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Re: looking for a kit..

Brad Walker
 

Just outside of Boulder, CO..


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:37 PM, ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Where in Colorado. In in the Springs.
Re: looking for a kit..

meachamlake@...
 

Have a kit in Oregon.  Had reaction to fiberglass and resin.  Stored inside. Photos on request. meachamlake@... 541nine6nine8four4four.
ML
Re: Short Field Takeoff

britmcman99
 

Attach a para-wing to your Q-200 and you can probably get good short field performance. Just thinking out loud. 

Phil


On Nov 14, 2017, at 11:42 AM, 'Jerry Marstall' jerrylm1986@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

Too short for me.  Best not to need to abort for any reason.  What is it like off the end of that runway?

Jerry

 

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:28 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Short Field Takeoff

 

 

Jim, 

In your language, what is a short field take off. One of our guys was operating from 2281 feet for a while, 0200 TriQ with just reflex no T tail. 

Is that short ? 

Richard Thomson

UK.

 

 

Sent from my HTC

 
Re: looking for a kit..

Norm Parmley <norm_parm@...>
 

I have a project, and considering selling. I live in North Carolina. My phone is 252-671-1567, or my email is norm_parm@...


On Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 6:24:53 PM EST, Brad Walker bwalker@... [Q-LIST] wrote:


 

I live in Colorado. But, I can travel just about anywhere. I'm not limited by geography. Okay, maybe continent.

I'm looking for a kit, either close to finished or partially finished. I'm not sure a virgin kit would be something that I'm interested in but would defer to the advice of people in the group.

I would like to get my hands on a good set of blueprints, if someone could suggest where to look for this.

-brad w.


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Phil Lankford britmcman@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Please state your location and preference for kit, taildragger, tri-q and other details that might refine your choice selection. 

Phil


On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Brad Walker bwalker@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I've been lurking on the Q-List for a very long time..

I think I'm about financially & emotionally ready to start looking for a kit.

Any suggests/comments/wisdom about where to find kits and what to do would be appreciated.

-brad w.
Re: looking for a kit..

britmcman99
 

I am in San Diego, CA and may have just the thing for you. Please contact me directly by email at britmcman@.... 

Best regards,

Phil


On Nov 14, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Brad Walker bwalker@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I live in Colorado. But, I can travel just about anywhere. I'm not limited by geography. Okay, maybe continent.

I'm looking for a kit, either close to finished or partially finished. I'm not sure a virgin kit would be something that I'm interested in but would defer to the advice of people in the group.

I would like to get my hands on a good set of blueprints, if someone could suggest where to look for this.

-brad w.


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Phil Lankford britmcman@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Please state your location and preference for kit, taildragger, tri-q and other details that might refine your choice selection. 

Phil


On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Brad Walker bwalker@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I've been lurking on the Q-List for a very long time..

I think I'm about financially & emotionally ready to start looking for a kit.

Any suggests/comments/wisdom about where to find kits and what to do would be appreciated.

-brad w.
Re: looking for a kit..

Ben Schneider <plumberben@...>
 

Brad,

I know you said you were looking for a partially completed kit, but have you looked on Barnstormers? There is an air frame listed in Denver. Not sure where your at in CO, but thats probably about as close as you can expect to find one. It looks like a decent air frame, is has hours on it, but if you were to referb it, you could spend some quality time with it, and make it your own. I like it, but its too darn far away for me. Price is right too.

Best,
Ben
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On Tue, 11/14/17, Brad Walker bwalker@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

Subject: [Q-LIST] looking for a kit..
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2017, 3:57 PM


 









I've been
lurking on the Q-List for a very long time..

I think I'm about
financially & emotionally ready to start looking for a
kit.

Any
suggests/comments/wisdom about where to find kits and what
to do would be appreciated.

-brad w.











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Re: looking for a kit..

ryan goodman
 

Where in Colorado. In in the Springs.


