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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
Jim Patillo
Rick, that is an excellent idea. He was at QAC during a lot of this stuff.
Jim
N46JP Q200
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Rick Hole via groups.io <r.hole@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 3:48:05 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
Scott was my boss at Velocity 2005-2016. You might find it easier to get him for an interview him on our Zoom platform.
Rick Hole
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022, 4:32 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote:
Good points, Vern. The only person that is still somewhat “available” to talk about what it was like in that QAC shop way back when is Scott Swing. It would be fun to get him to write a little retrospective from the QAC manufacturing
side of the fence, at least as much as he can recall. It would be a good companion series to what our own Jim Masal produced from the perspective of the builder side of the fence.
Cheers,
Jay
As all know, for registration with the FAA it isn't super critical about the serial numbers anyway since there is no such thing
as Service Bulletin or Airworthiness Directive issued to our machines.
😊
For me it is interesting in the question as to how many Q birds were actually released, because the fabrication of the
shells and spars alone would have been an involved manufacturing line. Tooling for sure! Supply chain of the non layup parts
another big challenge. The FAA registry is of no particular help on numbers either. My project for instance..can't by
rights call it a Q2 OR a Dragonfly.
On my wifes airplane.. the Capella XS2.. the supply chain fails is what took the program into the Court system! Not quite
as bad as the BD5 fiasco ended up being, but there was a lot of angst on the part of John Reid Howell Jr in Austin Texas.
It's a nice airplane and kinda reminds me of Deputy Dog, well engineered and has good STOL performance but he was still
Events like this aught be a warning to others that intend on aircraft factory startups which are really difficult to
achieve even in the most favorable of Markets (cubic Dollars for one). You can have the best design from any other but
get hammered from all nature of problems surrounding the build.
A major part of the Manufacturing Engineering world as I did (do sometimes now also) is work around the supply chain
fails to meet the delivery day. Chasing down snafu's and doing design review sign offs to hopefully keep the bugs out before
they hit the Shop. Globalization has BIG TIME magnified the problems, and the bean counters whining about raw material
storage taxes and payrolls is what took us to our knees.
The suits killed off the "in house build" and in doing that we ended up with zero safety net to protect the schedule. Then they
wrote up and signed into stupid contracts. The Lazy B is now in a hurt partly because JIT went to hell in a handbasket.
China Offset and others like that one bit them in the ass, just as the old timers in my world told them would happen.
It is a tribute that the Q factory did accomplish these kits, guys. It was a major task and still would be, and for what they had to work
with I am amazed at the the quality details they produced. Its why completing the project IS worthwhile, if for no other reason
than the efforts these folks went through to fabricate and ship the kits. I know it might sound corny but the folks doing the layups
were not thinking only of the paycheck. In some corner of their thoughts that knew they were making something
that fulfilled someones dream. As Bruce says "Git Er Done!"
I suspect that my kit may be one of the last full kits out the door at QAC. I received the last of my shipments in late 1984.
Jay
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).
Cheers,
Jay
Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone
know of it's true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but
Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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We can tell that you weren't using an autopilot!
