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Re: Gap Seal

steve <sham@...>
 

Jim,
I read an article about a year ago about how the Germans create a "gap seal" on their hand crafted composite gliders.
I took duct tape and ran 1 layer the length on the back radius of my control surfaces ie rudder, elevators and aleirons. Then one layer of clear packing tape. Filled in the channel with micro...the reinstalled the control surface. took a squegee and cleaned off the surface.
Move the surface back and forth, let it set up. Then take the control surface off and remove the tape. Lightly sand the rough spots and then reinstall the surface.
You end up with about 1/16 of an inch clearance. Makes a real nice fit.

Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Gap Seal



Steve,

Where do I get gap seal? Does it go on top and bottom of elevator
and aileron?

Jim
--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
>
> Jim,
> Thanks for the info.I thought while I had my Q down for repaint
and update I would replace the bushings. I found (like you) that I
had play in my control surfaces. I have been filling my gaps seals
so I have about 1/16 of space between my control surfaces and
wing/canard. Replacing my bushings will allow this tight tolerance
to move smoothly.
>
> Steve Ham
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Patillo
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:38 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
> I too have done a little research in this area. Rulon makes many
> types of bearing materials for industrial, medical and food
> equipment applications.
>
> Rulon "LR" is maroon in color and "J" is dull gold. I used LR
for
> the inboard bearings and J for the outer bearings. I'm doing
this to
> compare the two materials for wear and tear and longest life.
Both
> have a 0% water absorbtion rate in 24 hours and excellent
> heating/cooling qualities. LR has been around for a long time
and
> typically used as a bearing material. J is also used as a
bearing
> material and is suppose to work better with mild steel.
>
> I will be happy to work with Doug and publish a report when I
get a
> little time on the bearings and can make a definitive statement.
>
> In the meantime, there are many suppliers of this stuff but most
> have minimum orders or are higher priced than the vendor I
> suggested.
>
> Farnam and I disagree on what is acceptable and what is not
> regarding looseness but I think this is an area on the Q that
needs
> improvement. I don't want any vibration in my control surfaces
and
> the fact that the fixed steel surfaces are wearing is not good.
>
> My airplane now has very smooth control surfaces with no
measurable
> deflection at the bearings.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim Patillo N46JP Q200
>
> P.S. The Lightspeed 30 3G's work great and being able to talk on
the
> phone with no background noise is nice. They are an improvement
over
> the 25XL's.
>
>
> --- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Bob, I have noticed they have several grades of Rulon.
I
> believe the maroon color material is bearing grade. I'll check
into
> this.
> > Thanks, Steve Ham
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bob Farnam
> > To: Q-LIST@...
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:33 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
> >
> >
> > You can also check out McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com .
> >
> > Bob F.
> > N200QK
> > EAA Flight Advisor
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-
LIST@...]On
> Behalf Of
> > Jim Patillo
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:30 PM
> > To: Q-LIST@...
> > Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
> >
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > Try Applied Industrial Technologies. Do not tell them it
is
> for an
> > airplane or they won't help you. Their website is
applied.com.
> The
> > local phone number is 510-770-1209 but they are a
nationwide
> > company, formerly known as King Bearing. Jason is my
contact.
> The
> > part number for the outer bushing is DRJF040603. The inner
> bushing
> > is BJ4F081208.
> >
> > Since I have not tried these bushings for any length of
time I
> > cannot vouch for their reliability. Hope this helps. There
is
> no
> > minimum order.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jim Patillo
> >
> > --- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jim Patillo
> > > To: Q-LIST@...
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
> > > Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
> > >
> > > Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego
> Plastics.
> > They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better
> source??
> > >
> > > Steve Ham
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies
around
> this
> > airport,
> > > including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good
amount
> of
> > play,
> > > depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with
the
> Teflon
> > > bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has
been
> your
> > > results.
> > >
> > > JP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Gap Seal

Jim Patillo
 

Steve,

Where do I get gap seal? Does it go on top and bottom of elevator
and aileron?

Jim
--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:

Jim,
Thanks for the info.I thought while I had my Q down for repaint
and update I would replace the bushings. I found (like you) that I
had play in my control surfaces. I have been filling my gaps seals
so I have about 1/16 of space between my control surfaces and
wing/canard. Replacing my bushings will allow this tight tolerance
to move smoothly.

Steve Ham
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings



Steve,

I too have done a little research in this area. Rulon makes many
types of bearing materials for industrial, medical and food
equipment applications.

