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Re: Sparrow strainers

Kevin Boddicker
 

That was going to be my guess, but you beat me to it Earnest!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
God Bless


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 539 hrs
Luana, IA.

On Nov 25, 2020, at 7:19 AM, Earnest Martin via groups.io <MartinErni@...> wrote:

QAC’s stated reason for putting the strainers inboard was, “ we can use a smaller strainer by putting it in the prop wash”.

Earnest Martin
40 Glen Cove Drive
Arden NC 28704-3219
828-230-5378
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On Nov 24, 2020, at 9:58 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I agree with Bruce. For years I have tried to noodle out the reasoning that QAC recommended the inboard mounting of the sparrow strainers and it may have something to do with the stall of the canard beginning inboard so the incipient stall will partially washout on the sparrow strainer resulting in a sort of stall recovery effect by adding forward stick forces. This is just a guess on my part.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Sparrow strainers

After my experience with putting the sparrow strainer mid span I would just go with the plans. It is a given and midpoint is not. I put 1 1/2 degree up incidence on the canard and .8 up on the main wing. If you have a light and therefore fast Q the view over the nose will be good as the aft end flies higher the faster you fly.
Bruce
On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

 About to install the sparrow strainers on the Q200 elevator. I noticed on the video showing Bruces airplane , he had the strainers in the middle. Is there any concern installing them on the outboard side of the elevator as apposed to the inside?

Should be finished most of the bodywork on the flying surfaces next week, so I will be able to install the canard and wing. Following some of the older threads, I think on the Q200 it is recommended by Sam and some others to add one more positive angle of attack on the canard. Did I get that right? The wing stays as is.

Still picking micro from my nose, but the end is in sight. Take care-------------- Chris


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Re: Sparrow strainers

Chris Walterson
 

Thanks for the info. Inboard it is----------  Chris


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Re: Success with LSE Install

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 

Thanks Peter.  Dying on short final is what I am most concerned about so glad you mention it.  I am guessing, with the windmilling, the prop will still be close to 1,000rpms.  Just a guess as I am no longer looking inside at that phase of flight....eyes outside by then.  If so, then I believe I have the mixture set rich enough.  I think the thing I need to get set just right is not to have it die as I get slow on the runway from it being too rich.  

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Re: Success with LSE Install

Peter Le Lievre <peter@...>
 

Corbin,

Set the mixture a little on the rich side so that the engine does not die on descent (ie short final) when the prop is windmilling. On my TSIO520 the engine needs to see an idle increase when mixture knob is leaned at idle. I dont have the manual for your engine but I expect it will require the same.


Re: Sparrow strainers

Jay Scheevel
 

Thanks Earnest. I had not heard that.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Earnest Martin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 6:20 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Sparrow strainers

QAC’s stated reason for putting the strainers inboard was, “ we can use a smaller strainer by putting it in the prop wash”.

Earnest Martin
40 Glen Cove Drive
Arden NC 28704-3219
828-230-5378
martinerni@...


On Nov 24, 2020, at 9:58 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I agree with Bruce. For years I have tried to noodle out the reasoning that QAC recommended the inboard mounting of the sparrow strainers and it may have something to do with the stall of the canard beginning inboard so the incipient stall will partially washout on the sparrow strainer resulting in a sort of stall recovery effect by adding forward stick forces. This is just a guess on my part.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Sparrow strainers

After my experience with putting the sparrow strainer mid span I would just go with the plans. It is a given and midpoint is not. I put 1 1/2 degree up incidence on the canard and .8 up on the main wing. If you have a light and therefore fast Q the view over the nose will be good as the aft end flies higher the faster you fly.
Bruce
On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

 About to install the sparrow strainers on the Q200 elevator. I noticed on the video showing Bruces airplane , he had the strainers in the middle. Is there any concern installing them on the outboard side of the elevator as apposed to the inside?

Should be finished most of the bodywork on the flying surfaces next week, so I will be able to install the canard and wing. Following some of the older threads, I think on the Q200 it is recommended by Sam and some others to add one more positive angle of attack on the canard. Did I get that right? The wing stays as is.

Still picking micro from my nose, but the end is in sight. Take care-------------- Chris


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Re: Sparrow strainers

Earnest Martin <MartinErni@...>
 

QAC’s stated reason for putting the strainers inboard was, “ we can use a smaller strainer by putting it in the prop wash”.

