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Jim Patillo
 

Does anyone have a Terra 760D comm they would like to sell. Mine has worked well but I need a back for when mine fails.

Jim Patillo
N46JP -Q200


Re: One Week until the FOD Flyin!

sanjay <Sanjay@...>
 

Paul, I am planning to be there Friday evening.
Sanjay



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-------- Original message --------
From: "N142LF n142lf@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: 09/17/2017 11:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] One Week until the FOD Flyin!

 

Paul,
I can't get away Friday afternoon, but if the weather holds I plan to kick off early Saturday. 
L. French


On Sep 15, 2017, at 11:57 AM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

I hope all of the rest of you are as excited as I am!  The Field of Dreams Tandem Wing flyin is next weekend in Davenport Iowa (KDVN).  Could I see a show of hands of who is planning to attend?  I need to make sure we've got enough food and drinks.  I realize weather (or motorcycles?!?) may still play a factor in whether or not you can actually make it, so at this point I'm just looking for intent.  Send me a note privately or here on the list so I can count heads.

Here's my plan (such as it is):
  •  Friday morning - get the hangar opened up for arrivals
  •  Friday noon - fly out to Muscatine (KMUT ~30 miles) for lunch
  •  Friday night - Dinner at Lynn's BBQ - same place as last year
  •  Saturday morning - more arrivals, flying, and bad jokes (right Kevin?)
  •  Saturday afternoon - cookout at the hangar - similar to last year (nobody went hungry!)
  •  Saturday evening - Ice Cream social at the hangar (since everyone is still full from the cookout!)
  • Sunday - departures and a safe flight home for everyone

So fly in or drive in, just get here.  This may be the only place you will see this many tandem wing aircraft (maybe 15?) in the same spot!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200 N17PF





Re: One Week until the FOD Flyin!

Lynn French
 

Paul,
I can't get away Friday afternoon, but if the weather holds I plan to kick off early Saturday. 
L. French


On Sep 15, 2017, at 11:57 AM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

I hope all of the rest of you are as excited as I am!  The Field of Dreams Tandem Wing flyin is next weekend in Davenport Iowa (KDVN).  Could I see a show of hands of who is planning to attend?  I need to make sure we've got enough food and drinks.  I realize weather (or motorcycles?!?) may still play a factor in whether or not you can actually make it, so at this point I'm just looking for intent.  Send me a note privately or here on the list so I can count heads.

Here's my plan (such as it is):
  •  Friday morning - get the hangar opened up for arrivals
  •  Friday noon - fly out to Muscatine (KMUT ~30 miles) for lunch
  •  Friday night - Dinner at Lynn's BBQ - same place as last year
  •  Saturday morning - more arrivals, flying, and bad jokes (right Kevin?)
  •  Saturday afternoon - cookout at the hangar - similar to last year (nobody went hungry!)
  •  Saturday evening - Ice Cream social at the hangar (since everyone is still full from the cookout!)
  • Sunday - departures and a safe flight home for everyone

So fly in or drive in, just get here.  This may be the only place you will see this many tandem wing aircraft (maybe 15?) in the same spot!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200 N17PF





Re: One Week until the FOD Flyin!

Bruce Crain
 


Re: Reflector move to panel

ryan goodman
 

Ah I see.  I have toe brakes.  So that explains why I don't have that


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 8:29 PM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST]
wrote:
 

Brake master cylinder's.  They are controlled by the two handles between the reflexor and the brake masters.

Paul

On Sep 16, 2017 9:23 PM, "ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Paul,  what is they hydraulic stuff I see in the "fender" well area


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:47 PM, ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]
<Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

I like that install.  I may copy you. 


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST]
<Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Mine is in the left armrest: https://photos.app. goo.gl/KUA8KeNWHBdwWxX53

It has worked well there for 27 years.  I like the vernier control which gives me very fine control of the reflexor.  I twist it to adjust in flight, I do NOT push the button and push or pull.

