Re: Styrofoam data sheet
Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
Damian, who was the supplier and how much? This is the kind of info I want to put on the resource page of the QBA site when I get around to it.
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Supplier Name Contact Phone number Address web page Product description Then you can point them to the page instead of having them run around like you did. Doug "Hawkeye" Humble www.asignabove.net Omaha NE N25974
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From: <damiantwinsport@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Styrofoam data sheet Peter , and all I got a hold of a Dow engineer today and he pointed me at a supplier for a micro cell blue billett ordered enough for two wing and canard sets. Phil L and I may be having a foam cutting party.
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Re: Leaky fuel tank
Ron <rondefly@...>
Allan, It is pretty easy to cut a hole in either the top or bottom and
repair the leaks. What resin did you use? I used Aero Poxy which works quite well, I have heard of some going the metal way but don't see any reason to. A real wet layup worked well for me. Ron T _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Allan Farr Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:12 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] Leaky fuel tank Hi. Has anyone replaced the standard main fuel tank with one made of aluminium? I'm thinking it may be the best way to fix the leaks. Allan F Q2 Rev Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org SPONSORED LINKS Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+maintenance&w1=Aviation+mainte nance&w2=Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w4=Av iation+maintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.sig=NYqbfr CRSu-_RfVcTvi4nA> maintenance Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+maintenance+training&w1=Aviati on+maintenance&w2=Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+scho ols&w4=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.s ig=UheaD83XCnCASim3ftrZHw> maintenance training Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w1=Aviatio n+maintenance&w2=Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schoo ls&w4=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.si g=aX8ElLSzXlWeeJ4RuRL4kw> maintenance schools Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w1=Aviatio n+maintenance&w2=Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schoo ls&w4=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.si g=aX8ElLSzXlWeeJ4RuRL4kw> maintenance schools Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation&w1=Aviation+maintenance&w2=Avi ation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w4=Aviation+maint enance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.sig=dx8FsS6KYgxHm3RuBm YoSA> Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+art&w1=Aviation+maintenance&w2 =Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w4=Aviation+m aintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.sig=dRTZGQXiIldZ3q X6IHfOfQ> art _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Q-LIST <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____
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Re: Leaky fuel tank
Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
Damian no I have not seen those fuel cells . They sound safe and light. I mention weight because at the end of the project when you put the bird on the scales it's too late to do much about 5lb here and there and that was my regret. Of crash proofing the Q I would want a quick release canopy as priority 1 maybe some quick release at the hinge so it would blow off . Very hard to open when the hull is inverted.
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From: damiantwinsport@... To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Leaky fuel tank Peter, have you ever picked up a racing fuel cell(empty) they weigh close to nothing 15 gal tank and cell =5 lbs When N8427 crashed it ruptured the main tank at the bottom and spewed fuel everywhere. I don't intend to argue that it is lighter just safer. Like I previously posted others can do what they will. Oh I like toe brakes as well. PS Wasn't there a Q crash and fire resulting in a fatality? Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 -----Original Message----- From: Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 19:35:58 +1000 Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Leaky fuel tank Damian spare a thought about the added weight going that way. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: damiantwinsport@... To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Leaky fuel tank Leon, I don't intend on leaving out the composite seat/ fuel tank I am going to remove that panel and fab an AL shell that I can send to Fuel Safe for bladder construction then bond it in with a urethane structural adhesive,then replace the outer Seat/ tank shell. After many on track mishaps Which all involved heavy masss /velocity forces the cells were damaged but did not leak a drop. Look at F1 cars. I am a little uncomfortable being inside a capsule sitting atop a bunch of fuel. With even more in front of me atop my legs. Guess I would rather carry a few extra pounds and spend bucks than taking a chance of one of my greatest fears ...Fire! When all is said and done it is up to the individual to decide how much safety cushion he designs in and what said person is comfortable with. P. S. Halon is my friend! Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 -----Original Message----- From: Leon - C <leon@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 11:59:56 -0700 Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Leaky fuel tank This subject has come up before here. The general opinion - IIRC - was that it may not be a good idea as the fuel tank was considered to be a structural member. ============================= Leon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Farr" <afarr@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 2:11 AM Subject: [Q-LIST] Leaky fuel tank > Hi. Has anyone replaced the standard main fuel tank with one made of aluminium? I'm thinking it may be the best way to fix the leaks. > Allan F > Q2 Rev > > > > > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site > http://www.quickiebuilders.org > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org SPONSORED LINKS Aviation maintenance Aviation maintenance training Aviation maintenance schools Aviation maintenance schools Aviation Aviation art ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Q-LIST" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org SPONSORED LINKS Aviation maintenance Aviation maintenance training Aviation maintenance schools Aviation maintenance schools Aviation Aviation art ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Q-LIST" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Leaky fuel tank
damiantwinsport@...
