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Re: Forward Hinged Canopy Parts

Bruce Crain
 

Jon,
I bought my aluminum hinges from T. J. Wright R D 5 Bx 214C Somerset,
PA 15501 Ph 814-445-3802 (Advance Composite Technologies). That was 5
yrs ago and I'm not sure if he is still in that location. He also sent
me the drawings that accompany the hinges. The drawings did not include
a scale drawing of the hinges or the type of aluminum used. Scott Swing
of Velocity might still have some parts left over from Quickie days.
Also, didn't Mark Greenwood say something about having parts for the Tri
Q. He could possibly have something. Let me know what you find out. If
you want I could try to trace my hinges on a piece of paper and send the
package (including plans) to you. Merry Christmas to the "Fine
Finelys"!!

Bruce Crain

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 20:16:35 -0600 "Jon Finley" <finley@...>
writes:
Hi all,

Does anyone have drawings of the aluminum hinges that you could send
me OR
two aluminum hinges to sell OR point me to where in QBA they were
documented?

Anyone have any helpful tips on converting a finished plane to the
forward
hinge setup??

Thanks!

Jon Finley
N54JF Quickie - Volkswagen 1835cc
N90MG Q2 - Subaru EA-81 DDT
Apple Valley, Minnesota




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Re: Forward Hinged Canopy Parts

Who is this?
 

Hi Jim

I think about you every time I fly my Q. Your Navaid device is the best
thing I ever installed. It just puts a smile on your face.

dave darlson


Re: Forward Hinged Canopy Parts

Who is this?
 

Hi Jon

I happen to have my canopy off to refinish inside. I made the arms out of
plywood and covered with glass. Worked fine for 19 yrs. Ill try to get some
pixks and a drawing to you.

dave carlson


Re: Forward Hinged Canopy Parts

JCamp29966@...
 

Hey jon I did a forward opening canopy on my quickie,I emailed mike and asked
him if possiable to convert q-1 to foward opening he said he didnt know but
he had some q-2 hinges he sent me and i made them work ,I cut canopy out like
q-2 had to make some brackets where the stuts was suppose to bolt to header
tank ,works good ,Getting the panel to work was whole new story but simple
when looked at,turned out to be good looking ,Have pictures if you want to
see
jerry


Re: Forward Hinged Canopy Parts

Mark Greenwood <mtgreenwood@...>
 

John,
I have a pair of the aluminum anodized (gold) arms and other misc. hardware
(used) that I would be happy to let go of cheap. Contact me off-line.
Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Finley" <finley@...>
To: "Q-List (E-mail)" <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:16 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Forward Hinged Canopy Parts


Hi all,

Does anyone have drawings of the aluminum hinges that you could send me OR
two aluminum hinges to sell OR point me to where in QBA they were
documented?

Anyone have any helpful tips on converting a finished plane to the forward
hinge setup??

Thanks!

Jon Finley
N54JF Quickie - Volkswagen 1835cc
N90MG Q2 - Subaru EA-81 DDT
Apple Valley, Minnesota





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Re: Forward Hinged Canopy Parts

David W.S. King <KingDWS@...>
 

At 06:16 PM 12/15/00 , you wrote:
Hi all,

Does anyone have drawings of the aluminum hinges that you could send me OR
two aluminum hinges to sell OR point me to where in QBA they were
documented?

Anyone have any helpful tips on converting a finished plane to the forward
hinge setup??
Did you want the conversion drawings or just the hinge drawings? I've got the whole
thing in a zip file (I think its the right one) its about 500k in size.

Just ran across a article in Q-Talk 10 July/August 88. Its about converting to
forward hinge.

Dave

P.s. Ea81 Turbo info.......


Re: Forward Hinged Canopy Parts

Jim Ham <jimham@...>
 

You can try

ftp://ftp.porcine.com/q200/

I scanned many of the plans including the forward hinged canope.

