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Re: Fight Report

Jay Scheevel
 

She just had a big smile…or maybe that was my smile reflecting off the paint…

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Thomson
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 4:55 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Fight Report

 

Nice flight report Jay,  how did it thank you ? Dropping oil on your clean shoes or running over your toe? 😉

Rich T.

On 19/12/2020 23:44, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Finally got up for the first time in almost 3 weeks today. Normally, I fly in the morning, but today was afternoon to let some low clouds burn of. The combination of the remaining haze and the low early afternoon sun was worth the price of admission (5 gallons in 0.9 hours).  Had a good time up surveying my house and the national park cliffs behind it and flying down the Colorado river, as well as north of town near the cliffs on that side of the valley. There was virtually no wind and definitely no turbulence, so it was a great day to be up and I tried to polish some of my stick and rudder skills, which of course are slightly different in the Tri-Q. Can’t really put my finger on the reason why, but it is probably related to the ailerons being planted dead center in the airframe. Anyway, it is starting to feel like my airplane now.  I also did some practice approaches down to a few feet off the runway, during a few circuits, then executed a fairly decent landing. I am not really comfortable with touch and goes yet on the short runway, but lowering it down to almost touching and holding it off then pushing the throttle and going around is good practice. So bottom line, it was a very nice day to be airborne and my Q thanked me for flying it as I put it away.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ, 125 hours.


Re: Fight Report

Richard Thomson
 

Nice flight report Jay,  how did it thank you ? Dropping oil on your clean shoes or running over your toe? 😉

Rich T.

On 19/12/2020 23:44, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Finally got up for the first time in almost 3 weeks today. Normally, I fly in the morning, but today was afternoon to let some low clouds burn of. The combination of the remaining haze and the low early afternoon sun was worth the price of admission (5 gallons in 0.9 hours).  Had a good time up surveying my house and the national park cliffs behind it and flying down the Colorado river, as well as north of town near the cliffs on that side of the valley. There was virtually no wind and definitely no turbulence, so it was a great day to be up and I tried to polish some of my stick and rudder skills, which of course are slightly different in the Tri-Q. Can’t really put my finger on the reason why, but it is probably related to the ailerons being planted dead center in the airframe. Anyway, it is starting to feel like my airplane now.  I also did some practice approaches down to a few feet off the runway, during a few circuits, then executed a fairly decent landing. I am not really comfortable with touch and goes yet on the short runway, but lowering it down to almost touching and holding it off then pushing the throttle and going around is good practice. So bottom line, it was a very nice day to be airborne and my Q thanked me for flying it as I put it away.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ, 125 hours.


Re: Fight Report

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Great report.  J

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 12/19/20 6:45 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Fight Report

Finally got up for the first time in almost 3 weeks today. Normally, I fly in the morning, but today was afternoon to let some low clouds burn of. The combination of the remaining haze and the low early afternoon sun was worth the price of admission (5 gallons in 0.9 hours).  Had a good time up surveying my house and the national park cliffs behind it and flying down the Colorado river, as well as north of town near the cliffs on that side of the valley. There was virtually no wind and definitely no turbulence, so it was a great day to be up and I tried to polish some of my stick and rudder skills, which of course are slightly different in the Tri-Q. Can’t really put my finger on the reason why, but it is probably related to the ailerons being planted dead center in the airframe. Anyway, it is starting to feel like my airplane now.  I also did some practice approaches down to a few feet off the runway, during a few circuits, then executed a fairly decent landing. I am not really comfortable with touch and goes yet on the short runway, but lowering it down to almost touching and holding it off then pushing the throttle and going around is good practice. So bottom line, it was a very nice day to be airborne and my Q thanked me for flying it as I put it away.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ, 125 hours.