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Brad Walker bwalker@... [Q-LIST]
wrote:
 

I live in Colorado. But, I can travel just about anywhere. I'm not limited by geography. Okay, maybe continent.

I'm looking for a kit, either close to finished or partially finished. I'm not sure a virgin kit would be something that I'm interested in but would defer to the advice of people in the group.

I would like to get my hands on a good set of blueprints, if someone could suggest where to look for this.

-brad w.


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Phil Lankford britmcman@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Please state your location and preference for kit, taildragger, tri-q and other details that might refine your choice selection. 

Phil


On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Brad Walker bwalker@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I've been lurking on the Q-List for a very long time..

I think I'm about financially & emotionally ready to start looking for a kit.

Any suggests/comments/wisdom about where to find kits and what to do would be appreciated.

-brad w.
Engine upgrade

Jay Foss
 

Hey looking to do an engine HP upgrade. Anybody have a rotax or UL engine?
Any thoughts on the Rotax 912uls?
Thx Jay
Re: looking for a kit..

Brad Walker
 

I live in Colorado. But, I can travel just about anywhere. I'm not limited by geography. Okay, maybe continent.

I'm looking for a kit, either close to finished or partially finished. I'm not sure a virgin kit would be something that I'm interested in but would defer to the advice of people in the group.

I would like to get my hands on a good set of blueprints, if someone could suggest where to look for this.

-brad w.


On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Phil Lankford britmcman@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Please state your location and preference for kit, taildragger, tri-q and other details that might refine your choice selection. 

Phil


On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Brad Walker bwalker@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I've been lurking on the Q-List for a very long time..

I think I'm about financially & emotionally ready to start looking for a kit.

Any suggests/comments/wisdom about where to find kits and what to do would be appreciated.

-brad w.
Re: looking for a kit..

britmcman99
 

Please state your location and preference for kit, taildragger, tri-q and other details that might refine your choice selection. 
Phil


On Nov 14, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Brad Walker bwalker@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I've been lurking on the Q-List for a very long time..

I think I'm about financially & emotionally ready to start looking for a kit.

Any suggests/comments/wisdom about where to find kits and what to do would be appreciated.

-brad w.
looking for a kit..

Brad Walker
 

I've been lurking on the Q-List for a very long time..

I think I'm about financially & emotionally ready to start looking for a kit.

Any suggests/comments/wisdom about where to find kits and what to do would be appreciated.

-brad w.
Re: Short Field Takeoff

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Jim,

The take-off speed is pretty much a given, as there is little one can do to on our standard hinged control surfaces that would increase the effective wing area. That said, the Q-2 does really nerver uses all of it's wing area effectively because it is impossible to get a all of the wing area into a full stall attitude like you can do with a conventional aircraft layout.

Let me explain where I am going with this. At normal takeoff in the dragger-Q, once reaching an appropriate takeoff speed, a mild elevator deflection will cause the Q to lift off from a 3 point (or close to that) and climb out with pretty much the same deck angle as it was on the runway. During the takoff roll, weight on the wheels is gradually reduced as speed increases, drag from the gear on the runway decrease,  but induced drag increases during the roll because of a constant 7 degrees or so of AOA on both wings during the whole process.

What if you were to deflect the reflexor downward (trailing edge down) for the take off? This configuration will introduce camber to the interior half of the MW (like flaps). The resulting increase in MW lift and forward pitching moment will cause the tail to come up early in the takeoff roll. (like a conventional taildragger, where you intentionally lift the tail then later rotate for takeoff). With the tail up there is much less induced drag from both wings, especially during the later stages of the takeoff roll. The result of less induced drag over the duration of the takeoff roll would be more rapid acceleration, meaning shorter distance to reach takeoff speed. Once takeoff speed is reached, an aggressive application of elevator lifts the main gear off and starts the climb in ground effect. The takeoff and initial climb will give you at weird feeling, because it will happen at a low deck angle, despite lots of back pressure on the stick and a slower than normal climb airspeed. After rising out of ground effect, a gradually easing the reflexor back to neutral will bring the nose up and ease the back-pressure and pitch and airspeed will return to the more familiar range.