Regards,

Jim Ham


At 06:16 PM 12/15/2000 , you wrote:
Hi all,

Does anyone have drawings of the aluminum hinges that you could send me OR
two aluminum hinges to sell OR point me to where in QBA they were
documented?

Anyone have any helpful tips on converting a finished plane to the forward
hinge setup??

Thanks!

Jon Finley
N54JF Quickie - Volkswagen 1835cc
N90MG Q2 - Subaru EA-81 DDT
Apple Valley, Minnesota
Jim Ham, Porcine Associates
(650)326-2669 fax(650)326-1071
"http://www.porcine.com"


Re: Forward Hinged Canopy Parts

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

Jon Finley wrote:

Hi all,

Does anyone have drawings of the aluminum hinges that you could send me OR
two aluminum hinges to sell OR point me to where in QBA they were
documented?
A few years back, Dave Morris (of Dragonfly fame) was interested
in aluminum hinges for his canopy. I recommended that he make some
from fiberglass, and he did just that. You may want to contact him
and perhaps get some photos.

Pat


Forward Hinged Canopy Parts

Jon Finley <finley@...>
 

Hi all,

Does anyone have drawings of the aluminum hinges that you could send me OR
two aluminum hinges to sell OR point me to where in QBA they were
documented?

Anyone have any helpful tips on converting a finished plane to the forward
hinge setup??

Thanks!

Jon Finley
N54JF Quickie - Volkswagen 1835cc
N90MG Q2 - Subaru EA-81 DDT
Apple Valley, Minnesota


Re: Black

KTSENYA2@...
 

Ah, yes, but the SR-71 is not painted black...Its skin has been coated black,
and not above the surface, but rather into it. Therefore, the black surface
radiates effectively but does not possess the negative attributes that an
overcoat of insulative paint would inflict.


Re: Fuel System Plumbing

David Cyr <73601.521@...>
 

The Q2 supplier in Eastern Canada suggested using separate plumbing pipes
exiting the main tank and entering the header (for the electric pump and
hand pump), so in the event of valve failure, the electric pump would not
be defeated. Also, the Minister of Transport decreed we use 3/8 inch
tubing for the lines from the header tank to the carburator...
Dave Cyr

Message text written by INTERNET:Q-LIST@...
D)Is there anyone else out there that does not have a lot of
faith in the cheap check valve in the pump bulb and has added an in-
line check valve?
Good point. Internal bulb check valve is questionable. Another drawback
of
the leaky valve, it bypasses the pump so you don't get good transfer to the
header. Maybe a better method would be a good quality in-line check valve,
with no check valve in the squeeze bulb.
<


Re: Black

Chris McAtee <Subcanis@...>
 

I dont know, but (correct me if I'm wrong, Leon) the engine cooling tin on my bug is painted black for a reason: heat dissapation. I don't know what effect would it would have on the cylinders, though.

Chris McAtee
========================================================================

The Ives Hive wrote:

I was told that painting cylinders black is the high performance way to
go as the black will absorb the heat to the outside of the cylinders to let it dissapate quicker.Is this true or is it a bunch of hogwash? I know black absorbs heat (verses white) when the sun is involved - but does it make any difference under cover?
Tom Ives



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Re: Black

Britt Crowell <britt@...>
 

well I know that the SR-71 is black to help dissipate heat. The outer skin
got like 600 degrees and the outside air temp was around -76 degrees. So it
was black to help dissipate heat. Of course this is an extreme case and it
probably would be of minimal help on an engine application and the paint
might have more insulating properties.

