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Re: Waddelow wing, and canard
Martin Skiby
Q-Talk #159, Hope this link works for you.
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Waddelow wing, and canard
norm_parm@...
Does anyone have the drawings, construction info for the Waddelow wings, and canard? I am rebuilding a damaged Q-200, changing to Tri-Q, and am considering the Waddelow wings.
Regards, Norm Parmley (252)671-1567 if you want to talk.............
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Re: Back at it once again...
Kris <l_kris_browne@...>
...I've bounced back from my decision to skip the speed brake to expedite completion and am now back over the fence figuring out how to do it cleanly and quickly...
Richard (fastlittleairplanes) - great to connect with another Q2 Vdub driver! I'll be wanting to chat with you soon regarding my Revmaster 2100D... From: Q-LIST@... on behalf of fastlittleairplanes@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: February 28, 2017 11:43 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Back at it once again... Kris, My Q2 is just that an original Q2 with the GU canard and VW power. The advantage of the belly board is the steeper approach, I didn't mind slipping the plane in as it was how I was taught and how I fly the Pitts. What it has offered was the ability to get stopped on shorter runways and in the days before the internet I was flying out of a grass field with trees on one end and a big hill on the other it did make for a little less work and let me stay ahead of the power curve on the VW. Richard
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Re: Back at it once again...
Not to be contrary Mike but I regularly slip my Q200 on final if I'm high and fast. It's like an elevator ride and totally controllable. I just slip it with the nose deck a little high and round it out befoiore touch down.
I've entered base to final many times at 150k close up and had no issues. As I said in a previous post, I notice the speed brake really helps to shorten roll outs. Jim N46JP Q200
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Re: Back at it once again...
I found that slipping a Q200 was very inneffective. But pulling up into a stall really increases the drag and looses altitude fast! So now if I'm high and fast, I pull up to stall or near stall.
On Feb 28, 2017 6:43 AM, "fastlittleairplanes@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
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Re: Back at it once again... [1 Attachment]
Kris, My Q2 is just that an original Q2 with the GU canard and VW power. The advantage of the belly board is the steeper approach, I didn't mind slipping the plane in as it was how I was taught and how I fly the Pitts. What it has offered was the ability to get stopped on shorter runways and in the days before the internet I was flying out of a grass field with trees on one end and a big hill on the other it did make for a little less work and let me stay ahead of the power curve on the VW.
Richard
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In the case of my speed brake I used the park brake handle from a MG Midget with a rod to a simple bell crank. this option gave me steps just like the Johnson Bar in Pipers and old Cessna's. It was no issue to deploy and really didn't take any effort. Richard Kaczmarek Fast Little Airplanes
On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 3:04 AM, 'richard@...' richard@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
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Richard Kaczmarek Fast Little Airplanes LLC 937-243-7303 Race Host Of The: MERFI 50/150 Palmetto 100 Southern Nationals 125 Sunshine Express 400
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Re: Back at it once again...
victor taylor
My Velocity has a small 12 volt linear actuator for the speed brake and it is hinged from the front side. Velocity sells these. I am planning to hinge mine from the front and use the same set up as my Velocity. Very easy set up and just requires a toggle switch for up and down. Victor Taylor Alabama On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:04 PM, "'richard@...' richard@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote: If you have a front hinged belly board will it not require a more substantial operating system ? My TriQ had the belly board bolted shut , which has now been reinstated to the rear hinge version as per plan, which I mused must be the lightest version isn't it ? It uses the airflow to open so no springs or bellcranks needed. Richard Thomson U K Sent from my HTC
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Re: NTSB report Jet powered Quickie
Robert Bounds
Uuuhhh, kinda. They tend to dry out in a long, fast, windmilling
descent because the engine is lubricated internally by the oil mixed into the
fuel and if they aren’t getting much fuel , they aren’t getting much oil.
This can be dealt with by slowing the plane before the descent and giving it a
shot of throttle every few seconds. The bigger problem that I found is the
steep torque curve that they have. A prop with enough pitch to get a
decent cruise is too much for the motor to spin up at slow speeds and low
rpm. The engine has to be somewhat detuned by using a single carb and
lengthening the exhaust in order to get a little more torque on the bottom
end. You lose some horsepower on the top doing this but that was the only
way I could get mine to work well. It finally got to where it worked
fine.