As long as you have positive and fine control, I don't know why it wouldn't work on the panel.  Just don't put it too close to any other controls - pulling the reflexor instead of the throttle on short final could end badly.

Just my opinion.

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF

On Sep 16, 2017 4:37 PM, "ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Anyone have their reflexor I  the panel instead of the bulkhead I'm seriously thinking of moving mine there but I just wanted to get everybody's thoughts on it


Re: Reflector move to panel

Paul Fisher
 

Brake master cylinder's.  They are controlled by the two handles between the reflexor and the brake masters.

Paul

On Sep 16, 2017 9:23 PM, "ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Paul,  what is they hydraulic stuff I see in the "fender" well area


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:47 PM, ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]
<Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

I like that install.  I may copy you. 


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST]
<Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Mine is in the left armrest: https://photos.app.goo.gl/KUA8KeNWHBdwWxX53

It has worked well there for 27 years.  I like the vernier control which gives me very fine control of the reflexor.  I twist it to adjust in flight, I do NOT push the button and push or pull.

As long as you have positive and fine control, I don't know why it wouldn't work on the panel.  Just don't put it too close to any other controls - pulling the reflexor instead of the throttle on short final could end badly.

Just my opinion.

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF

On Sep 16, 2017 4:37 PM, "ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Anyone have their reflexor I  the panel instead of the bulkhead I'm seriously thinking of moving mine there but I just wanted to get everybody's thoughts on it


Re: Reflector move to panel

ryan goodman
 

Paul,  what is they hydraulic stuff I see in the "fender" well area


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:47 PM, ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]
wrote:
 

I like that install.  I may copy you. 


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST]
wrote:
 

Mine is in the left armrest: https://photos.app.goo.gl/KUA8KeNWHBdwWxX53

It has worked well there for 27 years.  I like the vernier control which gives me very fine control of the reflexor.  I twist it to adjust in flight, I do NOT push the button and push or pull.

As long as you have positive and fine control, I don't know why it wouldn't work on the panel.  Just don't put it too close to any other controls - pulling the reflexor instead of the throttle on short final could end badly.

Just my opinion.

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF

On Sep 16, 2017 4:37 PM, "ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Anyone have their reflexor I  the panel instead of the bulkhead I'm seriously thinking of moving mine there but I just wanted to get everybody's thoughts on it


Re: Reflector move to panel

ryan goodman
 

I like that install.  I may copy you. 


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST]
wrote:
 

Mine is in the left armrest: https://photos.app.goo.gl/KUA8KeNWHBdwWxX53

It has worked well there for 27 years.  I like the vernier control which gives me very fine control of the reflexor.  I twist it to adjust in flight, I do NOT push the button and push or pull.

As long as you have positive and fine control, I don't know why it wouldn't work on the panel.  Just don't put it too close to any other controls - pulling the reflexor instead of the throttle on short final could end badly.

Just my opinion.

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF

On Sep 16, 2017 4:37 PM, "ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Anyone have their reflexor I  the panel instead of the bulkhead I'm seriously thinking of moving mine there but I just wanted to get everybody's thoughts on it


Re: Reflector move to panel

Jim Patillo
 

Ditto

Jim
N46JP-Q200


Re: Reflector move to panel

Paul Fisher
 

Mine is in the left armrest: https://photos.app.goo.gl/KUA8KeNWHBdwWxX53

It has worked well there for 27 years.  I like the vernier control which gives me very fine control of the reflexor.  I twist it to adjust in flight, I do NOT push the button and push or pull.

As long as you have positive and fine control, I don't know why it wouldn't work on the panel.  Just don't put it too close to any other controls - pulling the reflexor instead of the throttle on short final could end badly.

Just my opinion.

Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF

On Sep 16, 2017 4:37 PM, "ryan goodman elboy0712@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Anyone have their reflexor I  the panel instead of the bulkhead I'm seriously thinking of moving mine there but I just wanted to get everybody's thoughts on it


Reflector move to panel

ryan goodman
 

Anyone have their reflexor I  the panel instead of the bulkhead I'm seriously thinking of moving mine there but I just wanted to get everybody's thoughts on it


Re: Future Q flyer

Earnest Martin <MartinErni@...>
 

You to too much time on your hands. 

Earnest Martin 
40 Glen Cove Drive 
Arden NC 28704-3219
828-230-5378


On Sep 16, 2017, at 10:23 AM, 'Jerry Marstall' jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


Re: Through the Weeds , long

britmcman99
 

Awesome write-up Charlie! In case you need more corvair engine goodies, I think Larry Baxter might have one waiting to assemble.

Phil

On Sep 16, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Charlie oneskydog@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

n the fire sleeved fuel lines and the Ellison throttle body carb. More flying the rest of the season no indicated problems. Some times you cannot see the forest for the trees. I was treating symptoms and missed the root cause.

Late February it is a nice day to go flying. I was unable to go to Morgan county airport during my phase


Re: Through the Weeds , long

Jim Patillo
 

Charlie,

An excellent read. Thank you for sharing your story.

The only reason I mentioned the 0200 is that it really is an excellent choice for the Q200 and Justin and Tom's 0200 Dragonflys seemed to work well.

You're right nothing is infallible but the 0200 seems to work well in these planes. You can run the crap out of um and like the "Everready Bunny" they can take a lickin' and keep on tickin'

Hoping your retirement is treating you well. I still enjoy my work so retiring seems to be alluding me. I told someone a while back, I never really never had a job so what would I retire from.


Regards,
Jim
N46JP - Q200


Through the Weeds , long

One Sky Dog
 

Jim,

I have considered an O-200, I have also beat myself up for not buying Justin Mace's Dragonfly. There are plenty of Corvair engines dragging airplanes through the sky for hundreds of hours and a few over 1000 hours with out problems. My problem was a fuel system failure not an engine problem.

There was nothing wrong with the engine until the prop hit the snow. The problem surfaced after 76 hrs of flight time on the new plane. I am not a firewall forward designer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once. I emulated the VW installation and got information off the internet. I also read Tony B.s book.

I thought I was pretty much done with testing and had done sawtooth climbs for performance and 4000 ft climbs lightly loaded. Round trip Ogden to Wendover non stop managing tanks. My engine temps were better than ever after many baffle and inlet /outlet modifications.

The problem surfaced the previous summer when I loaded up for my first X- country flight. I got fifty miles after climbing out from under B airspace the engine was not happy at 9000 MSL. I turned around and descended to 6000 MSL to go under the B airspace. Just before I was to cross the Great Salt Lake I got a high fuel flow alarm. I made a precautionary landing at TVY. No one there, de-cowled and found nothing amiss. I put the cowl back on and started it every thing was in the green. Taxied around and did an extended run up everything normal. I flew home along the East side of Antelope Is over dirt. A few weeks later I did another extended climb from 5000 MSL and at 9500 got another high fuel flow alarm. I returned to the airport and everything was in the green on the way back normal approach and landing.

I reread Tony B.s book and installed a NACA inlet in the cowl and plumbed blast tubes to blow on the fire sleeved fuel lines and the Ellison throttle body carb. More flying the rest of the season no indicated problems. Some times you cannot see the forest for the trees. I was treating symptoms and missed the root cause.

Late February it is a nice day to go flying. I was unable to go to Morgan county airport during my phase 1 flight testing due to my limited FAA area. I had signed myself off as completing testing and was ready to go exploring.

I took off and did not want to into HAFB airspace so I climbed out to the north until out of D airspace and went east over the mountains nice sunny day. I descended to pattern altitude to check out the airport. No activity so I decided not to land I climbed out in a big circle around the airport and crossed over Trappers Loop Ridge into Ogden Valley and decided not to go through Ogden Canyon as I was below the peaks still. I decided North Ogden divide would be a better choice and give me more room to get into the pattern. Halfway to North Ogden divide no warning the engine spooled down. Unable to restart but trying I surveyed the situation and picked out a field. I did a text book Dragonfly wheeled landing on 10" of frozen snow crust. Things got ugly in the high speed taxi but it stayed upright so I shut everything off except the ELT and got out.