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 6:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote: Went up for a winter flight today and it was very enjoyable. When I took off, it was -3C and during the flight, climbed to over 9000 feet at -10C. It was smooth air and severe clear, so sight seeing was a pleasure with 100+ mile visibility. This is a nice time of year to fly, since my radiator doors are completely closed and everything is quite clean aerodynamically, and there is plenty of power and climb. From a destination standpoint, it was a case of all dressed up (bundled up) and nowhere to go. I am including a picture of my flight path, so you can get the idea. I was mostly flying in the vicinity of my home airport (10CO) between 8 and 9 thousand feet. I admit is looks like a ball of twine, but it was a chance to do some wingovers, chandelles, really steep turns and to get quality work on my feel for the speed dynamics and coordination of the plane and pilot. I like the fact that its accel-deceleration characteristics are very smooth and controls are well balanced in all phases. I recommend this highly to other Q-drivers. It is fun and at the end you feel like you have sharpened your skills. As a final exercise I circled down from 8000’ with the throttle pulled to idle. I made my last turn onto downwind at pattern altitude and 100 mph indicated and did a squeaker landing close to the target point on the runway. I had not done this for a while, so that felt good and pushed the plane back over the snow into the hangar with a smile on my face. Well, that’s all from the wild west… All you Q-builders need to become Q-flyers! Cheers, Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2, N8WQ 204 hours 
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
Scott was my boss at Velocity 2005-2016. You might find it easier to get him for an interview him on our Zoom platform. Rick Hole
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022, 4:32 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote: Good points, Vern. The only person that is still somewhat “available” to talk about what it was like in that QAC shop way back when is Scott Swing. It would be fun to get him to write a little retrospective from the QAC manufacturing side of the fence, at least as much as he can recall. It would be a good companion series to what our own Jim Masal produced from the perspective of the builder side of the fence. Cheers, Jay As all know, for registration with the FAA it isn't super critical about the serial numbers anyway since there is no such thing as Service Bulletin or Airworthiness Directive issued to our machines. 😊 For me it is interesting in the question as to how many Q birds were actually released, because the fabrication of the shells and spars alone would have been an involved manufacturing line. Tooling for sure! Supply chain of the non layup parts another big challenge. The FAA registry is of no particular help on numbers either. My project for instance..can't by rights call it a Q2 OR a Dragonfly. On my wifes airplane.. the Capella XS2.. the supply chain fails is what took the program into the Court system! Not quite as bad as the BD5 fiasco ended up being, but there was a lot of angst on the part of John Reid Howell Jr in Austin Texas. It's a nice airplane and kinda reminds me of Deputy Dog, well engineered and has good STOL performance but he was still Events like this aught be a warning to others that intend on aircraft factory startups which are really difficult to achieve even in the most favorable of Markets (cubic Dollars for one). You can have the best design from any other but get hammered from all nature of problems surrounding the build. A major part of the Manufacturing Engineering world as I did (do sometimes now also) is work around the supply chain fails to meet the delivery day. Chasing down snafu's and doing design review sign offs to hopefully keep the bugs out before they hit the Shop. Globalization has BIG TIME magnified the problems, and the bean counters whining about raw material storage taxes and payrolls is what took us to our knees. The suits killed off the "in house build" and in doing that we ended up with zero safety net to protect the schedule. Then they wrote up and signed into stupid contracts. The Lazy B is now in a hurt partly because JIT went to hell in a handbasket. China Offset and others like that one bit them in the ass, just as the old timers in my world told them would happen. It is a tribute that the Q factory did accomplish these kits, guys. It was a major task and still would be, and for what they had to work with I am amazed at the the quality details they produced. Its why completing the project IS worthwhile, if for no other reason than the efforts these folks went through to fabricate and ship the kits. I know it might sound corny but the folks doing the layups were not thinking only of the paycheck. In some corner of their thoughts that knew they were making something that fulfilled someones dream. As Bruce says "Git Er Done!"
