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Re: New Member New Q1 Build first questions

Mike Dwyer
 

I built in a 2 car garage connected to the house.  It's the best way.  Get home, turn on the TV, it sucks, go work on the plane!  It had a little higher ceiling than normal.  I could put the rear shell on without the engine or the engine on without the rear shell...  1200 hours and 18 months to build.

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 12:57 PM, cmartin0721@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Lots of good information here.


I would love to get more info on the Dolphin. A quick web search didn't turn up anything.

I really do want to fly vs build/design so I may lean more towards the Q200. I am building this in order to have a fun taildragger to fly while I work on my next homebuilding project. My schedule is such that I can put about 1000 hours into the project in the first year. I would love to be flying or very close to it by then.

Now a logistics question...Is the Q200 realistically buildable in a 2 car garage? I am most concerned about dust and smell into the house. The garage is attached to the house. I probably need to join my EAA chapter (Sugarland Texas) and see if I can rent some building space from someone. I think the hangars at KSGR are all rented out.

I pulled the plans from Quickheads (Q2) as well as the Gall alignment, LS1, and brake upgrades. Are there any other safety upgrades/mods I need to incorporate?

As for forming the foam, I am considering buying the pre-cut foam from Eureka CNC. Now I have enough left over CNC parts to build my own CNC cutter for free essentially...but I guess the question is whether its really worth the effort. I am most concerned about a truly correct rig on the AC.....I want it to fly in a balanced and harmonious manner. I am sure there are many Q2s that were cut by hand and fly well, right?

Craig
Houston, Texas.




Re: New member just got a tri q200

Sam Hoskins
 

You can go to the Quickheads website and they have most of the Q-2 plans freely available. Also, put out a plea for an experienced builder/flyer to come and look at your project. They will provide a lot of info, so you might want to video the visit.

Sam

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 4:42 PM chopndrag@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Yes I got the lakeland plane. The owner is a buddy of mine and I couldn't pass the deal he gave me up. To me having a motor in it to fly at first then change it isn't what I wanna do . If you look up Steve Henry from Wild West aircraft you'll see he's now running a rx1 . If he can neat the hell out of it doing stol competitions and all that back country flying without issue I'm sure my regular flying won't be an issue. My hanger neighbor has been running one for awhile now and he has had relatively no problems. If I build it with the motor or another I'm going to have to get used to it either way. Since the plane isn't done I can mount any engine in there no problem . The measurements arw already fine for the quickie cowl when I track one down . If I can't find a cowl I'll just make one . I have mold making experience and am a tig welder by trade. I also have a shop at home where I build a lot of parts for aircraft and also powder coat too. I'm very excited to start working on the plane but my only problem is having no real plans or manual for it. All I got were a manual that was a free download and I can tell it's missing a ton of info.


Re: New member just got a tri q200

Steve S
 

Yes I got the lakeland plane. The owner is a buddy of mine and I couldn't pass the deal he gave me up. To me having a motor in it to fly at first then change it isn't what I wanna do . If you look up Steve Henry from Wild West aircraft you'll see he's now running a rx1 . If he can neat the hell out of it doing stol competitions and all that back country flying without issue I'm sure my regular flying won't be an issue. My hanger neighbor has been running one for awhile now and he has had relatively no problems. If I build it with the motor or another I'm going to have to get used to it either way. Since the plane isn't done I can mount any engine in there no problem . The measurements arw already fine for the quickie cowl when I track one down . If I can't find a cowl I'll just make one . I have mold making experience and am a tig welder by trade. I also have a shop at home where I build a lot of parts for aircraft and also powder coat too. I'm very excited to start working on the plane but my only problem is having no real plans or manual for it. All I got were a manual that was a free download and I can tell it's missing a ton of info.


Re: New Member New Q1 Build first questions

Dan L
 

Hi Craig,

The 2 closest EAA chapters to you are Chapter 12 at Ellington and Chapter 774 in Katy. I am not sure about the make up of Chapter 774 but Chapter 12 has a couple of members flying or building/rebuilding canards like a Cozy or Varieze. I used to have a partially completed Q-1 but unfortunately it was completely consumed in a storage facility fire about a year and a half ago. Chapter 12 does not have a chapter hangar. I am not sure about the other 3 chapters in the Houston area. Decent hangar space seems to be hard to come by at a reasonable cost  at least on the South or Southeast side of the city. If you have garage space available that would be a great place to get started. Good Luck.

Dan

Now a logistics question...Is the Q200 realistically buildable in a 2 car garage? I am most concerned about dust and smell into the house. The garage is attached to the house. I probably need to join my EAA chapter (Sugarland Texas) and see if I can rent some building space from someone. I think the hangars at KSGR are all rented out.


Craig
Houston, Texas.