Rulon "LR" is maroon in color and "J" is dull gold. I used LR
for
the inboard bearings and J for the outer bearings. I'm doing
this to
compare the two materials for wear and tear and longest life.
Both
have a 0% water absorbtion rate in 24 hours and excellent
heating/cooling qualities. LR has been around for a long time
and
typically used as a bearing material. J is also used as a
bearing
material and is suppose to work better with mild steel.

I will be happy to work with Doug and publish a report when I
get a
little time on the bearings and can make a definitive statement.

In the meantime, there are many suppliers of this stuff but most
have minimum orders or are higher priced than the vendor I
suggested.

Farnam and I disagree on what is acceptable and what is not
regarding looseness but I think this is an area on the Q that
needs
improvement. I don't want any vibration in my control surfaces
and
the fact that the fixed steel surfaces are wearing is not good.

My airplane now has very smooth control surfaces with no
measurable
deflection at the bearings.

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. The Lightspeed 30 3G's work great and being able to talk on
the
phone with no background noise is nice. They are an improvement
over
the 25XL's.


--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob, I have noticed they have several grades of Rulon.
I
believe the maroon color material is bearing grade. I'll check
into
this.
> Thanks, Steve Ham
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Farnam
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
>
> You can also check out McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com .
>
> Bob F.
> N200QK
> EAA Flight Advisor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-
LIST@...]On
Behalf Of
> Jim Patillo
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:30 PM
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
> Try Applied Industrial Technologies. Do not tell them it
is
for an
> airplane or they won't help you. Their website is
applied.com.
The
> local phone number is 510-770-1209 but they are a
nationwide
> company, formerly known as King Bearing. Jason is my
contact.
The
> part number for the outer bushing is DRJF040603. The inner
bushing
> is BJ4F081208.
>
> Since I have not tried these bushings for any length of
time I
> cannot vouch for their reliability. Hope this helps. There
is
no
> minimum order.
>
> Regards,
> Jim Patillo
>
> --- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Patillo
> > To: Q-LIST@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
> > Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
> >
> > Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego
Plastics.
> They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better
source??
> >
> > Steve Ham
> >
> >
> >
> > As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies
around
this
> airport,
> > including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good
amount
of
> play,
> > depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with
the
Teflon
> > bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has
been
your
> > results.
> >
> > JP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

steve <sham@...>
 

Jim,
Thanks for the info.I thought while I had my Q down for repaint and update I would replace the bushings. I found (like you) that I had play in my control surfaces. I have been filling my gaps seals so I have about 1/16 of space between my control surfaces and wing/canard. Replacing my bushings will allow this tight tolerance to move smoothly.

Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:38 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings



Steve,

I too have done a little research in this area. Rulon makes many
types of bearing materials for industrial, medical and food
equipment applications.

Rulon "LR" is maroon in color and "J" is dull gold. I used LR for
the inboard bearings and J for the outer bearings. I'm doing this to
compare the two materials for wear and tear and longest life. Both
have a 0% water absorbtion rate in 24 hours and excellent
heating/cooling qualities. LR has been around for a long time and
typically used as a bearing material. J is also used as a bearing
material and is suppose to work better with mild steel.

I will be happy to work with Doug and publish a report when I get a
little time on the bearings and can make a definitive statement.

In the meantime, there are many suppliers of this stuff but most
have minimum orders or are higher priced than the vendor I
suggested.

Farnam and I disagree on what is acceptable and what is not
regarding looseness but I think this is an area on the Q that needs
improvement. I don't want any vibration in my control surfaces and
the fact that the fixed steel surfaces are wearing is not good.

My airplane now has very smooth control surfaces with no measurable
deflection at the bearings.

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. The Lightspeed 30 3G's work great and being able to talk on the
phone with no background noise is nice. They are an improvement over
the 25XL's.


--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob, I have noticed they have several grades of Rulon. I
believe the maroon color material is bearing grade. I'll check into
this.
> Thanks, Steve Ham
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Farnam
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
>
> You can also check out McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com .
>
> Bob F.
> N200QK
> EAA Flight Advisor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On
Behalf Of
> Jim Patillo
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:30 PM
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
>
>
> Steve,
>
> Try Applied Industrial Technologies. Do not tell them it is
for an
> airplane or they won't help you. Their website is applied.com.
The
> local phone number is 510-770-1209 but they are a nationwide
> company, formerly known as King Bearing. Jason is my contact.
The
> part number for the outer bushing is DRJF040603. The inner
bushing
> is BJ4F081208.
>
> Since I have not tried these bushings for any length of time I
> cannot vouch for their reliability. Hope this helps. There is
no
> minimum order.
>
> Regards,
> Jim Patillo
>
> --- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Patillo
> > To: Q-LIST@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
> > Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
> >
> > Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego
Plastics.
> They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better
source??
> >
> > Steve Ham
> >
> >
> >
> > As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around
this
> airport,
> > including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount
of
> play,
> > depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the
Teflon
> > bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been
your
> > results.
> >
> > JP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quickie Builders Association WEB site
> http://www.quickiebuilders.org
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