I checked the regulations for guidance, made a call and recovered the airplane in a few hours.

After assessing everything and doing more fuel flow tests to drain the 12 gallons of fuel out of the airplane I believe the root cause was placing the carb too close to the oil pan. The blast tubes cooled the fuel lines and fuel flow sensor to prevent bubbles from spinning the sensor fast enough to alarm. Down stream at the Ellison pressure regulator the attached to the carb the casting was soaking up the heat radiating off my oil pan at 250 degrees. The boiling point of water at 9000 ft is 195 F. a 17 degree reduction due to lower atmospheric pressure. All fluids do the same thing I think at 9000 ft I was reaching a perfect combination even with the fuel pump on and a vapor/excess flow return circulating header tank fuel the carb regulator vapor locked due to high local temperature. The fuel pump is mounted inside before the final filter and the fuel flow sensor was between the firewall and carb so there was pressure reductions before the hot regulator.

The new plan is an updraft MS-3 carb and a new intake to place the carb between the firewall behind and lower than the engine away from radiated heat. Cowl mods as required. I am building another Corvair engine for this plane in November. I plan on returning to Utah after the snow melts to continue with the repairs and rebuild.

I have mounted another canard on the airplane. The airfoil contour needed work so I have sanded off the old finish and auto fillers up to 12 layers in some places. I will re contour next spring and re do the wing root and belly fairings to match the airplane. I have the elevators mostly redone with a final coat of paint remaining. I made landing light, taxi light, and wing tip strobe buckets and installed them in the new canard.

I am sure that I have made mistakes along the way and others can be critical but I still think a Corvair powered Dragonfly is a viable combination. It may not be the best solution and maybe I will end up with a different solution but for now rebuild the damage and carry on. O-200 engines are not magical, I have an O-300 in my Cessna that has had its share of problems.

I only have one life and I intend to live it to the fullest. I am aware that I have come close and could have been killed a few times. It makes me more resolved to learn and correct my errors.

Looking west up final approach.



Breaking through the crust the taxi did not go well. Mountains to the east, north, south, and west.

Regards your friend,

Charlie

On Sep 15, 2017, at 10:47 PM, logistics_engineering@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

Charlie,

That must have been an interesting excursion in the weeds. Did your engine quit or what?

How many lives have you burned up. I know of a few. Glad you came out unscathed again. I hope you and Bob are doing well.

Best wishes on repairs. Have you ever considered an 0200?

Jim
N46JP-Q200

My bird is still going strong and closing in on 1500 hrs. Vacuum pump just took a shit. Time for a new one. 😪

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Re: One Week until the FOD Flyin!

Dave Dugas
 

Rod and I are planning to leave Thursday morning, so we should arrive Thursday evening. .....or Friday morning. I'll have aprs.fi/n68dd turned on.
Dave D



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...>
Date: 09/15/2017 12:57 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: q-list@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] One Week until the FOD Flyin!

 

I hope all of the rest of you are as excited as I am!  The Field of Dreams Tandem Wing flyin is next weekend in Davenport Iowa (KDVN).  Could I see a show of hands of who is planning to attend?  I need to make sure we've got enough food and drinks.  I realize weather (or motorcycles?!?) may still play a factor in whether or not you can actually make it, so at this point I'm just looking for intent.  Send me a note privately or here on the list so I can count heads.

