend was the first time in 650 hours of flying my Q
that I
ever had to go around,(and did it twice)! Several of us flew
into
Pine Mountain Lake near Yosemite for lunch. The runway is
narrow,
around 3,000'long at 3,000' elevation with the runway sloping
away.
The pine trees are quite tall all around the runway
especially on
the approach end! No room for error.

As I slowed down (85-90K), trying to stay above the trees and
set up
for landing, I could see the runway falling away and touched
down to
far down the runway to stop before going off the end. I tried
to
settle it in with power but the end of the runway was to
close. So
added power for a go around.

Next approach was a little slower but again touched to far
downslope.
Added power and went around again. Damn! Third time was
better and
clearly more sucessful.

I've been into this airport 4-5 times in the past and never
had a
problem. Guess I wasn't dialed in to well on Saturday.

Oh well next time!

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Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

raoborg@...
 

I can copy the set I have. Raoul

--- "rebeccaandtad_simpson" <rebeccaandtad_simpson@...>
wrote:

From: "rebeccaandtad_simpson" <rebeccaandtad_simpson@...>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:54:25 -0000
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for
tandem wing aircraft (long)
So where does one get the plans for adding a T tail ?
--- In Q-LIST@..., Rene Robertson
<q2robertson@y...>
wrote:

There are now 4 out 4 Q's at Abbotsford with T-Tails and 3
are
proven very well flying aircraft with better pitch stability
than
reflexor only Q's.
Thanks James
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

James Postma <james@p...> wrote:
Well Rene's T tail goes like stink and no one can explain
why.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@b...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices
for
tandem
wing aircraft (long)


> Jeff the T tail is a Q2/200 option which has probably not
been
fully
exploited and very few about. Note we should be sharing this
stuff
on the
Q-Performance group not on the Q-LIST.
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Re: NDT on LS1s

damiantwinsport@...
 

Folks, today I attended the Aerospace Test Expo @ the Long Beach convention center. I spoke with several vendors of equipment companies that provide test services. I made arrangements to meet a local guy at the hangar to test if it is possible to inspect Ls1 canards for fractures in the spars. Looks promising .I also found an outfit that rents this equipment just have to define which machine and which transducers are needed to perform operation.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins <shoskins@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:19:26 -0600
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Goin around!


I have probably done five go-arounds this year. No shame here.

Jim, maybe you need to fly a little more.

Sam



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To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Goin around!





This weekend was the first time in 650 hours of flying my Q that I
ever had to go around,(and did it twice)! Several of us flew into
Pine Mountain Lake near Yosemite for lunch. The runway is narrow,
around 3,000'long at 3,000' elevation with the runway sloping away.
The pine trees are quite tall all around the runway especially on
the approach end! No room for error.

As I slowed down (85-90K), trying to stay above the trees and set up
for landing, I could see the runway falling away and touched down to
far down the runway to stop before going off the end. I tried to
settle it in with power but the end of the runway was to close. So
added power for a go around.

Next approach was a little slower but again touched to far downslope.
Added power and went around again. Damn! Third time was better and
clearly more sucessful.

I've been into this airport 4-5 times in the past and never had a
problem. Guess I wasn't dialed in to well on Saturday.

Oh well next time!

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Re: Goin around!

damiantwinsport@...
 

Anyone ever land a Q on Catalina island?

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:31:38 -0000
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Goin around!



James,

My stall speed(if the airspeed indicator is correct)is 64-65 MPH.
Maybe your vortex generators would make my plane go backwards which
would make it even harder when trying to land.

Jim P.

P.S. Sam, the point you made is what I was trying to get across.
Going downhill in this airplane on a short runway needs to be
treated much differently than normal and if you are not on it you
will be OFF IT.


--- In Q-LIST@..., "James Postma" <james@p...> wrote:

David has this dead right on.

As to reducing the stall/ landing speed - you can get it down by
10 with my
VG's. 60 mph is the slowest I have been able to go.

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Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for tandem wing aircraft (long)

REBECCA SIMPSON
 

So where does one get the plans for adding a T tail ?


--- In Q-LIST@..., Rene Robertson <q2robertson@y...>
wrote:

There are now 4 out 4 Q's at Abbotsford with T-Tails and 3 are
proven very well flying aircraft with better pitch stability than
reflexor only Q's.
Thanks James
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

James Postma <james@p...> wrote:
Well Rene's T tail goes like stink and no one can explain why.

James Postma
The Aircraft Factory and School
Steilacoom, Washington
(253) 584-1182 9:00 to 8:00 PDT
(2530 691-2979 cell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Harris" <peterjfharris@b...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: The difficulty of high-lift devices for
tandem
wing aircraft (long)


Jeff the T tail is a Q2/200 option which has probably not been
fully
exploited and very few about. Note we should be sharing this stuff
on the
Q-Performance group not on the Q-LIST.
Peter
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Re: Goin around!

britmcman99
 

Catalina (KAVX) runway surface conditions are not suitable for a Q. You
might want to make a water ditch at Avalon Bay, swim in to shore, and take the
bus to the airport.
Runway 4/22
Dimensions: 3000 x 75 ft. / 914 x 23 m Surface:
asphalt, in poor condition



Phil Lankford


Re: Goin around!

Jim Patillo
 

James,

My stall speed(if the airspeed indicator is correct)is 64-65 MPH.
Maybe your vortex generators would make my plane go backwards which
would make it even harder when trying to land.

Jim P.

P.S. Sam, the point you made is what I was trying to get across.
Going downhill in this airplane on a short runway needs to be
treated much differently than normal and if you are not on it you
will be OFF IT.


--- In Q-LIST@..., "James Postma" <james@p...> wrote:

David has this dead right on.

As to reducing the stall/ landing speed - you can get it down by
10 with my
VG's. 60 mph is the slowest I have been able to go.

James Postma
The Aircraft Factory and School