I suspect that my kit may be one of the last full kits out the door at QAC. I received the last of my shipments in late 1984. Jay
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841. On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote: Hi Michael, Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think). Cheers, Jay Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true? Dear Jim, Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so. I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave. I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available. Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Jay Scheevel
Went up for a winter flight today and it was very enjoyable. When I took off, it was -3C and during the flight, climbed to over 9000 feet at -10C. It was smooth air and severe clear, so sight seeing was a pleasure with 100+ mile visibility. This is a nice time of year to fly, since my radiator doors are completely closed and everything is quite clean aerodynamically, and there is plenty of power and climb. From a destination standpoint, it was a case of all dressed up (bundled up) and nowhere to go. I am including a picture of my flight path, so you can get the idea. I was mostly flying in the vicinity of my home airport (10CO) between 8 and 9 thousand feet. I admit is looks like a ball of twine, but it was a chance to do some wingovers, chandelles, really steep turns and to get quality work on my feel for the speed dynamics and coordination of the plane and pilot. I like the fact that its accel-deceleration characteristics are very smooth and controls are well balanced in all phases. I recommend this highly to other Q-drivers. It is fun and at the end you feel like you have sharpened your skills. As a final exercise I circled down from 8000’ with the throttle pulled to idle. I made my last turn onto downwind at pattern altitude and 100 mph indicated and did a squeaker landing close to the target point on the runway. I had not done this for a while, so that felt good and pushed the plane back over the snow into the hangar with a smile on my face. Well, that’s all from the wild west… All you Q-builders need to become Q-flyers! Cheers, Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2, N8WQ 204 hours 
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
Jay Scheevel
Good points, Vern. The only person that is still somewhat “available” to talk about what it was like in that QAC shop way back when is Scott Swing. It would be fun to get him to write a little retrospective from the QAC manufacturing side of the fence, at least as much as he can recall. It would be a good companion series to what our own Jim Masal produced from the perspective of the builder side of the fence. Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frankenbird Vern Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 12:15 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number As all know, for registration with the FAA it isn't super critical about the serial numbers anyway since there is no such thing as Service Bulletin or Airworthiness Directive issued to our machines. 😊 For me it is interesting in the question as to how many Q birds were actually released, because the fabrication of the shells and spars alone would have been an involved manufacturing line. Tooling for sure! Supply chain of the non layup parts another big challenge. The FAA registry is of no particular help on numbers either. My project for instance..can't by rights call it a Q2 OR a Dragonfly. On my wifes airplane.. the Capella XS2.. the supply chain fails is what took the program into the Court system! Not quite as bad as the BD5 fiasco ended up being, but there was a lot of angst on the part of John Reid Howell Jr in Austin Texas. It's a nice airplane and kinda reminds me of Deputy Dog, well engineered and has good STOL performance but he was still Events like this aught be a warning to others that intend on aircraft factory startups which are really difficult to achieve even in the most favorable of Markets (cubic Dollars for one). You can have the best design from any other but get hammered from all nature of problems surrounding the build. A major part of the Manufacturing Engineering world as I did (do sometimes now also) is work around the supply chain fails to meet the delivery day. Chasing down snafu's and doing design review sign offs to hopefully keep the bugs out before they hit the Shop. Globalization has BIG TIME magnified the problems, and the bean counters whining about raw material storage taxes and payrolls is what took us to our knees. The suits killed off the "in house build" and in doing that we ended up with zero safety net to protect the schedule. Then they wrote up and signed into stupid contracts. The Lazy B is now in a hurt partly because JIT went to hell in a handbasket. China Offset and others like that one bit them in the ass, just as the old timers in my world told them would happen. It is a tribute that the Q factory did accomplish these kits, guys. It was a major task and still would be, and for what they had to work with I am amazed at the the quality details they produced. Its why completing the project IS worthwhile, if for no other reason than the efforts these folks went through to fabricate and ship the kits. I know it might sound corny but the folks doing the layups were not thinking only of the paycheck. In some corner of their thoughts that knew they were making something that fulfilled someones dream. As Bruce says "Git Er Done!"
I suspect that my kit may be one of the last full kits out the door at QAC. I received the last of my shipments in late 1984. Jay
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841. On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote: Hi Michael, Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think). Cheers, Jay Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true? Dear Jim, Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so. I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave. I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available. Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
Frankenbird Vern
Stop it!! NO IT WAS... uh.. well.. ONLY 1990. Umm.. damn.. I was still a puppy then wasn't I?
Well anyway Paul. The point is you HAVE the airplane..and it's good to have all those memories
with her too!
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 8:09 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
You made me go look! I was serial number 2652. I picked up the kit from a local dealer on April 22nd 1983. First flight was August 13th 1990. Geez that was a long time ago!!
Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.
Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).
Cheers,
Jay
Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's
true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but
Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Frankenbird Vern
Haha.. you guys are funny.. I'm gonna blame my yard sale project being incomplete on Lak-A-Dollars.