Regards
Britt Crowell

----- Original Message -----
From: "Renee Robertson" <rrbrtson@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Black


Hogwash, as far as I know Tom. The only reason you'd paint the exterior
of your cylinders it to prevent corrosion. A layer of paint (black or
otherwise) actually insulates and prevents rapid heat dissipation. I work
in the electronics industry and we have always recommended that aluminum
heats sinks be left unpainted.
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

The Ives Hive wrote:

I was told that painting cylinders black is the high performance way to
go as the black will absorb the heat to the outside of the cylinders to let
it dissapate quicker.Is this true or is it a bunch of hogwash? I know black
absorbs heat (verses white) when the sun is involved - but does it make any
difference under cover?
Tom Ives




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Re: Black

Renee Robertson <rrbrtson@...>
 

Hogwash, as far as I know Tom. The only reason you'd paint the exterior of your cylinders it to prevent corrosion. A layer of paint (black or otherwise) actually insulates and prevents rapid heat dissipation. I work in the electronics industry and we have always recommended that aluminum heats sinks be left unpainted.
Rene
Q2 C-FBWV

The Ives Hive wrote:

I was told that painting cylinders black is the high performance way to go as the black will absorb the heat to the outside of the cylinders to let it dissapate quicker.Is this true or is it a bunch of hogwash? I know black absorbs heat (verses white) when the sun is involved - but does it make any difference under cover?
Tom Ives




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Re: Black

Hot Wings
 

My recollection of the physics of thermodynamics is that black is the
best color for radiating heat - both into and away from an object. However
when dealing with painted surfaces where you are trying to dissipate heat
there is another factor to take into consideration, and that is the heat
transfer due to conduction. Sometimes it is best to leave a surface
unpainted even if it is a light color as the coat of paint will not conduct
heat as fast as the raw surface would to the surrounding atmosphere.
A good example of this is the common practice of painting the aluminum
case of the VW motor black in the mistaken belief that it will help cool it.
The late Gene Berg (who had as much practical knowledge of the VW as anyone
ever has) did a series of tests many years ago and of all the coatings he
tried none cooled as well as the raw VW castings. One coating he didn't try
was black anodize. It might work on the heads but I would not want to try it
on the case.
Bottom line - the only way to know what cools best is to test.

In a message dated 12/14/00 11:14:33 Pacific Standard Time,
iveshive@... writes:

<< I was told that painting cylinders black is the high performance way to go
as the black will absorb the heat to the outside of the cylinders to let it
dissapate quicker.Is this true or is it a bunch of hogwash? I know black
absorbs heat (verses white) when the sun is involved - but does it make any
difference under cover? >>
========================

"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,
and they wander off through equation after equation,
and eventually build a structure which has
no relation to reality."
N. Tesla

Just wishing I was as productive
Leon
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/bd5er/Qpage.html">Q-2 page</A>


Black

The Ives Hive <iveshive@...>
 

I was told that painting cylinders black is the high performance way to go as the black will absorb the heat to the outside of the cylinders to let it dissapate quicker.Is this true or is it a bunch of hogwash? I know black absorbs heat (verses white) when the sun is involved - but does it make any difference under cover?
Tom Ives


Re: Fiberglassing Techniques

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

"jtenhave@..." wrote:

Pat,

I agree with you here, indeed I think that you might even be giving
the micro a better chance to wet out than would be the case with an optimal
layup. I am moving house right now so all my laminating gear and aircraft
projects are packed up, but I will do the experiment and report back.

A peel plied surface would also provide the same preparation for sanding and
filling.
A peel plied surface would he heavier, as all the void
space between
the threads would be filled with 100% epoxy. Additionally,
sanding
would be a serious drag, and would be necessary as there's
hardly a
good way to lay peel ply on a compound curved surface
without it wrinkling
and trapping high spots of pure epoxy.

On another note, as for placing 10oz bid directly over
uncured micro
(as the plans call for) I've had a bit of trouble keeping
the micro
from oozing (even if only a little bit) between the fibers
as I wet out
the first layer of glass, and therefore micro ends up
between the layers
of glass.

