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Re: Rigging

Paul Fisher
 

I saw your "in the hole" photo.  I've never tried that one.  If I need to be back there, I just take the tailcone off.  I'm afraid if I got in there, I'd never get out!!  So you win.

Paul

On Tue, May 4, 2021, 12:45 Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Mike, there are a few photos of my lower bellcrank, roll trim and reflexor in my photos on the Q-List.


Sam

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:50 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
Mike-------------  I don't know if I mentioned before, but I find it
better to do all the filling ,sanding and priming on the wing and canard
before attaching. Leave enough unfinished to glass in place.  I also
watched a few videos and saw where the lower bellcrank is about 6
inches. Then, I watched a photo video of a Q built in 1985 and it had a
bellcrank about 3 inches.

   I will wait around to see if there are other opinions, but , I think
I am going to stick with how I have it.

  I am finishing the inside of the canopy, and one thing to be aware of
is to mask the outside about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Then prime and
paint. When you remove the protective cover from the inside you will see
your paint line through the inside plexiglass.

You can mask the inside to this paint line and then paint. I notice most
cockpits are a different colour from the outside so this way you do not
see the two different colours around the canopy line.  Take
care------------- Chris


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Re: Rigging

Sam Hoskins
 

Mike, there are a few photos of my lower bellcrank, roll trim and reflexor in my photos on the Q-List.


Sam


On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:50 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
Mike-------------  I don't know if I mentioned before, but I find it
better to do all the filling ,sanding and priming on the wing and canard
before attaching. Leave enough unfinished to glass in place.  I also
watched a few videos and saw where the lower bellcrank is about 6
inches. Then, I watched a photo video of a Q built in 1985 and it had a
bellcrank about 3 inches.

   I will wait around to see if there are other opinions, but , I think
I am going to stick with how I have it.

  I am finishing the inside of the canopy, and one thing to be aware of
is to mask the outside about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Then prime and
paint. When you remove the protective cover from the inside you will see
your paint line through the inside plexiglass.

You can mask the inside to this paint line and then paint. I notice most
cockpits are a different colour from the outside so this way you do not
see the two different colours around the canopy line.  Take
care------------- Chris


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Re: Spring Fling

Sam Hoskins
 

I'll be there Saturday.

Sam 

On Sat, May 1, 2021, 10:41 AM Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
OK. Everyone knows about the Spring Fling. May 21-22-23.
KDEH Decorah IA.
Lets see a show of hands.
I know I did this before, but things change, like, one Californian is coming.

Charlie, OSD, please send this to the DF list. I’m old and can’t seem to find that email address. Thanks!

Also, Bruce, where did you all, or allyall, stay last year. Others might want to make reservations there as well.

There are two courtesy cars at the airport as well.

Hope to see everyone in three weeks.






Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B  548  hrs
Luana, IA.










Re: Rigging

Mike Steinsland
 

Hey Chris did you have to have two inspections,one before you covered the wings with primer and then another after you glassed them on but before priming the connection? 

Canopy masking idea's a good one. Have to remember that. 

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Dorothea Keats <dkeats@...> wrote:
Mike-------------  I don't know if I mentioned before, but I find it
better to do all the filling ,sanding and priming on the wing and canard
before attaching. Leave enough unfinished to glass in place.  I also
watched a few videos and saw where the lower bellcrank is about 6
inches. Then, I watched a photo video of a Q built in 1985 and it had a
bellcrank about 3 inches.

   I will wait around to see if there are other opinions, but , I think
I am going to stick with how I have it.

  I am finishing the inside of the canopy, and one thing to be aware of
is to mask the outside about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Then prime and
paint. When you remove the protective cover from the inside you will see
your paint line through the inside plexiglass.

You can mask the inside to this paint line and then paint. I notice most
cockpits are a different colour from the outside so this way you do not
see the two different colours around the canopy line.  Take
care------------- Chris


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Re: Rigging

Chris Walterson
 

Mike-------------  I don't know if I mentioned before, but I find it better to do all the filling ,sanding and priming on the wing and canard before attaching. Leave enough unfinished to glass in place.  I also watched a few videos and saw where the lower bellcrank is about 6 inches. Then, I watched a photo video of a Q built in 1985 and it had a bellcrank about 3 inches.

  I will wait around to see if there are other opinions, but , I think I am going to stick with how I have it.

 I am finishing the inside of the canopy, and one thing to be aware of is to mask the outside about 1/4 inch in from the edge. Then prime and paint. When you remove the protective cover from the inside you will see your paint line through the inside plexiglass.