Bounds
250 hours in a Rotax 503 Q1
From: Allan afarr@... [Q-LIST]
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 5:23 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: NTSB report Jet powered
Quickie I have heard that two strokes don't really suit fast slippery aircraft as
they have to be continually under load so as not to seize
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Re: NTSB report Jet powered Quickie
Allan Farr
I have heard that two strokes don't really suit fast slippery aircraft as they have to be continually under load so as not to seize
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Re: Back at it once again...
Jim D
I flew a tri-Q 930 hours with a rear hinged belly board. It was roughly 12 inches square and made a big difference in the decent angle on final. I usually waited until I was on about 1/4 mile final before deployment. At the time it was deployed it caused a pitch up and had to be trimmed with the reflexor to unload the stick. Mine was deployed by a rope cable fed through aluminum tube to the handle on the left side of the cockpit. The plane can be landed with out the board but it allows steeper approaches over trees and such and slows the plane on the runway after touch down. Jim Doyle On 2/26/2017 6:51 PM, Kris
l_kris_browne@... [Q-LIST] wrote:
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Re: Back at it once again...
The easiest speed brake mod is the one for the TriQ and you can find that info in the file section. Of course you just omit the part about the mounting of the gear, it is also recommended that you move the hinge from the rear of the board to the front. If you do not want to make the speed brake board we do offer it pre-made. Richard Kaczmarek Fast Little Airplanes
On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Kris l_kris_browne@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
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Richard Kaczmarek Fast Little Airplanes LLC 937-243-7303 Race Host Of The: MERFI 50/150 Palmetto 100 Southern Nationals 125 Sunshine Express 400
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Re: Back at it once again...
Kris,
I flown with a belly board for over 1350 hours. Over the years I've forgotten to deploy it on occasion and only noticed the negative effects on roll out. I've also done slow flybys with it deployed and found it to be totally controllable climbing out deployed. Deployed it seems to help slow the plane, especially, noticeable on very short runways. My input only. Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 Still flying it weekly as a comuter
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Re: Back at it once again...
Paul Fisher
Kris, I can't speak to the GU, but I have been flying my LS1 for almost 27 years (~1,600 hours) without a belly board. I was exactly where you are and decided I didn't want to delay the project any more than necessary. I figured if I needed it, I would add it later... and I still haven't added it! Your mileage may vary, but that's my story. Paul A. Fisher Q-200 N17PF
On Feb 26, 2017 6:52 PM, "Kris l_kris_browne@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
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Re: Back at it once again... [1 Attachment]
Kris <l_kris_browne@...>
Thanks for the ideas! Rear opening makes a ton of sense!
David Cyr's suggestion of leaving it out of the original GU/Q2 is interesting - I hadn't thought of perhaps flying the airplane first and then deciding if it might make a nice wintertime project if there seems to be a need for one. Not fabricating and detailing another fancy mechanism will expedite the finishing of my project... If the original Q2's have an acceptable descent angle without one it might be a lot of complexity for minimal gain??? - the original plans from Quickie Aircraft showing the 'speed brake installation' are dated 8/14/84, so I am guessing that it may have been developed on the LS1 models that were new on the block at the time... are there any other GU/Q2 drivers out there who can share experience relative to belly board/no belly board??
Kris From: Q-LIST@... <Q-LIST@...> on behalf of 'Jerry Marstall' jnmarstall@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: February 26, 2017 1:37 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Back at it once again... [1 Attachment] Attached is a write up I did some time back, with several pictures, on my changing of the belly board to open to the rear and why I did it. I am very pleased with the results. Also, the original belly board was not carbon fiber, it is simply made from the piece that was cut out to allow for the installation of the tricycle gear. My first installation was per plans with the board hinged at the rear and opening at the front. The article tells why I didn’t like that installation. All I did was detach the belly board hinge from the aircraft and turn it around in the hole and reattach as shown in the article. It does require a more robust opening/closing mechanism, but that is shown as well.
Good to have you among the active builders again. This time take it to the winner’s tape. Jerry Marstall 828-712-9779 From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
Might I suggest that you have a look at the one that has been designed for Velocities. Simple design, effective, and quite reasonable.
From:
Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
Hey Gang:
Perhaps some remember me from a previous lifetime... I met many at the FOD's in Ottawa, KS back around '99/2000. I've had my Q2 kit since original purchase back in the late fall of '81 (nope, that's not a typo, 1981, back when I was a young lad...). I've worked on this project, off and on obviously, throughout my entire adult life. It started out in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada with a major kick start from Peter Meszaros - he had just completed his (the 1st Q2 kit finished in Canada) in record time and he generously offered all kinds of advice, personal construction support and materials to me. I owe my wonderful example of a GU canard to Peter... Since then the project has lived in 4 different homes, in Hamilton, Niagara Falls and Windsor, Ontario.