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Kevin Sheeley via groups.io <kjsheely1@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 11:20 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
Mine Q200 is 2921.
Kevin
On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 10:25:15 AM EST, allen relseg via groups.io <mrelseg@...> wrote:
Gee guys, I had to go look to see my ser#. 2032
I think this Q 200 should be done by now , can I blame it on the COVID !!
Mark
On Friday, February 25, 2022, 11:23:12 PM EST, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
I suspect that my kit may be one of the last full kits out the door at QAC. I received the last of my shipments in late 1984.
Cheers,
Jay
On Feb 25, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
My SN is #2468
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:53:50 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.
Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).
Cheers,
Jay
Found this little
tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but
Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
Frankenbird Vern
As all know, for registration with the FAA it isn't super critical about the serial numbers anyway since there is no such thing
as Service Bulletin or Airworthiness Directive issued to
our machines.
😊
For me it is interesting in the question as to how many Q birds were actually released, because the
fabrication of the
shells and spars alone would have been an involved manufacturing line. Tooling for sure! Supply
chain of the non layup parts
another big challenge. The
FAA registry is of no particular help on numbers either. My project for instance..can't by
rights call it a Q2 OR a Dragonfly.
On my wifes airplane.. the Capella XS2.. the supply chain fails is what took the program into the Court system! Not quite
as bad as the BD5 fiasco ended up being, but there was a lot of angst on the part of John Reid Howell Jr in Austin Texas.
It's a nice airplane and kinda reminds me of Deputy Dog, well engineered and has good STOL performance but he was still
driven out.
Events like this aught be a warning to others that intend on aircraft factory startups which are
really difficult to
achieve even in the most favorable of Markets (cubic Dollars for one). You can have the best design from any other but
get hammered from all nature of problems surrounding the
build.
A major part of the Manufacturing Engineering world as I did (do sometimes now also) is work around the supply chain
fails to meet the delivery day. Chasing down snafu's and doing
design review sign offs to hopefully keep the bugs out before
they hit the Shop. Globalization has BIG TIME magnified the problems, and
the bean counters whining about raw material
storage taxes and payrolls is what took us to our knees.
The suits killed off the "in house build" and in doing that we ended up with zero safety net to protect the schedule. Then they
wrote up and signed into stupid contracts. The Lazy B is
now in a hurt partly because JIT went to hell in a handbasket.
China Offset and others like that one bit them in the ass,
just as the old timers in my world told them would happen.
It is a tribute that the Q factory did accomplish these kits, guys.
It was a major task and still would be, and for what they had to work
with I am amazed at the the quality details they produced. Its why completing the project IS worthwhile, if for no other reason
than the efforts these folks went through to fabricate and ship the kits. I know it might sound corny but the folks doing the layups
were not thinking only of the paycheck. In some corner of their thoughts that knew they were making something
that fulfilled someones dream. As Bruce says "Git Er Done!"
Vern
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 10:23 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
I suspect that my kit may be one of the last full kits out the door at QAC. I received the last of my shipments in late 1984.
Cheers,
Jay
On Feb 25, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
My SN is #2468
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:53:50 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.
Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).
Cheers,
Jay
Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but
Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
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On Saturday, February 26, 2022, 10:25:15 AM EST, allen relseg via groups.io <mrelseg@...> wrote:
Gee guys, I had to go look to see my ser#. 2032 I think this Q 200 should be done by now , can I blame it on the COVID !! Mark
On Friday, February 25, 2022, 11:23:12 PM EST, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
I suspect that my kit may be one of the last full kits out the door at QAC. I received the last of my shipments in late 1984.
Cheers, Jay On Feb 25, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
My SN is #2468
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:53:50 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.
Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).
Cheers,
Jay
Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but
Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
Gee guys, I had to go look to see my ser#. 2032 I think this Q 200 should be done by now , can I blame it on the COVID !! Mark
On Friday, February 25, 2022, 11:23:12 PM EST, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
I suspect that my kit may be one of the last full kits out the door at QAC. I received the last of my shipments in late 1984.