That is precisely what I am doing and adding a "Fuel Safe" bladder and anti inversion valve just like a Nascar plumbed up with convoluted terelene hose and AN fittings from Goodridge,
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From: Allan Farr <afarr@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:11:35 +1300 Subject: [Q-LIST] Leaky fuel tank Hi. Has anyone replaced the standard main fuel tank with one made of aluminium? I'm thinking it may be the best way to fix the leaks. Allan F Q2 Rev Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Leaky fuel tank
Allan Farr <afarr@...>
Hi. Has anyone replaced the standard main fuel tank with one made of aluminium? I'm thinking it may be the best way to fix the leaks.
Allan F Q2 Rev
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Re: Previous LS1 Canard Failure
damiantwinsport@...
Jim good going on the canard repair.
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Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200
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From: Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 01:11:08 -0000 Subject: [Q-LIST] Previous LS1 Canard Failure Fellas, Just wanted to report that I finished the yearly condition inspection last week. Everything looked fine. The only repair made was to rework and install Rulon J and LR in the bearing areas; rudder, aileron and elevators. This has completely removed any vertical/horizontal play and the controls are very smooth. I will advise as to their wearability over the next several months. The major LS1 repair made over 400 hours ago appears to be solid and shows no sign of distress or wear and tear. The newly installed Lightspeed 30-3G headsets work very well and the Ipod and telephone transmission/reception is clear and seamless. I still have a couple of areas to work in the future (cowling, plenum, glass panels=less weight)but am still debating the value of reshaped wheel pants for the amount of work required. After comparing many pumped 0200's it appears they all fly very close to the same at high speed cruise and top end no matter what you do. They also tend to be the most reliable, (0200, 0200+). I believe the least amount of work and greatest bang for the buck is had by adding high compression pistons, electronic ignition and the 6 pack. Fuel injection is expensive and a lot of work, and has some trade offs like hard starting when hot. The obvious benefit is how well they sip fuel with FI but you can buy a lot of gas for the difference. Also got a fresh Bi-Annual last week, and still have a year left on the medical, so I think I'll go fly! Regards, Jim Patillo N46JP Q200. P.S. Pat, is there a date and location for the Mountain States Flyin yet? Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Styrofoam data sheet
damiantwinsport@...
Peter , and all I got a hold of a Dow engineer today and he pointed me at a supplier for a micro cell blue billett ordered enough for two wing and canard sets. Phil L and I may be having a foam cutting party.