I'll cut to the chase - I began actively working on the Q bird daily back in Octob! er. I moved again about a year ago and took some time setting up my shop. The heat and ventilation has been tested in some new lay-ups - Yah! no fumes in the house!! I've designed and crafted a new toe brake assembly using the original rudder pedals and some Matco cylinders. The reflexor mechanism is almost complete. Tiny tasks every day = big deal! I hope to come close to completion in this calendar year.
I learned when I joined up on quickheads recently that I live very close to Sanjay Dhall - I had the pleasure of meeting him and checking out his beautiful Q last weekend - he lives about 45 minutes from me just across the border in Michigan. Now I'm totally geeked again.
One mod that I don't have my head totally wrapped around yet is the belly board - I checked out Sanjay's and also poured over the plans that I found on Jon Findley's website. I need to do this mod from scratch, I have none of the materials stashed in my shop. This is not a problem, however I am wondering about the board itself. The originals were a carbon fiber plate. I understand that a version has been executed that is external/flush and fabbed from fibreglass (Bob Farnam??) but cannot locate any detail about it? (I did surf around in old Qtalks etc. on quickheads.com). I need some input regarding the board. I currently have enough info to work through the actuator mechanism...
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Re: NTSB report Jet powered Quickie
ryan goodman
It's interesting to read. Lots of questions in my mind though. It seems like some things just were not thought out.
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Re: NTSB report Jet powered Quickie
Andrew Power
The motors started on the nose and then moved mid-fuselage. There is a video out there (Vhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_keYAFcsXU) with the owner during taxi trials. Search Elliot Seguin, Wasabi Air Racing Twerp. He explains the reasoning.
Andrew Power
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Re: Back at it once again...
Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Attached is a write up I did some time back, with several pictures, on my changing of the belly board to open to the rear and why I did it. I am very pleased with the results. Also, the original belly board was not carbon fiber, it is simply made from the piece that was cut out to allow for the installation of the tricycle gear. My first installation was per plans with the board hinged at the rear and opening at the front. The article tells why I didn’t like that installation. All I did was detach the belly board hinge from the aircraft and turn it around in the hole and reattach as shown in the article. It does require a more robust opening/closing mechanism, but that is shown as well.
Good to have you among the active builders again. This time take it to the winner’s tape. Jerry Marstall 828-712-9779
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2017 8:32 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Back at it once again...
Might I suggest that you have a look at the one that has been designed for Velocities. Simple design, effective, and quite reasonable.
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
Hey Gang:
Perhaps some remember me from a previous lifetime... I met many at the FOD's in Ottawa, KS back around '99/2000. I've had my Q2 kit since original purchase back in the late fall of '81 (nope, that's not a typo, 1981, back when I was a young lad...). I've worked on this project, off and on obviously, throughout my entire adult life. It started out in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada with a major kick start from Peter Meszaros - he had just completed his (the 1st Q2 kit finished in Canada) in record time and he generously offered all kinds of advice, personal construction support and materials to me. I owe my wonderful example of a GU canard to Peter... Since then the project has lived in 4 different homes, in Hamilton, Niagara Falls and Windsor, Ontario.
I'll cut to the chase - I began actively working on the Q bird daily back in Octob! er. I moved again about a year ago and took some time setting up my shop. The heat and ventilation has been tested in some new lay-ups - Yah! no fumes in the house!! I've designed and crafted a new toe brake assembly using the original rudder pedals and some Matco cylinders. The reflexor mechanism is almost complete. Tiny tasks every day = big deal! I hope to come close to completion in this calendar year.
I learned when I joined up on quickheads recently that I live very close to Sanjay Dhall - I had the pleasure of meeting him and checking out his beautiful Q last weekend - he lives about 45 minutes from me just across the border in Michigan. Now I'm totally geeked again.
One mod that I don't have my head totally wrapped around yet is the belly board - I checked out Sanjay's and also poured over the plans that I found on Jon Findley's website. I need to do this mod from scratch, I have none of the materials stashed in my shop. This is not a problem, however I am wondering about the board itself. The originals were a carbon fiber plate. I understand that a version has been executed that is external/flush and fabbed from fibreglass (Bob Farnam??) but cannot locate any detail about it? (I did surf around in old Qtalks etc. on quickheads.com). I need some input regarding the board. I currently have enough info to work through the actuator mechanism...
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