Re: Accident summary interim report

Paul Fisher
 

Nice analysis Jay.  Clearly low Q time (inexperience) is a major issue.  I always suspected that but your analysis confirms it.

I was confused by the X axis labels.  They don't appear to be ordered correctly.  I think the chart is valid, it is just confusing.

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF ~1650 hours (hopefully off your chart to stay!)

On Feb 13, 2018 3:01 PM, "'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

 

Hi All,

 

I am attaching a file my interim summary of the accidents for the entire Q fleet. I think it has some good information in it. I will continue to break down the stats further and report as time permits, but I believe the general conclusions in this report are useful to all right now.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Re: Accident summary interim report

Jay Scheevel
 

Guess what, Phil? Sanding is all done. I am putting the plane back together now. So now Kevin B. can tell me I have passed the 50% threshold!

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

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Thanks.  Now get back to sanding. 

 

Phil


On Feb 13, 2018, at 12:43 PM, 'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,

 

I have put a file on the Yahoo groups site with my interim summary of the accidents for the entire Q fleet. I think it has some good information in it. I will continue to break down the stats further and report as time permits, but I believe the general conclusions in this report are useful to all right now.

 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/Q-LIST/Quickie+Type+Aircraft+Accident+Analysis.pdf?token=siLegLWH-xDtqzAEjHqx_u5B76Oygy72Duj1RzYgpqSNlike3bbMhtxTe-nXl200J7tbn1RUorKzTNpzGSGuvkPuzvPPb vUbZwh-Lyg47ZTMSlVqod-gSTwLaNaPKRUyJgDCY3xvChStXqa-XiC4hYPgErFiLg3Glt33cg7VaoCU6lImtwI&type=download

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Re: Accident summary interim report

Jay Scheevel
 

 

Hi All,

 

I am attaching a file my interim summary of the accidents for the entire Q fleet. I think it has some good information in it. I will continue to break down the stats further and report as time permits, but I believe the general conclusions in this report are useful to all right now.

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Re: Accident summary interim report

britmcman99
 

Thanks.  Now get back to sanding. 

Phil


On Feb 13, 2018, at 12:43 PM, 'Jay Scheevel SGT' jay@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Hi All,

 

I have put a file on the Yahoo groups site with my interim summary of the accidents for the entire Q fleet. I think it has some good information in it. I will continue to break down the stats further and report as time permits, but I believe the general conclusions in this report are useful to all right now.

 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/Q-LIST/Quickie+Type+Aircraft+Accident+Analysis.pdf?token=siLegLWH-xDtqzAEjHqx_u5B76Oygy72Duj1RzYgpqSNlike3bbMhtxTe-nXl200J7tbn1RUorKzTNpzGSGuvkPuzvPPb vUbZwh-Lyg47ZTMSlVqod-gSTwLaNaPKRUyJgDCY3xvChStXqa-XiC4hYPgErFiLg3Glt33cg7VaoCU6lImtwI&type=download

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


Accident summary interim report

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi All,

 

I have put a file on the Yahoo groups site with my interim summary of the accidents for the entire Q fleet. I think it has some good information in it. I will continue to break down the stats further and report as time permits, but I believe the general conclusions in this report are useful to all right now.

 

https://xa.yimg.com/df/Q-LIST/Quickie+Type+Aircraft+Accident+Analysis.pdf?token=siLegLWH-xDtqzAEjHqx_u5B76Oygy72Duj1RzYgpqSNlike3bbMhtxTe-nXl200J7tbn1RUorKzTNpzGSGuvkPuzvPPbvUbZwh-Lyg47ZTMSlVqod-gSTwLaNaPKRUyJgDCY3xvChStXqa-XiC4hYPgErFiLg3Glt33cg7VaoCU6lImtwI&type=download

 

Cheers,

Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q, still building


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Re: New member just got a tri q200

Brian Hutchinson
 

Hi Steve good luck with the project. You're Q2-Tri was the one in Lakeland huh? Very cool you're considering alternative power plants which is what I'm interested in. However I agree that you may be better off using a proven power plant to start with. Learn to fly the plane, get used to its character then swap to the Yamaha. Im looking into using alternative engines primarily out of necessity as I want to build a multi engine craft. Multi engine provides a performance gain and redundancy for more safety on cross country and over water flight. I wouldn't be able to fit two certified aircraft engines in a two seater easily while staying within weight and balance. I'm making payments on a Dragonfly Kit with a VW. Similar to the Q planes. Anyway I'll be eager to see how you're project goes. I'm no expert but I'm happy to consider questions you'll have. Richard at fastlittleairplanes.com is a good resource of info on composites and quickies and dflys in particular.