Earnest Martin
40 Glen Cove Drive
Arden NC 28704-3219
828-230-5378
martinerni@...

On Nov 24, 2020, at 9:58 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

I agree with Bruce. For years I have tried to noodle out the reasoning that QAC recommended the inboard mounting of the sparrow strainers and it may have something to do with the stall of the canard beginning inboard so the incipient stall will partially washout on the sparrow strainer resulting in a sort of stall recovery effect by adding forward stick forces. This is just a guess on my part.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Sparrow strainers

After my experience with putting the sparrow strainer mid span I would just go with the plans. It is a given and midpoint is not. I put 1 1/2 degree up incidence on the canard and .8 up on the main wing. If you have a light and therefore fast Q the view over the nose will be good as the aft end flies higher the faster you fly.
Bruce
On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

 About to install the sparrow strainers on the Q200 elevator. I noticed on the video showing Bruces airplane , he had the strainers in the middle. Is there any concern installing them on the outboard side of the elevator as apposed to the inside?

Should be finished most of the bodywork on the flying surfaces next week, so I will be able to install the canard and wing. Following some of the older threads, I think on the Q200 it is recommended by Sam and some others to add one more positive angle of attack on the canard. Did I get that right? The wing stays as is.

Still picking micro from my nose, but the end is in sight. Take care-------------- Chris


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Re: Sparrow strainers

Mike Dwyer
 

I'm going to guess that the inboard bearing is much better at handling the load from the sparow strainer.  The center hinge is fairly weak.
Mike

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 9:58 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
I agree with Bruce. For years I have tried to noodle out the reasoning that QAC recommended the inboard mounting of the sparrow strainers and it may have something to do with the stall of the canard beginning inboard so the incipient stall will partially washout on the sparrow strainer resulting in a sort of stall recovery effect by adding forward stick forces. This is just a guess on my part.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Sparrow strainers

After my experience with putting the sparrow strainer mid span I would just go with the plans.  It is a given and midpoint is not.  I put 1 1/2 degree up incidence on the canard and .8 up on the main wing.  If you have a light and therefore fast Q the view over the nose will be good as the aft end flies higher the faster you fly.
Bruce
> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
>
>  About to install the sparrow strainers on the Q200 elevator. I noticed on the video showing Bruces airplane , he had the strainers in the middle. Is there any concern installing them on the outboard side of the elevator as apposed to the inside?
>
>  Should be finished most of the bodywork on the flying surfaces next week, so I will be able to install the canard and wing. Following some of the older threads, I think on the Q200 it is recommended by Sam and some others to add one more positive angle of attack on the canard. Did I get that right? The wing stays as is.
>
>  Still picking micro from my nose, but the end is in sight.  Take care--------------  Chris
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Re: Sparrow strainers

Jay Scheevel
 

I agree with Bruce. For years I have tried to noodle out the reasoning that QAC recommended the inboard mounting of the sparrow strainers and it may have something to do with the stall of the canard beginning inboard so the incipient stall will partially washout on the sparrow strainer resulting in a sort of stall recovery effect by adding forward stick forces. This is just a guess on my part.

Cheers,
Jay

-----Original Message-----
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Sparrow strainers

After my experience with putting the sparrow strainer mid span I would just go with the plans. It is a given and midpoint is not. I put 1 1/2 degree up incidence on the canard and .8 up on the main wing. If you have a light and therefore fast Q the view over the nose will be good as the aft end flies higher the faster you fly.
Bruce
On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

 About to install the sparrow strainers on the Q200 elevator. I noticed on the video showing Bruces airplane , he had the strainers in the middle. Is there any concern installing them on the outboard side of the elevator as apposed to the inside?

Should be finished most of the bodywork on the flying surfaces next week, so I will be able to install the canard and wing. Following some of the older threads, I think on the Q200 it is recommended by Sam and some others to add one more positive angle of attack on the canard. Did I get that right? The wing stays as is.