Re: Fight Report

Bruce Crain
 

They are amazing little airplanes aren’t they Jay!  Great to hear your flight was enjoyable!  Blessings and Merry Christmas!
Bruce 


On Dec 19, 2020, at 5:44 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Finally got up for the first time in almost 3 weeks today. Normally, I fly in the morning, but today was afternoon to let some low clouds burn of. The combination of the remaining haze and the low early afternoon sun was worth the price of admission (5 gallons in 0.9 hours).  Had a good time up surveying my house and the national park cliffs behind it and flying down the Colorado river, as well as north of town near the cliffs on that side of the valley. There was virtually no wind and definitely no turbulence, so it was a great day to be up and I tried to polish some of my stick and rudder skills, which of course are slightly different in the Tri-Q. Can’t really put my finger on the reason why, but it is probably related to the ailerons being planted dead center in the airframe. Anyway, it is starting to feel like my airplane now.  I also did some practice approaches down to a few feet off the runway, during a few circuits, then executed a fairly decent landing. I am not really comfortable with touch and goes yet on the short runway, but lowering it down to almost touching and holding it off then pushing the throttle and going around is good practice. So bottom line, it was a very nice day to be airborne and my Q thanked me for flying it as I put it away.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ, 125 hours.




Re: Dave and Jay videos!!!

 

Dave,
Thanks and I’ll check it out 

MikeQ200wannabe 


On Dec 19, 2020, at 6:18 PM, Dave Dugas via groups.io <davedq2@...> wrote:

Mike
On the Q members site I have an album with a few pictures of my autopilot installation. It's a TruTrak Pictorial Pilot, a single axis autopilot, and it works great. Avare is the program that I use on my tablet and it also works great.
Dave D


On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 4:16 PM, Mike via groups.io
<n7000t@...> wrote:

Hi Dave, 
Would you mind giving a little more information about your auto pilot set up and what app you’re using on your android .
love the videos!

thanks.  


Mike200 wannabe 


Re: Dave and Jay videos!!!

Dave Dugas
 

Mike
On the Q members site I have an album with a few pictures of my autopilot installation. It's a TruTrak Pictorial Pilot, a single axis autopilot, and it works great. Avare is the program that I use on my tablet and it also works great.
Dave D


On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 4:16 PM, Mike via groups.io
<n7000t@...> wrote:

Hi Dave, 
Would you mind giving a little more information about your auto pilot set up and what app you’re using on your android .
love the videos!

thanks.  


Mike200 wannabe 


Fight Report

Jay Scheevel
 

Finally got up for the first time in almost 3 weeks today. Normally, I fly in the morning, but today was afternoon to let some low clouds burn of. The combination of the remaining haze and the low early afternoon sun was worth the price of admission (5 gallons in 0.9 hours).  Had a good time up surveying my house and the national park cliffs behind it and flying down the Colorado river, as well as north of town near the cliffs on that side of the valley. There was virtually no wind and definitely no turbulence, so it was a great day to be up and I tried to polish some of my stick and rudder skills, which of course are slightly different in the Tri-Q. Can’t really put my finger on the reason why, but it is probably related to the ailerons being planted dead center in the airframe. Anyway, it is starting to feel like my airplane now.  I also did some practice approaches down to a few feet off the runway, during a few circuits, then executed a fairly decent landing. I am not really comfortable with touch and goes yet on the short runway, but lowering it down to almost touching and holding it off then pushing the throttle and going around is good practice. So bottom line, it was a very nice day to be airborne and my Q thanked me for flying it as I put it away.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ, 125 hours.


Re: Dave and Jay videos!!!

 

Hi Dave, 
Would you mind giving a little more information about your auto pilot set up and what app you’re using on your android .
love the videos!

thanks.  


Mike200 wannabe 


Re: ailerons

Chris Walterson
 

Correction on the ailerons. The tube is 5/8 outside and the mass balance are 5/8 inside and 3/4 outside.--- Chris


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Re: Power Supply

Ryszard Zadow
 

yes. 12 or 24 v ? 

However, why replace that thing? They’re heavy, draw a lot of power, and expensive. We quit using them a long time ago, which is why we have them. Go to Strobes and More and buy a power supply that is 1/10 the size. weight and uses milliamperes 


RyZ 

On Dec 16, 2020, at 22:26, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


How much do you want for it?

Sent from Outer Space

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Kittle <skittle@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 8:24:45 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Power Supply
 

Jim,

 

I have one. 

 

Sam

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Power Supply

 

Does anyone have a Whelen power supply you may want to part with? Mine took a crap. Its for 3 in 1 wing  strobe, nav and tail lights. See attachment. 

Jim
N46JP - Q200

 


Re: Power Supply

Kevin Boddicker
 

Jim,
Check with wheelen with regards to powering up a supply that the capacitor has gone flat. I did, and has been working for 15 years without problem. If I recall, putting full power to the unit will fry it. Needs to be brought up slowly. The folks at wheelen were very helpful. 
2cents,

Kevin 


On Dec 16, 2020, at 10:26 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

How much do you want for it?