Jim Patillo
 

Steve,

I too have done a little research in this area. Rulon makes many
types of bearing materials for industrial, medical and food
equipment applications.

Rulon "LR" is maroon in color and "J" is dull gold. I used LR for
the inboard bearings and J for the outer bearings. I'm doing this to
compare the two materials for wear and tear and longest life. Both
have a 0% water absorbtion rate in 24 hours and excellent
heating/cooling qualities. LR has been around for a long time and
typically used as a bearing material. J is also used as a bearing
material and is suppose to work better with mild steel.

I will be happy to work with Doug and publish a report when I get a
little time on the bearings and can make a definitive statement.

In the meantime, there are many suppliers of this stuff but most
have minimum orders or are higher priced than the vendor I
suggested.

Farnam and I disagree on what is acceptable and what is not
regarding looseness but I think this is an area on the Q that needs
improvement. I don't want any vibration in my control surfaces and
the fact that the fixed steel surfaces are wearing is not good.

My airplane now has very smooth control surfaces with no measurable
deflection at the bearings.

Regards,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200

P.S. The Lightspeed 30 3G's work great and being able to talk on the
phone with no background noise is nice. They are an improvement over
the 25XL's.


--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:

Thanks Bob, I have noticed they have several grades of Rulon. I
believe the maroon color material is bearing grade. I'll check into
this.
Thanks, Steve Ham
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Farnam
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings


You can also check out McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com .

Bob F.
N200QK
EAA Flight Advisor

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On
Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:30 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings



Steve,

Try Applied Industrial Technologies. Do not tell them it is
for an
airplane or they won't help you. Their website is applied.com.
The
local phone number is 510-770-1209 but they are a nationwide
company, formerly known as King Bearing. Jason is my contact.
The
part number for the outer bushing is DRJF040603. The inner
bushing
is BJ4F081208.

Since I have not tried these bushings for any length of time I
cannot vouch for their reliability. Hope this helps. There is
no
minimum order.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Patillo
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
> Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego
Plastics.
They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better
source??
>
> Steve Ham
>
>
>
> As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around
this
airport,
> including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount
of
play,
> depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the
Teflon
> bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been
your
> results.
>
> JP
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: Gap Seal

Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
 

Jim we should be able to get some good insight on this from the glider builders.
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:37 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Gap Seal



Guys,

I saw a Glasair III at Oshkosh in 2004 that had gap seals about 3/4-1"
wide that were made of thin white plastic. One half of the seal had
tape underneath and was stuck to the main part of the wing, the other
half simply went across the gap and rested on the control surface. The
plastic gap seal had a slight bend at center line to keep it tight to
the control surface. I would rally like to find the manufacturer.

Does anyone have any flying experience with gap seals on a Q200? If so
how well did it work and what were the results?

Thanks,

Jim Patillo N46JP Q200






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Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

damiantwinsport@...
 

I am in there too ,

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

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Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:06:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings


Hi Steve if you need some people to go with you on the buy of the Rulon let me
know, I am looking to get some too. Raoul

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:07:12 -0500
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego
Plastics. They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a
better source??
Steve Ham
As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around this
airport,
including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount of
play,
depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the
Teflon
bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been
your
results.
JP


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Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

This would make a great article for the newsletter Jim. If I can help make it easier on you, let me know!

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
N25974

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Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings


Jim,
Could you put an article and pictures in the newsletter of the bushings that you used. I am interested and would like to be clear on the technique and ordering sizes etc.
Bruski

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Bruce Crain
 

Jim,
Could you put an article and pictures in the newsletter of the bushings that you used. I am interested and would like to be clear on the technique and ordering sizes etc.
Bruski

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Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

steve <sham@...>
 

Thanks Bob, I have noticed they have several grades of Rulon. I believe the maroon color material is bearing grade. I'll check into this.
Thanks, Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Farnam
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 7:33 PM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings


You can also check out McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com .