Re: New member just got a tri q200

Steve S
 

The guys near me running the rx1 have hundreds of hours on them and have worked out the bugs. I'm not a fan of o200 considering all the other options out there . Where I'm at I have a 5500ft runway and plenty of room beyond for any mishap and being that I'm 150lbs on a good day weight isn't a issue. Auto conversions and all that are second nature to me since the gyros my dad had ran the ej22 so tinkering isn't a big deal . Right now the yamaha is top on the list for me . Working out bugs isn't a big deal anyway since I have a flting airplane now .


Re: Aileron Rigging Template

cmartin0721@...
 

Hello

Can I also get a copy of this CAD template??

Thank you.

Craig Martin


Re: New member just got a tri q200

cmartin0721@...
 

Matthew,

Some great info here. I would like to get in contact with you and pick your brain on the o200 rebuild / performance mods. I have just decided to go the o200 route myself after Phil opened my eyes on the wisdom of a Q200 vs a Q1 with a rotax 503.

I see cores for the O200 are fairly cheap and plentiful, and I have the latest engine rebuild manual and parts lists.

Thanks.

Craig


Re: New Member New Q1 Build first questions

lcigars@...
 

Look for Elliot Seguin from Mojave CA.
He got a huge record flight testing a beefy Q1.
Maybe, he will be willing to help you with your new design.
Good luck and have fun!!


Re: New Member New Q1 Build first questions

cmartin0721@...
 

Lots of good information here.

I would love to get more info on the Dolphin. A quick web search didn't turn up anything.

I really do want to fly vs build/design so I may lean more towards the Q200. I am building this in order to have a fun taildragger to fly while I work on my next homebuilding project. My schedule is such that I can put about 1000 hours into the project in the first year. I would love to be flying or very close to it by then.

Now a logistics question...Is the Q200 realistically buildable in a 2 car garage? I am most concerned about dust and smell into the house. The garage is attached to the house. I probably need to join my EAA chapter (Sugarland Texas) and see if I can rent some building space from someone. I think the hangars at KSGR are all rented out.

I pulled the plans from Quickheads (Q2) as well as the Gall alignment, LS1, and brake upgrades. Are there any other safety upgrades/mods I need to incorporate?

As for forming the foam, I am considering buying the pre-cut foam from Eureka CNC. Now I have enough left over CNC parts to build my own CNC cutter for free essentially...but I guess the question is whether its really worth the effort. I am most concerned about a truly correct rig on the AC.....I want it to fly in a balanced and harmonious manner. I am sure there are many Q2s that were cut by hand and fly well, right?

Craig
Houston, Texas.



Re: New member just got a tri q200

Steve S
 

The guys near me running the rx1 have hundreds of hours on them and have worked out the bugs. I'm not a fan of o200 considering all the other options out there . Where I'm at I have a 5500ft runway and plenty of room beyond for any mishap and being that I'm 150lbs on a good day weight isn't a issue. Auto conversions and all that are second nature to me since the gyros my dad had ran the ej22 so tinkering isn't a big deal . Right now the yamaha is top on the list for me . Working out bugs isn't a big deal anyway since I have a flting airplane now . 


On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:37 AM, Matthew Curcio mlcurcio89@... [Q-LIST]
wrote:
 

Sounds cool. Yamaha makes great engines sportbike engines. Would you consider putting an O-200 on it first to work out all of the airframe bugs prior to having to work out engine bugs? The Q is an awesome cross country airplane but it is not a top performer in take off or landing. You will land at ~80mph and need ~2000 to get it stopped. Takeoff is maybe 1000 feet if your light and at sea level but you'll eat up some runway building up airspeed to start climbing. I say that because if you start to lose your engine on takeoff, even a 6000 foot strip at sea level would be tight to be able to land straight ahead on takeoff. Gyro planes, weight shift, slow airplanes, etc. are great for playing around with motors but something that lands with as much energy as the q does is not an ideal platform. I've done the car motor thing on my amphib (lands slow and can land safely almost anywhere) and what I found was that while the initial cost was less, the cost to get the bugs worked out was far more than the cost of an airplane motor. If you like tinkering with engines and you want to save money maybe you can look for a good deal on a disassembled o-200 with some time on it?


 I ended up replacing the suzuki motor on my amphib with an o-235 that had some time on it and was disassembled. I paid 2k for it, did the top end and re-assembly myself, designed a custom bed for the airframe and engine, designed a custom exhaust, intake, oil pan etc. and it was a fraction of what I had spent on the car motor and I spent 1/38 of the time working on it in 140 flight hours as I did in 70 flight hours on the Suzuki. I've put 50 hours on my q in the last couple of months flying across the country and all over the west coast and while I never count on the motor running to keep me alive I wouldn't trade that O-200 for ANYTHING. Also, if you are using a carbureted R1 engine you'll need to add mixture control and if your using fuel injection that you won't be able to burn 100ll. That's not a big deal on a gyro but for a cross country machine that is a game over, sure you can use additives to get rid of the lead. These things that sound like little hurdles will really eat into the mission of the Q.