Sent from Outer Space

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Kittle <skittle@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 8:24:45 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Power Supply
 

Jim,

 

I have one. 

 

Sam

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Power Supply

 

Does anyone have a Whelen power supply you may want to part with? Mine took a crap. Its for 3 in 1 wing  strobe, nav and tail lights. See attachment. 

Jim
N46JP - Q200

 


Re: Power Supply

Richard Kaczmarek 3RD
 

We have 9 of them how many would you like?

Richard Kaczmarek 
Aviation Composites LLC 


Re: Power Supply

John Hartley
 

This fella says he has a few. Not sure it's the same your looking for, but he wants $250 for all of them. Worth a look

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2226961823/permalink/10157879084506824/

John Hartley
Most of the money I've made in my life has been spent on airplanes. I wasted the rest.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 10:21 PM, Jim Patillo
<Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Does anyone have a Whelen power supply you may want to part with? Mine took a crap. Its for 3 in 1 wing  strobe, nav and tail lights. See attachment. 

Jim
N46JP - Q200

 


Re: Power Supply

Jim Patillo
 

How much do you want for it?

Sent from Outer Space

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Kittle <skittle@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 8:24:45 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Power Supply
 

Jim,

 

I have one. 

 

Sam

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Power Supply

 

Does anyone have a Whelen power supply you may want to part with? Mine took a crap. Its for 3 in 1 wing  strobe, nav and tail lights. See attachment. 

Jim
N46JP - Q200

 


Re: Power Supply

Sam Kittle
 

Jim,

 

I have one. 

 

Sam

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io [mailto:main@Q-List.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 7:21 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Power Supply

 

Does anyone have a Whelen power supply you may want to part with? Mine took a crap. Its for 3 in 1 wing  strobe, nav and tail lights. See attachment. 

Jim
N46JP - Q200

 


Power Supply

Jim Patillo
 

Does anyone have a Whelen power supply you may want to part with? Mine took a crap. Its for 3 in 1 wing  strobe, nav and tail lights. See attachment. 

Jim
N46JP - Q200

 


ailerons

Chris Walterson
 

Changed up the aileron set up a bit. The 1/2 tube is installed permanentley inside the aileron. The inner phenolic bearing is drilled for the size of the mass balance. 5/8.  The 1/2 inch tube slides inside this and the bellcrank. Nothing is bolted in the picture, but if I slide the bellcrank out and the mass balance in , I can move the aileron in and then slice it from the hinges. I also have a center hinge on the aileron. The bellcrank and the mass balance arm will slide off. I will have a removable root fairing  between the aileron and the fuselage.

 The inner bellcrank hold the aileron out so there is no need for a spacer. In the picture you can see I have the reflexor and  the two cables above it is for aileron trim.

  Doing bodywork. I think I will end up using two West epoxi kits and almost ten lbs of micro. Eight pounds get sanded off.

 Take care----------------  Chris



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Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

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 Jerry

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Re: Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Also, you dont want to wait 3+ secs on a go around for the board to retract.

-------- Original message --------
From: smeshno1@...
Date: 12/14/20 2:16 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

 I see your point, that this is a drag device intended to slow the approach over the fence. The gain of in runway in sight would be 
also an improvement. All on or all off. 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Gmail <jerrylm1986@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards
 
It is a single lever that has variable internal friction stops. This means that wherever position the lever, it remains on that position without having to tighten a friction lock.  I quickly discovered I didnt need this feature.  Either I wanted the board down or up. No reason for intermediate positions.  I just looked in ACS to no avail.  Doesn't mean it isn't there. I just didn't find it.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 5:30 PM <smeshno1@...> wrote:
Reflexer


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 4:25 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards
 
For which? The reflexer or belly board?

-------- Original message --------
Date: 12/13/20 12:40 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

 What is the mechanical/drive motor you used?  


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards
 
Mac server from. ACS.  Yes, there is an indicator for server. You have to figure how you want server to hook to ailerons to reflex.
I dont think electric belly board is of value.