Cheers, Jay On Feb 25, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
My SN is #2468
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:53:50 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.
Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).
Cheers,
Jay
Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but
Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
Jay Scheevel
I suspect that my kit may be one of the last full kits out the door at QAC. I received the last of my shipments in late 1984.
Cheers,
On Feb 25, 2022, at 9:10 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
My SN is #2468
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:53:50 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.
Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).
Cheers,
Jay
Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but
Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
Jim Patillo
My SN is #2468
Jim
N46JP Q200
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 5:53:50 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.
Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).
Cheers,
Jay
Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but
Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
Ian Ashdown
Gurney Flaps are on almost every Race Car I’ve ever worked on. They are simple, powerful and surprisingly efficient!
Ian
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Re: Sparrow strainer stall conundrum
With the talk of location and size. I have early ls-1 instructions including sparrow strainer dimensions of 17 inch size and the 24” from inboard edge of elevator location these are in an envelope post marked Oct 3 1983. Rounded the sizes since I already
forgot the fractions.
Brian
On Feb 24, 2022, at 09:54, Hot Wings via groups.io <bd5er@...> wrote:
Gurney flaps have been mentioned here before when this 'problem' came up. Has anyone actually tried them?
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
The kit that I have is 2592. Over time it includes q-200 addendum and parts, belly board, reflexor. Desperately wanting to get rolling on this thing but time keeps ticking.
Anyway it’s out here. Will get it in the air.
Brian
On Feb 25, 2022, at 21:10, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:
You made me go look! I was serial number 2652. I picked up the kit from a local dealer on April 22nd 1983. First flight was August 13th 1990. Geez that was a long time ago!!
Paul Fisher
Q-200 N17PF
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841.
Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote:
Hi Michael,
Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think).
Cheers,
Jay
Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but
Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
You made me go look! I was serial number 2652. I picked up the kit from a local dealer on April 22nd 1983. First flight was August 13th 1990. Geez that was a long time ago!!
Paul Fisher Q-200 N17PF
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841. Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote: Hi Michael, Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think). Cheers, Jay Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true? Dear Jim, Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so. I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave. I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available. Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
My documents show serial #100
On Fri., Feb. 25, 2022, 8:54 p.m. Mike Dwyer, < q200pilot@...> wrote: FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841. Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote: Hi Michael, Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think). Cheers, Jay Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true? Dear Jim, Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so. I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave. I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available. Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
FYI, my Q200 kit was sn 2841. Mike Dwyer Q200
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 8:44 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote: Hi Michael, Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think). Cheers, Jay Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true? Dear Jim, Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so. I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave. I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available. Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
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-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Re: First Q2 Serial Number
Jay Scheevel
Hi Michael, Like many kit manufacturers, the leading digit(s) represent the model. So the 2000’s indicate Q2, where the Q1’s had no leading digit (I think). Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Dunning Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 6:14 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: [Q-List] First Q2 Serial Number Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true? Dear Jim, Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so. I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave. I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available. Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550.
In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?...
--
-MD
#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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Found this little tidbit in Q-talk #17, anyone know of it's true?
Dear Jim,
Regarding serial number trivia, my recollection is that 2000-2009 were QAC factory reserved and 2010-2019 were reserved for the Canadian LeGare "factory" or vice versa. Mojave factory production units reportedly started at 2020 or so.
I am preparing again to complete my project. I finally got to talk to Gene Sheehan who was helpful and enthusiastic but has been heavily involved in a consulting job and hasn't been available at Mojave.
I also talked to Gordon Olsen at Cowley, Inc. (805) 824-2368 Mojave airport, who still has an oversized Q-2 canopy available.
Ben O'Brien, Redondo Beach, CA
Quicktalk 13 mentions Q1 serial numbers not going above 550. In my case, that would mean I have the 807th Q2 kit QAC sold, not the almost 3-thousandth. That's still a big number but Jay's comment about sub kits getting S/N's is something I never thought about before. There may be a whole lot less fully complete kits out in the wild than I had originally thought?... -- -MD #2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)
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