Of course, none of this has been tested on a real Quickie, but a lot of it could be verified at a safe alttitude through experimentation with the reflexor settings...hint, hint...

Cheers,
Jay
Re: Short Field Takeoff

Jerry Marstall
 

Too short for me.  Best not to need to abort for any reason.  What is it like off the end of that runway?

Jerry

 

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 2:28 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Short Field Takeoff

 

 

Jim, 

In your language, what is a short field take off. One of our guys was operating from 2281 feet for a while, 0200 TriQ with just reflex no T tail. 

Is that short ? 

Richard Thomson

UK.

 

 

Sent from my HTC

 
Re: Short Field Takeoff

Richard Thomson
 

Re: Short Field Takeoff

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Without a lift augmenting device such as flaps, I think we are without options. Jerry 



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "logistics_engineering@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: 11/13/17 7:00 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Short Field Takeoff

 

Question:

Has anyone flying a Q discovered a way to decrease takeoff roll for a short field takeoff?

Jim P.
N46JP Q200
Still flying weekly.

Re: Short Field Takeoff

ΕΔΔΥ . <overlordmustafa@...>
 

JATO?

On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 6:00 PM, logistics_engineering@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Question:

Has anyone flying a Q discovered a way to decrease takeoff roll for a short field takeoff?

Jim P.
N46JP Q200
Still flying weekly.


Re: Short Field Takeoff

Paul Fisher
 

I get a MUCH shorter takeoff roll with an outside air temperature of ~10 degrees Fahrenheit an a 15 knot wind right down the runway.  But it is fairly uncomfortable getting in and out of the airplane!!  ;-)  

Yeah, I know that's not what you are asking for, but I am always surprised by the performance in the winter!!

But to your question, no I've never found any magic to shorten the takeoff roll.  I always keep the elevators neutral to minimize drag until I reach flying speed, but other than that I just put in full power and it is what it is.

Sorry Jim, I'm no help.

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF ~1,650 hours over 27+ years


On Nov 13, 2017 6:00 PM, "logistics_engineering@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Question:

Has anyone flying a Q discovered a way to decrease takeoff roll for a short field takeoff?

Jim P.
N46JP Q200
Still flying weekly.


Short Field Takeoff

Jim Patillo
 

Question:

Has anyone flying a Q discovered a way to decrease takeoff roll for a short field takeoff?

Jim P.
N46JP Q200
Still flying weekly.
Re: Terrible misfortune

John Hartley
 

Scam!

It doesn't look like his things were stolen, it looks like his Yahoo account was hacked...

John

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Good Morning,
I'm writing this with tears in my eyes, My family and i came down here to Marseille on a short trip,unfortunately we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed all cash,credit card and mobile phone were stolen off us but luckily we still have our passports with us.
         I made contact with my bank but it would take me 5 working days to access funds in my account,the bad news is our flight will be leaving in less than 8-hrs from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills.
I'll need your help financially and i promise to make the refund once we get back home,Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you.

I anticipate your response
Charles Johnson
Terrible misfortune

One Sky Dog
 

Good Morning,
I'm writing this with tears in my eyes, My family and i came down here to Marseille on a short trip,unfortunately we were mugged at the park of the hotel where we stayed all cash,credit card and mobile phone were stolen off us but luckily we still have our passports with us.
         I made contact with my bank but it would take me 5 working days to access funds in my account,the bad news is our flight will be leaving in less than 8-hrs from now but we're having problems settling the hotel bills and the hotel manager won't let us leave until we settle the bills.
I'll need your help financially and i promise to make the refund once we get back home,Please let me know if i can count on you and i need you to keep checking your email because it's the only way i can reach you.

I anticipate your response
Charles Johnson
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