-------- Original message --------
Date: 12/13/20 10:51 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

 I like this idea, Jerry. Do tell the parts involved please. Also.. you have an indicator of some sort for reflex 
position for takeoff? My first thoughts are aerodynamics would be improved with your system as well as
constant trim under thumb being an intuitive process.  

 My first CFI was a hard nosed airforce instructor that flew combat in Korea and Viet Nam. 

 He demanded I remain in a trimmed aircraft all the time. Forward hinged belly board also electric
 is another one added to the list of items to track down. 

 Vern    


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards
 
To the contrary, I have my reflexer electric and operated by the trim button on my stick. I do not have elevator trim.  I use the reflexer for pitch trim.  I am trimming all the time, depending upon stick pressures. That way I am always flying a trimmed airplane.

-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Thomson <richard@...>
Date: 12/13/20 9:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

Already made a new lever with the ratchet, but it's easy enough to lock in or out either end. 

As the rest is already there, manual sounds the easiest option for me with a new bit of leverage sorted out.

Went with the manual reflex for those same reasons, also keeping power consumption low and weight down.

Sometimes 2 cents is worth a fortune Jerry.

Rich T.

On 13/12/2020 12:44, Jerry Marstall wrote:
My 2-cents. Manual is faster to deploy and bring up.. No needed for incremental use ( no notches in lever). It's either full up or full down.  
Jerry 

-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Thomson <richard@...>
Date: 12/13/20 5:09 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

Good idea Richard, Van's flap motor. gives more options. Thanks.

Rich T.

On 12/12/2020 20:54, Richard Kaczmarek 3RD wrote:
From my personal experience of having flown both I prefer the TriQ brake over the forward belly board. The placement does not cause the pitch change that we experienced with Doug's old Q2. We turned our original TriQ board around from the original rear hinge to the front due to seeing it flutter in flight. With the hinge on the front side we no longer ended up with exhaust smells in the cockpit during landings and the plane experienced an overall speed increase (door no longer grabbing air in the fludder) it can also handle being on a servo with a front hinge or even the Van's flap motor so you can see the degrees of deployment. 

Richard 

-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Thomson <richard@...>
Date: 12/12/20 3:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

Hi Michael,

On my TriQ I have similar concerns to those Jerry notes in the mod write up, in fact when I got it, the belly board had been bolted shut and the handle was removed. I have replaced it to the TriQ plan, but it does sit slightly proud, at the corners, so for me Jerry's mod is something I will look to do on mine next year after we have got it flying.

The Triq nose gear fits along the underneath of the Canard, so probably not possible to use the Q2/Q200 Belly board, if you are wondering why there are 2 versions.

Br

Rich T.

On 12/12/2020 18:06, Michael wrote:
Figured I would post these based on today's discussion. Both sets of plans are available on Quickheads for comparison. Turns out my Q2 has the Tri-Q version (not sure why), so worth checking if you have a new or new-to-you Quickie?

QAC Q2/Q200 Belly Board Plans
Tri-Q Belly Board Drag Brake (Option)

The primary difference is in location, geometry, and materials:
  1. The QAC version uses a carbon board originally sold as part of an upgrade kit, while the Tri-Q version uses the foam cut from the fuselage.
  2. From the hinge, the QAC version is a long & tall rectangle, while the Tri-Q version is a narrow & wide rectangle.
  3. The QAC version is located between the canard spar and under the forward part of the fuel tank (see last page of PDF), while the Tri-Q version goes behind the seat back bulkhead in the baggage/landing gear area (see last figure).
Both versions hinge from the rear and "scoop" air up from the front; although Jerry Marstall has flipped his around for reasons he explains. Haven't flown mine yet, so hopefully some experienced Q-drivers can chime in on what (if any) handling differences exist between the two versions...

Hope it helps,
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#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)


Re: Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

Frankenbird Vern
 

 I see your point, that this is a drag device intended to slow the approach over the fence. The gain of in runway in sight would be 
also an improvement. All on or all off. 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Gmail <jerrylm1986@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 4:39 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards
 
It is a single lever that has variable internal friction stops. This means that wherever position the lever, it remains on that position without having to tighten a friction lock.  I quickly discovered I didnt need this feature.  Either I wanted the board down or up. No reason for intermediate positions.  I just looked in ACS to no avail.  Doesn't mean it isn't there. I just didn't find it.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 5:30 PM <smeshno1@...> wrote:

Reflexer


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 4:25 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards
 
For which? The reflexer or belly board?