Still picking micro from my nose, but the end is in sight. Take care-------------- Chris


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Re: Sparrow strainers

Bruce Crain
 

After my experience with putting the sparrow strainer mid span I would just go with the plans. It is a given and midpoint is not. I put 1 1/2 degree up incidence on the canard and .8 up on the main wing. If you have a light and therefore fast Q the view over the nose will be good as the aft end flies higher the faster you fly.
Bruce
On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:

 About to install the sparrow strainers on the Q200 elevator. I noticed on the video showing Bruces airplane , he had the strainers in the middle. Is there any concern installing them on the outboard side of the elevator as apposed to the inside?

Should be finished most of the bodywork on the flying surfaces next week, so I will be able to install the canard and wing. Following some of the older threads, I think on the Q200 it is recommended by Sam and some others to add one more positive angle of attack on the canard. Did I get that right? The wing stays as is.

Still picking micro from my nose, but the end is in sight. Take care-------------- Chris


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Sparrow strainers

Chris Walterson
 

About to install the sparrow strainers on the Q200 elevator. I noticed on the video showing Bruces airplane , he had the strainers in the middle. Is there any concern installing them on the outboard side of the elevator as apposed to the inside?

 Should be finished most of the bodywork on the flying surfaces next week, so I will be able to install the canard and wing. Following some of the older threads, I think on the Q200 it is recommended by Sam and some others to add one more positive angle of attack on the canard. Did I get that right? The wing stays as is.

 Still picking micro from my nose, but the end is in sight.  Take care--------------  Chris


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Re: FW: formation

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

I'm known for my self-control.

-------- Original message --------
From: Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Date: 11/24/20 2:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] FW: formation

But she's really really! cute!  I don't know how you can have enough "resolve" to social distance!  Just sayin'!
Bruce

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From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] FW: formation
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 11:07:05 -0600

Looks like fun!  I'm glad you were being safe and maintaining your distance.

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:27 Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
Flying "loose" formation on my wife Nancy's wing.  You know, social distancing and all. 
Jerry 
 
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Re: FW: formation

Bruce Crain
 

But she's really really! cute!  I don't know how you can have enough "resolve" to social distance!  Just sayin'!
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Paul Fisher" <rv7a.n18pf@...>
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] FW: formation
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 11:07:05 -0600

Looks like fun!  I'm glad you were being safe and maintaining your distance.

 

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:27 Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
Flying "loose" formation on my wife Nancy's wing.  You know, social distancing and all. 
Jerry 
 
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Re: FW: formation

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Thanks Richard.  Most appreciated. Jerry 

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From: Richard Thomson <richard@...>
Date: 11/24/20 11:58 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] FW: formation

    Great bit of flying Jerry, very stable.

    :-)

Rich T.

On 24/11/2020 16:27, Jerry Marstall wrote:
Flying "loose" formation on my wife Nancy's wing.  You know, social distancing and all. 
Jerry 

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Re: FW: formation

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Hello Mike,
Yes. It was slow developing but it turned out beautifully. Jerry 

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From: Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Date: 11/24/20 12:30 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] FW: formation

I had to change the file name from .3pg to .mpg and then it worked. 
Hey, did you have nice fall colors this year?
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:27 AM Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
Flying "loose" formation on my wife Nancy's wing.  You know, social distancing and all. 
Jerry 

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Re: FW: formation

Mike Dwyer
 

I had to change the file name from .3pg to .mpg and then it worked. 
Hey, did you have nice fall colors this year?
Fly Safe,
Mike Dwyer

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:27 AM Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
Flying "loose" formation on my wife Nancy's wing.  You know, social distancing and all. 
Jerry 

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Re: FW: formation

Paul Fisher
 

Looks like fun!  I'm glad you were being safe and maintaining your distance.


On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 10:27 Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:
Flying "loose" formation on my wife Nancy's wing.  You know, social distancing and all. 
Jerry 

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Re: FW: formation

Richard Thomson
 

    Great bit of flying Jerry, very stable.

    :-)

Rich T.

On 24/11/2020 16:27, Jerry Marstall wrote:

Flying "loose" formation on my wife Nancy's wing.  You know, social distancing and all. 
Jerry 

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FW: formation

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Flying "loose" formation on my wife Nancy's wing.  You know, social distancing and all. 
Jerry 

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Re: Success with LSE Install

Michel Royer
 

Klaus,,, useful as usual


Re: Success with LSE Install

Corbin <c_geiser@...>
 
Edited

I will likely update on the channel but could also post something just for this group as well.  Good idea.

CorbinAviation YT Channel
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