Here's my plan (such as it is):
  •  Friday morning - get the hangar opened up for arrivals
  •  Friday noon - fly out to Muscatine (KMUT ~30 miles) for lunch
  •  Friday night - Dinner at Lynn's BBQ - same place as last year
  •  Saturday morning - more arrivals, flying, and bad jokes (right Kevin?)
  •  Saturday afternoon - cookout at the hangar - similar to last year (nobody went hungry!)
  •  Saturday evening - Ice Cream social at the hangar (since everyone is still full from the cookout!)
  • Sunday - departures and a safe flight home for everyone

So fly in or drive in, just get here.  This may be the only place you will see this many tandem wing aircraft (maybe 15?) in the same spot!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200 N17PF





Re: One Week until the FOD Flyin!

Jim Patillo
 

Charlie,

That must have been an interesting excursion in the weeds. Did your engine quit or what?

How many lives have you burned up. I know of a few. Glad you came out unscathed again. I hope you and Bob are doing well.

Best wishes on repairs. Have you ever considered an 0200?

Jim
N46JP-Q200

My bird is still going strong and closing in on 1500 hrs. Vacuum pump just took a shit. Time for a new one. 😪


Re: One Week until the FOD Flyin!

Earnest Martin <MartinErni@...>
 

Weather permitting I'll be there. Really looking forward to seeing some really old aviators again. 

Earnest Martin 
40 Glen Cove Drive 
Arden NC 28704-3219
828-230-5378


On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

 

I hope all of the rest of you are as excited as I am!  The Field of Dreams Tandem Wing flyin is next weekend in Davenport Iowa (KDVN).  Could I see a show of hands of who is planning to attend?  I need to make sure we've got enough food and drinks.  I realize weather (or motorcycles?!?) may still play a factor in whether or not you can actually make it, so at this point I'm just looking for intent.  Send me a note privately or here on the list so I can count heads.

Here's my plan (such as it is):
  •  Friday morning - get the hangar opened up for arrivals
  •  Friday noon - fly out to Muscatine (KMUT ~30 miles) for lunch
  •  Friday night - Dinner at Lynn's BBQ - same place as last year
  •  Saturday morning - more arrivals, flying, and bad jokes (right Kevin?)
  •  Saturday afternoon - cookout at the hangar - similar to last year (nobody went hungry!)
  •  Saturday evening - Ice Cream social at the hangar (since everyone is still full from the cookout!)
  • Sunday - departures and a safe flight home for everyone

So fly in or drive in, just get here.  This may be the only place you will see this many tandem wing aircraft (maybe 15?) in the same spot!

Paul A. Fisher
Q-200 N17PF





Re: One Week until the FOD Flyin!

Terry Crouch
 

I'll be there to receive the award for the shortest drive and taxi to attend the fly in.

Terry Crouch
Quickie N14TC


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Fisher rv7a.n18pf@... [Q-LIST]
To: q-list
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 12:05 pm
Subject: [Q-LIST] One Week until the FOD Flyin!

 
I hope all of the rest of you are as excited as I am!  The Field of Dreams Tandem Wing flyin is next weekend in Davenport Iowa (KDVN).  Could I see a show of hands of who is planning to attend?  I need to make sure we've got enough food and drinks.  I realize weather (or motorcycles?!?) may still play a factor in whether or not you can actually make it, so at this point I'm just looking for intent.  Send me a note privately or here on the list so I can count heads.

Here's my plan (such as it is):
  •  Friday morning - get the hangar opened up for arrivals
  •  Friday noon - fly out to Muscatine (KMUT ~30 miles) for lunch
  •  Friday night - Dinner at Lynn's BBQ - same place as last year
  •  Saturday morning - more arrivals, flying, and bad jokes (right Kevin?)
  •  Saturday afternoon - cookout at the hangar - similar to last year (nobody went hungry!)
  •  Saturday evening - Ice Cream social at the hangar (since everyone is still full from the cookout!)
  • Sunday - departures and a safe flight home for everyone
So fly in or drive in, just get here.  This may be the only place you will see this many tandem wing aircraft (maybe 15?) in the same spot!
Paul A. Fisher
Q-200 N17PF



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