Pat


Re: Control Rod Clearance

L.J. French <LFrench@...>
 

OK, blast away. My main tank was built with the cutout for the control rods.
However, I later changed my fuel system and was trying to get a little more
control rod clearance over my fuel sender. I drilled new holes in the
control arms that were 3/4" higher than the factory. I also drilled a new
hole in the control stick that was 3/4" higher in order to keep the same
relationship as before. It does not appear to have affected anything else.
Comments and criticism please (yea, I know it's not per plans).
L. French

----- Original Message -----
From: Cash, Gene <CASH@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Fuel System Plumbing


The Tri-Q calls for a flat canard which creates the problem of no tank
clearance with the control rods. I had a set of rods bent up to allow for
the hump in the tank and I thought it looked and worked pretty good. The
EAA tech inspector didn't like it and I figured if he didn't like it the
FAA
probably wouldn't either. After looking over the Tri-Q instructions again
I
discovered they had a design that allowed for straight rods and cleared
the
hump. It uses a control link mounted on the tank. A straight single
control rod connects the stick to an intermediate control mounted on the
tank. Two control rods mount onto it also and link to the elevator
controls
(Q2CSA8). Good lesson for me here, read the instructions, the answers are
usually there. If you or anyone is interested, I can mail you a copy of
the
plans illustration for this straight rod control arrangement.

Gene Cash

-----Original Message-----
From: Boddicker [SMTP:trumanst@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 9:01 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Fuel System Plumbing

Has anyone out there had to cut into the main tank in order to make a
clearance trough or valley to make room for the CS13 to hook up to the
Q2CSA8? Sorry about all the numbers, but I want to be clear. The cutting
appears to be straight foreward. The repair, seal, and integrity are
another matter. I did not build this area of my Q. The original builders
solution was to make two pivots attached to the canard, that would in
turn hook up to the Q2CSA8 arms. Any thoughts would be helpfullllll !
Maybe someone has some documentation on the subject. I thought I had
read somewhere about an extended range tank.


Kevin



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Re: Fuel System Plumbing

Cash, Gene <CASH@...>
 

The Tri-Q calls for a flat canard which creates the problem of no tank
clearance with the control rods. I had a set of rods bent up to allow for
the hump in the tank and I thought it looked and worked pretty good. The
EAA tech inspector didn't like it and I figured if he didn't like it the FAA
probably wouldn't either. After looking over the Tri-Q instructions again I
discovered they had a design that allowed for straight rods and cleared the
hump. It uses a control link mounted on the tank. A straight single
control rod connects the stick to an intermediate control mounted on the
tank. Two control rods mount onto it also and link to the elevator controls
(Q2CSA8). Good lesson for me here, read the instructions, the answers are
usually there. If you or anyone is interested, I can mail you a copy of the
plans illustration for this straight rod control arrangement.

Gene Cash

-----Original Message-----
From: Boddicker [SMTP:trumanst@...]
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 9:01 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Fuel System Plumbing

Has anyone out there had to cut into the main tank in order to make a
clearance trough or valley to make room for the CS13 to hook up to the
Q2CSA8? Sorry about all the numbers, but I want to be clear. The cutting
appears to be straight foreward. The repair, seal, and integrity are
another matter. I did not build this area of my Q. The original builders
solution was to make two pivots attached to the canard, that would in
turn hook up to the Q2CSA8 arms. Any thoughts would be helpfullllll !
Maybe someone has some documentation on the subject. I thought I had
read somewhere about an extended range tank.


Kevin



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Vert Stab

Dave King <KingDWS@...>
 

Just wondering a couple of things. I was looking at the drawings and the
airfoil used caught my eye.
I ended up digitizing the airfoil and runnin it through xfoil. I couldn't
identify it by sight but its a 6.7%
airfoil.

It has a few not so good characterisitcs compared to the normally used
009/0012 airfoils. Its also fairly high drag compared to even a Naca 0012.
The max lift is on the low side as well. One of the things that really
stood out ws it was showing a staall alpha around 7 degrees.

Does anyone know if the same is used on the Q2 or the Dfly?

Dave