Bob F.
N200QK
EAA Flight Advisor

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:30 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings



Steve,

Try Applied Industrial Technologies. Do not tell them it is for an
airplane or they won't help you. Their website is applied.com. The
local phone number is 510-770-1209 but they are a nationwide
company, formerly known as King Bearing. Jason is my contact. The
part number for the outer bushing is DRJF040603. The inner bushing
is BJ4F081208.

Since I have not tried these bushings for any length of time I
cannot vouch for their reliability. Hope this helps. There is no
minimum order.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Patillo
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
> Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego Plastics.
They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better source??
>
> Steve Ham
>
>
>
> As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around this
airport,
> including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount of
play,
> depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the Teflon
> bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been your
> results.
>
> JP
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

steve <sham@...>
 

Thanks Jim, I'll call tomorrow. I have bought many parts for my "airboat" in the past.

Thanks Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
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To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:30 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings



Steve,

Try Applied Industrial Technologies. Do not tell them it is for an
airplane or they won't help you. Their website is applied.com. The
local phone number is 510-770-1209 but they are a nationwide
company, formerly known as King Bearing. Jason is my contact. The
part number for the outer bushing is DRJF040603. The inner bushing
is BJ4F081208.

Since I have not tried these bushings for any length of time I
cannot vouch for their reliability. Hope this helps. There is no
minimum order.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Patillo
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
> Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego Plastics.
They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better source??
>
> Steve Ham
>
>
>
> As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around this
airport,
> including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount of
play,
> depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the Teflon
> bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been your
> results.
>
> JP
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

steve <sham@...>
 

Thanks Raoul, I will call tomorrow and get prices and let you know.

Thanks Steve Ham

----- Original Message -----
From: raoborg@...
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings


Hi Steve if you need some people to go with you on the buy of the Rulon let me know, I am looking to get some too. Raoul

--- "steve" <sham@...> wrote:

From: "steve" <sham@...>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:07:12 -0500
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego
Plastics. They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a
better source??
Steve Ham
As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around this
airport,
including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount of
play,
depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the
Teflon
bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been
your
results.
JP


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Re: LS! peices( Leon)

Leon - C <leon@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
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To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] LS! peices( Leon)


Leon do you have the metal parts for an LS1 canard? Like the center
support ? Or accurate drawings of them?
Been a while since I messed with the Q2/200. Do you have the QAC part
number for the pieces you are looking for? I - did - at one time have some
of this redone in CAD. If I can't find the files I could probably
regenerate the needed drawings without too much trouble.
===============
Leon McAtee
Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

Jim Patillo
 

McMaster-Carr has them but at three times the price.
Jim
--- In Q-LIST@..., "Bob Farnam" <bfarnam@p...> wrote:

You can also check out McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com .

Bob F.
N200QK
EAA Flight Advisor

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On
Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:30 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings



Steve,

Try Applied Industrial Technologies. Do not tell them it is for an
airplane or they won't help you. Their website is applied.com. The
local phone number is 510-770-1209 but they are a nationwide
company, formerly known as King Bearing. Jason is my contact. The
part number for the outer bushing is DRJF040603. The inner bushing
is BJ4F081208.

Since I have not tried these bushings for any length of time I
cannot vouch for their reliability. Hope this helps. There is no
minimum order.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Patillo
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
> Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego Plastics.
They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better source??
>
> Steve Ham
>
>
>
> As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around this
airport,
> including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount of
play,
> depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the Teflon
> bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been your
> results.
>
> JP
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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Bob Farnam <bfarnam@...>
 

You can also check out McMaster-Carr www.mcmaster.com .

Bob F.
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EAA Flight Advisor

-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]On Behalf Of
Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:30 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings



Steve,

Try Applied Industrial Technologies. Do not tell them it is for an
airplane or they won't help you. Their website is applied.com. The
local phone number is 510-770-1209 but they are a nationwide
company, formerly known as King Bearing. Jason is my contact. The
part number for the outer bushing is DRJF040603. The inner bushing
is BJ4F081208.

Since I have not tried these bushings for any length of time I
cannot vouch for their reliability. Hope this helps. There is no
minimum order.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Patillo
> To: Q-LIST@...
> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
> Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
>
> Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego Plastics.
They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better source??
>
> Steve Ham
>
>
>
> As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around this
airport,
> including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount of
play,
> depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the Teflon
> bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been your
> results.
>
> JP
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

Jim Patillo
 

Steve,

Try Applied Industrial Technologies. Do not tell them it is for an
airplane or they won't help you. Their website is applied.com. The
local phone number is 510-770-1209 but they are a nationwide
company, formerly known as King Bearing. Jason is my contact. The
part number for the outer bushing is DRJF040603. The inner bushing
is BJ4F081208.