-------- Original message --------
Date: 12/13/20 12:40 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

 What is the mechanical/drive motor you used?  


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards
 
Mac server from. ACS.  Yes, there is an indicator for server. You have to figure how you want server to hook to ailerons to reflex.
I dont think electric belly board is of value.

-------- Original message --------
Date: 12/13/20 10:51 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

 I like this idea, Jerry. Do tell the parts involved please. Also.. you have an indicator of some sort for reflex 
position for takeoff? My first thoughts are aerodynamics would be improved with your system as well as
constant trim under thumb being an intuitive process.  

 My first CFI was a hard nosed airforce instructor that flew combat in Korea and Viet Nam. 

 He demanded I remain in a trimmed aircraft all the time. Forward hinged belly board also electric
 is another one added to the list of items to track down. 

 Vern    


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards
 
To the contrary, I have my reflexer electric and operated by the trim button on my stick. I do not have elevator trim.  I use the reflexer for pitch trim.  I am trimming all the time, depending upon stick pressures. That way I am always flying a trimmed airplane.

-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Thomson <richard@...>
Date: 12/13/20 9:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

Already made a new lever with the ratchet, but it's easy enough to lock in or out either end. 

As the rest is already there, manual sounds the easiest option for me with a new bit of leverage sorted out.

Went with the manual reflex for those same reasons, also keeping power consumption low and weight down.

Sometimes 2 cents is worth a fortune Jerry.

Rich T.

On 13/12/2020 12:44, Jerry Marstall wrote:
My 2-cents. Manual is faster to deploy and bring up.. No needed for incremental use ( no notches in lever). It's either full up or full down.  
Jerry 

-------- Original message --------
From: Richard Thomson <richard@...>
Date: 12/13/20 5:09 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

Good idea Richard, Van's flap motor. gives more options. Thanks.

Rich T.

On 12/12/2020 20:54, Richard Kaczmarek 3RD wrote:
From my personal experience of having flown both I prefer the TriQ brake over the forward belly board. The placement does not cause the pitch change that we experienced with Doug's old Q2. We turned our original TriQ board around from the original rear hinge to the front due to seeing it flutter in flight. With the hinge on the front side we no longer ended up with exhaust smells in the cockpit during landings and the plane experienced an overall speed increase (door no longer grabbing air in the fludder) it can also handle being on a servo with a front hinge or even the Van's flap motor so you can see the degrees of deployment. 

Richard 

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From: Richard Thomson <richard@...>
Date: 12/12/20 3:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Tri-Q vs QAC Belly Boards

Hi Michael,

On my TriQ I have similar concerns to those Jerry notes in the mod write up, in fact when I got it, the belly board had been bolted shut and the handle was removed. I have replaced it to the TriQ plan, but it does sit slightly proud, at the corners, so for me Jerry's mod is something I will look to do on mine next year after we have got it flying.

The Triq nose gear fits along the underneath of the Canard, so probably not possible to use the Q2/Q200 Belly board, if you are wondering why there are 2 versions.

Br

Rich T.

On 12/12/2020 18:06, Michael wrote:
Figured I would post these based on today's discussion. Both sets of plans are available on Quickheads for comparison. Turns out my Q2 has the Tri-Q version (not sure why), so worth checking if you have a new or new-to-you Quickie?

QAC Q2/Q200 Belly Board Plans
Tri-Q Belly Board Drag Brake (Option)

The primary difference is in location, geometry, and materials:
  1. The QAC version uses a carbon board originally sold as part of an upgrade kit, while the Tri-Q version uses the foam cut from the fuselage.
  2. From the hinge, the QAC version is a long & tall rectangle, while the Tri-Q version is a narrow & wide rectangle.
  3. The QAC version is located between the canard spar and under the forward part of the fuel tank (see last page of PDF), while the Tri-Q version goes behind the seat back bulkhead in the baggage/landing gear area (see last figure).
Both versions hinge from the rear and "scoop" air up from the front; although Jerry Marstall has flipped his around for reasons he explains. Haven't flown mine yet, so hopefully some experienced Q-drivers can chime in on what (if any) handling differences exist between the two versions...

Hope it helps,
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

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