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From: Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:51:19 +1000 Subject: [Q-LIST] Styrofoam data sheet Damian I have found an info sheet on styrofoam which is (was) made in 7 different grades each designed for a certain application/purpose. Some details..... type IB for panel core and fabrication, LT for low temp panel core, LB for high quality panel core,RTM for refrigerated trucks,HD300F for high load panels and floor inserts,SURF for surfboards, and CRAFT for craft material. I chose LB for the canard remake on my Q. It is fine textured and described as can be cut or planed or hotwire cut for a good bonding surface. Dimensionally stable. Density is 32 KG/M3 (IB is 28) compressive strength is 300KN/M2 (IB is 250) tensile strength is 500 KPA (IB is 450) The temp range of all of them is -50 to +75C There is a lot more data. This stuff is very different from the orange coarse foam originally used. We experimented and decided not to precoat it with micro which is used to fill the coarse orange foam. I got my product from Aerodynamic Developments Ltd down here it was imported from the states in billets 2400mm x 600 x 75 to 150mm thick made by Dow. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: damiantwinsport@... To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks Thanks,Nomenclature is everything . Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:18:44 -0700 Subject: Re: Fw: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks The actual term is "Buoyancy Billet", and can also be found at insulation products distributors. Call around! Larry Hamm oneskydog@... wrote: > > In a message dated 1/24/2006 9:44:16 AM Mountain Standard Time, > paulbuckley@... writes: > > That name may be 'DOW PLASTICS' > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Buckley > To: Q-LIST@... > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks > > > I believe that the blue foam is made by 'DOW CHEMICALS' and is sold as > 'flotation billets', in different sizes. > > Paul Buckley > Cheshire > England > > > > > Paul, and all, > Correct DOW owns the name "Styrofoam" Flotation billets are the product DOW > made both blue and orange flotation billets. apparently Q's used orange > billets and D'flies use blue billets. Go to a marine distributor and give him > your sizes needed for your dock. > > Extruded polystyrene apx 2 lb density orange or blue. Caution: Bead board is > white polystyrene pellets expanded with steam and is not suitable for > structural core. > > Regards, > > Charlie a.k.a. One Sky Dog > Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Q-LIST" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks
damiantwinsport@...
Ron yer killin me ! I bought spars so I could build an LS1.
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Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200
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From: Ron <rondefly@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:09:03 -0800 Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks Hey Damian, If you have a ¼" spaced mastic trowel you wont have to rough up the leading edge on the GU canard to stop the rain problem. That way you would have a different design. HaHa Ron Triano <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10.html> http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10.html _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Peter Harris Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:01 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks Damian I used a suggestion by Pat. Apply the micro with a serrated scraper so the glass is visible and can apply evenly and very easy to sand. Then apply another coat of micro just enough to fill the grooves and final sand not too heavy. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: damiantwinsport@... To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks Thanks Brad, Good info. We don"t like to fill and sand too much. Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 -----Original Message----- From: Brad/Iris Baerg <brirbrg@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:25:06 -0800 Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks ----- Original Message ----- From: <damiantwinsport@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks > Thanks,Nomenclature is everything . > > Regards, > Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 The product is Styreen foam and is manufactured by Dow Chemical under the trade name "Styrafoam" Be careful what you are ordering. Some orange foams come in extruded billets, which are of poor quality for your use. They have a slightly curved surface, are smooth (melted) on the outside, and the cell size is not uniform .Usually called flotation billet. The billets you want come in 10" x 20" x8'( if memory serves me), are sawn from larger billets, have a uniform cell size, is blue in colour, and is usually called Fabrication Fillet. Your part will considerably lighter if you use the sawn billets, as you will use much less micro to fill the cells. Brad Q2 CGTCA Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org SPONSORED LINKS Aviation maintenance Aviation maintenance training Aviation maintenance schools Aviation maintenance schools Aviation Aviation art ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Q-LIST" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Q-LIST <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks
damiantwinsport@...
Peter I use a long rubber squeegee with a round head brad stuck in both ends then I only have two voids to fill and a long smooth surface in between .
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From: Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:00:44 +1000 Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks Damian I used a suggestion by Pat. Apply the micro with a serrated scraper so the glass is visible and can apply evenly and very easy to sand. Then apply another coat of micro just enough to fill the grooves and final sand not too heavy. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: damiantwinsport@... To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks Thanks Brad, Good info. We don"t like to fill and sand too much. Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 -----Original Message----- From: Brad/Iris Baerg <brirbrg@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:25:06 -0800 Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks ----- Original Message ----- From: <damiantwinsport@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks > Thanks,Nomenclature is everything . > > Regards, > Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 The product is Styreen foam and is manufactured by Dow Chemical under the trade name "Styrafoam" Be careful what you are ordering. Some orange foams come in extruded billets, which are of poor quality for your use. They have a slightly curved surface, are smooth (melted) on the outside, and the cell size is not uniform .Usually called flotation billet. The billets you want come in 10" x 20" x8'( if memory serves me), are sawn from larger billets, have a uniform cell size, is blue in colour, and is usually called Fabrication Fillet. Your part will considerably lighter if you use the sawn billets, as you will use much less micro to fill the cells. Brad Q2 CGTCA Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org SPONSORED LINKS Aviation maintenance Aviation maintenance training Aviation maintenance schools Aviation maintenance schools Aviation Aviation art ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Q-LIST" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks
Thomas O'Grady <ogrady@...>
Actually, the "Buoyancy Billets" shipped with the original Q-2 kits in 1982 had the orange foam, exactly as you describe. I still have the outer surface with the markings down in the basement.