Since I have not tried these bushings for any length of time I
cannot vouch for their reliability. Hope this helps. There is no
minimum order.

Regards,
Jim Patillo

--- In Q-LIST@..., "steve" <sham@i...> wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego Plastics.
They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a better source??

Steve Ham



As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around this
airport,
including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount of
play,
depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the Teflon
bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been your
results.

JP




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Great Plains RDS Type IV

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

http://images.rotarynews.com/docs/ContactIssue72.pdf

Scroll down to page 16.

Pat

Hi anyone with type 4 vw engine that would be interested in the RDS (REAR
DRIVE SYSTEMS)that Great Plains was working on? It looks like a great way
to go. Raoul
Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

raoborg@...
 

Hi Steve if you need some people to go with you on the buy of the Rulon let me know, I am looking to get some too. Raoul

--- "steve" <sham@...> wrote:

From: "steve" <sham@...>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:07:12 -0500
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Patillo
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator and Aileron Bushings
Jim, I found a source for Rulon bushing at San Diego
Plastics. They have minimum orders of $75.00 Have you got a
better source??
Steve Ham
As I said earlier, I've checked all the Quickies around this
airport,
including Farnams' and they all have a fair to good amount of
play,
depending on hours of usage. Has any one flown with the
Teflon
bushings Farnam is suggesting we use? If so what has been
your
results.
JP


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Re: FW: Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

raoborg@...
 

Hi anyone with type 4 vw engine that would be interested in the RDS (REAR DRIVE SYSTEMS)that Great Plains was working on? It looks like a great way to go. Raoul

--- "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@...>
wrote:

From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@...>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:42:29 -0800
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Subject: FW: [Q-LIST] Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?
http://www.contactmagazine.com/Issue81/PaulLippsPage14.html
Pat
Has anyone compared performance with and without a spinner on
a Q-2xx? I
thought Mike Arnold said that he left the spinner off because
it didn't
help performance. Any comments?

(haven't watched the AR-5 Videos in a couple of years, but
I'm pretty sure
he said that)
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FW: Re: aluminum spinner - ACS SN-4?

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

http://www.contactmagazine.com/Issue81/PaulLippsPage14.html


Pat

Has anyone compared performance with and without a spinner on a Q-2xx? I
thought Mike Arnold said that he left the spinner off because it didn't
help performance. Any comments?

(haven't watched the AR-5 Videos in a couple of years, but I'm pretty sure
he said that)
Re: oval tailspring into square attach using urethane/rubber or...

damiantwinsport@...
 

Wes, I think I understand your concern about moving crippling point to spring and away from clamp or mount. There are lots of urethanes available in the shore A of 45-75 range. they are part A+B and can be poured into mold. There would have to be some sort of mechanical bond as the peel strength is not to good.

Regards,
Damian Gregory N8427 Q200

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Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:04:47 -0800
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] oval tailspring into square attach using urethane/rubber or...


I'd use flox plus an AN4 bolt. The spring IS the shock mount.

Bob F.
N200QK
EAA Flight Advisor

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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:00 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] oval tailspring into square attach using urethane/rubber
or...


Hi again -

Anyone know of good materials for casting a tailspring shock mount?

I'm attaching a modified Aviation Products (Ojai) tailwheel to my
wide/oval dragonfly spring. I had the AP square/channel attach welded
to make a rectangular hole about 1/16-1/8" bigger than the dragonfly
spring (5/8" tall, ~1" wide, round sides), so now I am making a shock
mount for the gap. Initially I considered composite/epoxy, but it
seems like a good place for a bit of flex, i.e., a hard rubber. But
so far all I can find by way of materials is TAP plastics mold-making
urethane (http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/product.php?pid=63), said to
be about as hard as household silicone seal, which doesn't seem hard
enough.

Alternatives: building or cutting rubber sheets or tubing has turned
out to be too imprecise. A solid block of rubber/urethane
machinee/cut to shape might work, but I can't find one - maybe I
should look for a really big solid rubber wheel. I considered mixing
the urethane with ground rubber to increase the hardness, but that
sounds a bit untested for a critical component. If I had an
easily-reversible composite solution I might start there and return to
the shock mount later.

So: am I wrong that the TAP urethane won't be hard enough? Are there
better approaches/solutions or sources?

Thanks -
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