If your selling yourself on the additional power and fuel consumption you could get from the R1 motor, high compression pistons, fuel injection, tuned exhaust, intake and electronic ignition on the O-200 will beat the R1 motor in power and fuel burn.  



Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773




From: Q-LIST@... on behalf of chopndrag@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:27 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] New member just got a tri q200
 
 

I just acquired a quickie q2 project Saturday. It is in boat form ready to have the wings and gear mounted. I currently own a Avid mk4 speed wing and have 20 years of experimental aircraft building from airplanes to gyrocopters. I do not plan on using a o200 on my plane and am thinking way out of the box with the yamaha rx1 120hp motor. I know several people with them on gyros and airplanes that love them. I only got a crude manual so I'll be asking tons of questions about this little hot rod.
Steve
Avid mk4
Quickie tri q200 project


Re: New member just got a tri q200

Matthew Curcio
 

Sounds cool. Yamaha makes great engines sportbike engines. Would you consider putting an O-200 on it first to work out all of the airframe bugs prior to having to work out engine bugs? The Q is an awesome cross country airplane but it is not a top performer in take off or landing. You will land at ~80mph and need ~2000 to get it stopped. Takeoff is maybe 1000 feet if your light and at sea level but you'll eat up some runway building up airspeed to start climbing. I say that because if you start to lose your engine on takeoff, even a 6000 foot strip at sea level would be tight to be able to land straight ahead on takeoff. Gyro planes, weight shift, slow airplanes, etc. are great for playing around with motors but something that lands with as much energy as the q does is not an ideal platform. I've done the car motor thing on my amphib (lands slow and can land safely almost anywhere) and what I found was that while the initial cost was less, the cost to get the bugs worked out was far more than the cost of an airplane motor. If you like tinkering with engines and you want to save money maybe you can look for a good deal on a disassembled o-200 with some time on it?


 I ended up replacing the suzuki motor on my amphib with an o-235 that had some time on it and was disassembled. I paid 2k for it, did the top end and re-assembly myself, designed a custom bed for the airframe and engine, designed a custom exhaust, intake, oil pan etc. and it was a fraction of what I had spent on the car motor and I spent 1/38 of the time working on it in 140 flight hours as I did in 70 flight hours on the Suzuki. I've put 50 hours on my q in the last couple of months flying across the country and all over the west coast and while I never count on the motor running to keep me alive I wouldn't trade that O-200 for ANYTHING. Also, if you are using a carbureted R1 engine you'll need to add mixture control and if your using fuel injection that you won't be able to burn 100ll. That's not a big deal on a gyro but for a cross country machine that is a game over, sure you can use additives to get rid of the lead. These things that sound like little hurdles will really eat into the mission of the Q.


If your selling yourself on the additional power and fuel consumption you could get from the R1 motor, high compression pistons, fuel injection, tuned exhaust, intake and electronic ignition on the O-200 will beat the R1 motor in power and fuel burn.  



Matthew Curcio

419.290.3773




From: Q-LIST@... on behalf of chopndrag@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:27 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] New member just got a tri q200
 
 

I just acquired a quickie q2 project Saturday. It is in boat form ready to have the wings and gear mounted. I currently own a Avid mk4 speed wing and have 20 years of experimental aircraft building from airplanes to gyrocopters. I do not plan on using a o200 on my plane and am thinking way out of the box with the yamaha rx1 120hp motor. I know several people with them on gyros and airplanes that love them. I only got a crude manual so I'll be asking tons of questions about this little hot rod.
Steve
Avid mk4
Quickie tri q200 project


New member just got a tri q200

Steve S
 

I just acquired a quickie q2 project Saturday. It is in boat form ready to have the wings and gear mounted. I currently own a Avid mk4 speed wing and have 20 years of experimental aircraft building from airplanes to gyrocopters. I do not plan on using a o200 on my plane and am thinking way out of the box with the yamaha rx1 120hp motor. I know several people with them on gyros and airplanes that love them. I only got a crude manual so I'll be asking tons of questions about this little hot rod.
Steve
Avid mk4
Quickie tri q200 project


Re: New Member New Q1 Build first questions

Brian Hutchinson
 

I thought that that Carbon Q-1 wasn't completed in time for that competition. It looked like only Four entries competed and the Q wasn't one of them. Maybe I'm wrong. I wanted to see it but couldn't find much on that plane. Maybe the plane was completed but had a problem or was disqualified for one reason or another. Yeah I wanted to see what they were working with because I was considering a Bio Diesel/ Electric hybrid configuration that would be super efficient.

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