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On Jan 24, 2006, at 9:25 PM, Brad/Iris Baerg wrote:
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Re: Garmin 296
Which one do you have? My 295 was hard to read in direct sunlight but
the 296 works better when the sun is shining directly on it. It is very clear and easy to read. Jim Patillo --- In Q-LIST@..., Michel Moreau <mjmorea@v...> wrote: canopy under bright sunlight? I can hardly read mine and almost wish I had ablack and white display.....ask builthim to update the data base before you get it. This unit has a itsin charger in it when supplied with A/C power. It's neat because thealways topped off if you need to use it battery only. Hopefullysteel on steel and the steel on phenolic points wearing out. pivotthis solves the problem as it would be a bitch to replace the theshafts. Everything is now solid as it should be! I've found all monthQ's around here has the same problem. likeuntil I'm finished. She is now driving one of those large trucks you drive. This should be interesting.
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Re: Garmin 296
Hi Micheal,
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I haven't flown with my 296 yet so can't give you any pointers. Does it help to turn off the back lighting in the sunlight or turn on the lighting? Bruce -- Michel Moreau <mjmorea@...> wrote: Bruce, Jim, Do you have a recipe for using a Garmin 296 or 396 in a buble canopy under bright sunlight? I can hardly read mine and almost wish I had a black and white display..... MichelM C-GQTU
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Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
raoborg@...
Hi Steve! anything on the rulon yet? Tks Raoul
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--- "steve" <sham@...> wrote: From: "steve" <sham@...> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 22:33:33 -0500 To: <Q-LIST@...> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings Thanks Raoul, I will call tomorrow and get prices and let you know. Thanks Steve Ham
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From: raoborg@... To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings Hi Steve if you need some people to go with you on the buy of the Rulon let me know, I am looking to get some too. Raoul --- "steve" <sham@...> wrote: From: "steve" <sham@...> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:07:12 -0500 To: <Q-LIST@...> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Patillo To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego Plastics. They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better source?? Steve Ham As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around this airport, including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount of play, depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the Teflon bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been your results. JP Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org SPONSORED LINKS Aviation maintenance Aviation maintenance training Aviation maintenance schools Aviation maintenance schools Aviation Aviation art __________________________________________________________ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Q-LIST" on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org SPONSORED LINKS Aviation maintenance Aviation maintenance training Aviation maintenance schools Aviation maintenance schools Aviation Aviation art --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Q-LIST" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org __________________________________________________________ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Q-LIST" on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________ Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
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Re: Garmin 296
Bruce, Jim,
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From: "Jim Patillo" <logistics_engineering@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:55 PM Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Garmin 296
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Re: Previous LS1 Canard Failure
Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
P.S. Pat, is there a date and location for the Mountain States FlyinNot yet. Pat
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Previous LS1 Canard Failure
Fellas,
Just wanted to report that I finished the yearly condition inspection last week. Everything looked fine. The only repair made was to rework and install Rulon J and LR in the bearing areas; rudder, aileron and elevators. This has completely removed any vertical/horizontal play and the controls are very smooth. I will advise as to their wearability over the next several months. The major LS1 repair made over 400 hours ago appears to be solid and shows no sign of distress or wear and tear. The newly installed Lightspeed 30-3G headsets work very well and the Ipod and telephone transmission/reception is clear and seamless. I still have a couple of areas to work in the future (cowling, plenum, glass panels=less weight)but am still debating the value of reshaped wheel pants for the amount of work required. After comparing many pumped 0200's it appears they all fly very close to the same at high speed cruise and top end no matter what you do. They also tend to be the most reliable, (0200, 0200+). I believe the least amount of work and greatest bang for the buck is had by adding high compression pistons, electronic ignition and the 6 pack. Fuel injection is expensive and a lot of work, and has some trade offs like hard starting when hot. The obvious benefit is how well they sip fuel with FI but you can buy a lot of gas for the difference. Also got a fresh Bi-Annual last week, and still have a year left on the medical, so I think I'll go fly! Regards, Jim Patillo N46JP Q200. P.S. Pat, is there a date and location for the Mountain States Flyin yet?
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Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks
Ron <rondefly@...>
Hey Damian, If you have a ¼” spaced mastic trowel you wont have to rough up
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the leading edge on the GU canard to stop the rain problem. That way you would have a different design. HaHa Ron Triano <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10.html> http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10.html _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Peter Harris Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:01 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks Damian I used a suggestion by Pat. Apply the micro with a serrated scraper so the glass is visible and can apply evenly and very easy to sand. Then apply another coat of micro just enough to fill the grooves and final sand not too heavy. Peter
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From: damiantwinsport@... To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks Thanks Brad, Good info. We don"t like to fill and sand too much. Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 -----Original Message----- From: Brad/Iris Baerg <brirbrg@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:25:06 -0800 Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks ----- Original Message ----- From: <damiantwinsport@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks > Thanks,Nomenclature is everything . > > Regards, > Damian Gregory N8427 Q200 The product is Styreen foam and is manufactured by Dow Chemical under the trade name "Styrafoam" Be careful what you are ordering. Some orange foams come in extruded billets, which are of poor quality for your use. They have a slightly curved surface, are smooth (melted) on the outside, and the cell size is not uniform .Usually called flotation billet. The billets you want come in 10" x 20" x8'( if memory serves me), are sawn from larger billets, have a uniform cell size, is blue in colour, and is usually called Fabrication Fillet. Your part will considerably lighter if you use the sawn billets, as you will use much less micro to fill the cells. Brad Q2 CGTCA Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org SPONSORED LINKS Aviation maintenance Aviation maintenance training Aviation maintenance schools Aviation maintenance schools Aviation Aviation art ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "Q-LIST" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Q-LIST <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____
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Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks
Larry
You got that right!!!!!!
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Larry Baxter Q-Vair-in-progress
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From: Jim Patillo<mailto:logistics_engineering@...> To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks Oh yes! and the 4th type of pilotis the one who bought someone elses mess and had to rework most of it! Regards, Jim Patillo -- In Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>, "Jim Patillo" <logistics_engineering@m<mailto:logistics_engineering@m>...> wrote: > > > Chris, > > First congratulations on the startup! Watch to make sure you do not > overheat the cylinders (don't get them over 375-400 degrees on these > little forays). Make sure you calibrate and have accurate oil temp > and CHT gauges. Break the engine in according to the Continental > manual and you won't have any problems. Note: Glazing cylinders on a > new engine is a bummer. Just ask Mark Summers. > > It is not recommended but I ran mine several hours on the ground. I > did a complete rebuild myself and did not want surprises. As of 700 > hours of continual use, I've not had any problems. > > O200's leak oil and they make noise when turned by hand, but just > remember an 0200 is pretty bullet proof. That's why they use them in > Cessna trainer airplanes. You really got to screw up to really screw > up. > > If you have mags that are both impulse coupled you will hear two > simetaneous clicks. That is a good thing. You will also feel front to > back end play when pushing on the prop. You also hear the valves > opening and closing but I'm not sure how much you can hear the > hydraulic lifters. > > There are four kinds of pilots in this group. Those who bought flying > airplanes, those who bought flying airplanes and decided to tear them > apart and spend the next several years wishing they hadn't and those > who built them from scratch. Which are you? > > I was reminded again this weekend of the latter category (visiting > Sam Kittle and his airplane) and what a lot of work it really is. I > spent around 4000 hours on mine and honestly don't think I would have > the stamina to do it again. The rewards are great but the time > required is incredible. > > How close to flight are you? > > Regards, > Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 > > > --- In Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>, "chris rayner" <chris-rayner@b<mailto:chris-rayner@b>...> > wrote: > > > > Guys, my "hand-start O-200" starts and runs fine - about 30 minutes > so far on my driveway. It has a few oil drips - seem to be from one > mag and the oil tank gaskets. Probably need to re-tighten or re- seat > them. However, as I have never worked with the O-200 before, I could > do with some advice on what are normal sounds when it is turned over > by hand. I expect, and get the clicks from the impulse coupling at > the right time, but I also get other clonks when it is turned over > slowly. These are at the same point each rotation and I can only > think of the hydraulic tappets that could cause the noise. Do they > normally (or often) do that; does it matter and is it something that > goes away when the oil pressure builds up? I can't hear it when the > engine is running, but there's other stuff going on then! > > > > Thanks for advice from anyone with more experience than me on these > engines. > > > > An observation - it sure is a closely cowled installation. A small > impact lump and cracked paint has appeared on the cowling over the #4 > cylinder rocker cover - top front corner. Also needed to clamp the > plug lead down tight on that cylinder to avoid it rubbing inside the > cowl, even with the short REM37BY plugs. The engine sounds great > though. > > > > Chris Rayner (trying to recover from standing behind a very > powerful fan at near freezing temperatures). > > > > > > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org<http://www.quickiebuilders.org/> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks
damiantwinsport@...
Does the 4th dimension include crashed messes?
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Regards, Damian Gregory N8427 Q200
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From: larry severson <larry2@...> To: Q-LIST@...; Q-LIST@... Sent: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:20:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks That is me. Every time I think that I have solved the last mess,Oh yes! and the 4th type of pilotis the one who bought someone elses something comes up. I think that I am a couple days away from first flight, as I have for the past 900 hours of re-working. I just hope that it will not consume another year. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks
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Well Larry, I guess we must enjoy building them as I am not getting much
flying one yet. I am seeing what Jim and the others keep saying about just build it per plans. Just that there are to many great new things available than were when they built theirs. Ron Triano <http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10.html> http://bld01.ipowerweb.com/contentmanagement/websites/rtrianoc/page10.html _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of larry severson Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 8:20 AM To: Q-LIST@...; Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: O-200 Clicks and Clonks That is me. Every time I think that I have solved the last mess,Oh yes! and the 4th type of pilotis the one who bought someone elses something comes up. I think that I am a couple days away from first flight, as I have for the past 900 hours of re-working. I just hope that it will not consume another year. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org SPONSORED LINKS Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+maintenance&w1=Aviation+mainte nance&w2=Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w4=Av iation+maintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.sig=NYqbfr CRSu-_RfVcTvi4nA> maintenance Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+maintenance+training&w1=Aviati on+maintenance&w2=Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+scho ols&w4=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.s ig=UheaD83XCnCASim3ftrZHw> maintenance training Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w1=Aviatio n+maintenance&w2=Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schoo ls&w4=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.si g=aX8ElLSzXlWeeJ4RuRL4kw> maintenance schools Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w1=Aviatio n+maintenance&w2=Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schoo ls&w4=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.si g=aX8ElLSzXlWeeJ4RuRL4kw> maintenance schools Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation&w1=Aviation+maintenance&w2=Avi ation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w4=Aviation+maint enance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.sig=dx8FsS6KYgxHm3RuBm YoSA> Aviation <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Aviation+art&w1=Aviation+maintenance&w2 =Aviation+maintenance+training&w3=Aviation+maintenance+schools&w4=Aviation+m aintenance+schools&w5=Aviation&w6=Aviation+art&c=6&s=161&.sig=dRTZGQXiIldZ3q X6IHfOfQ> art _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "Q-LIST <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service. _____
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