You can mask the inside to this paint line and then paint. I notice most cockpits are a different colour from the outside so this way you do not see the two different colours around the canopy line.  Take care------------- Chris


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Re: Rigging

Mike Steinsland
 

Please keep me posted
I m planning to do all the rigging for the ailerons later because I'm going to put off attaching the wing until I have as much done as possible. My space is a bit restricted and walking around 2 wings might be awkward. 
I'll just file away your findings for later 








On Mon., May 3, 2021, 1:52 p.m. Dorothea Keats, <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Mike---------  you're right. Sometimes my licdexia takes over. Even
so, I have the two top bellcrank  at center of tube to bolt hole

2.5 inches and the bottom bellcranks  center bolt hole to center bolt
hole 4.5 inches. This will give me 40 degrees of total travel.

If the bottom bellcrank is only 2.9 inches , you won't have any travel.
Maybe they mean 2.9 from center of tube to bolt hole. That makes more
sense.  I'll see if I can find some other pictures on line.----------- 
Chris



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Re: Rigging

Chris Walterson
 

Mike---------  you're right. Sometimes my licdexia takes over. Even so, I have the two top bellcrank  at center of tube to bolt hole

2.5 inches and the bottom bellcranks  center bolt hole to center bolt hole 4.5 inches. This will give me 40 degrees of total travel.

If the bottom bellcrank is only 2.9 inches , you won't have any travel. Maybe they mean 2.9 from center of tube to bolt hole. That makes more sense.  I'll see if I can find some other pictures on line.-----------  Chris



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Re: Rigging

Mike Steinsland
 

Hi Chris 
Here's what I have from my plans
Unless I'm reading this wrong the QCSA3 appears to be the bottom bellcrank that needs the 2.9 " spacing.
Photos from plans attached
As I said I haven't installed mine yet so I'm not sure how the geometry is.Let  me know if you find something different from what I understand

On Mon., May 3, 2021, 8:05 a.m. Dorothea Keats, <dkeats@...> wrote:
  Mike----------  The measurement change was for the upper bellcrank.  
2.9 inches. There may have been one for the lower one, but my plans
weren't as complete as they could be and I didn't find anything.  The
4.5 measurement seems to work well, but I'll wait for the other guys to
chime in before I commit.  Take care------  Chris


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Re: Rigging

Chris Walterson
 

Mike----------  The measurement change was for the upper bellcrank.   2.9 inches. There may have been one for the lower one, but my plans weren't as complete as they could be and I didn't find anything.  The 4.5 measurement seems to work well, but I'll wait for the other guys to chime in before I commit.  Take care------  Chris


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Re: Rigging

Mike Steinsland
 

Hey Chris 
I haven't done my ailerons yet and 
I'm sitting on my couch away from my plans and news letters but was the measurement change for the aileron bellcrank for the upper one or the lower?


On Sun., May 2, 2021, 2:04 p.m. Dorothea Keats, <dkeats@...> wrote:
   Starting to rig the ailerons and elevators.  Running into a bit of a
concern with the ailerons.

  Are you expected to get a full 25  degree deflection both up and down,
or is that just the limit?

  My upper bellcranks Q2CSA4 have been modified to the 2.9 measurement,
but with the stock lower

bellcranks QCSA3 I only get about 15 degrees deflection both up and down.

  The lower bellcrank QCSA3 has a center to center tube spacing of 3
inches.  I modified it and I now have 4.5 inches.

Now my deflection is 20 degrees both up and down and I can get the full
25 if I use the reflexor, but then again if you go down 25, then you can
only go up 15.

  Am I close to being right or am I missing something?

  Heard a good one yesterday.

  Whenever a door closes , another one opens,

Other than that a Cessna is a pretty good airplane.  Take
care-----------  Chris


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Re: Rigging

Mike Steinsland
 

That's what I did
Keep in mind when you deflect the stick left or right for ailerons the coresponding elevator will deflect a bit

On Sun., May 2, 2021, 8:36 p.m. Dorothea Keats, <dkeats@...> wrote:
  I've given myself a bit of time to think of the ailerons, so in the
meantime I started on the elevators.

  I have some of the original plans [Q2] . The ones with the U joint in
the torque tube. I have read most of the newsletters and I think

I have it figured out, but i want to pass it by others that have gone
before.

I have the center stick and a passenger stick. I have all the control
tubes installed to the elevator bellcranks.

   I will set both elevators at 15 degrees trailing edge up,  as in the
rigging template, and lock them in place.

I will then push my control sticks as far forward as possible. Mount the
mass balance about 1/8 inch from top of canard.

  Drill 1/8 hole in bellcranks  and mass balance and install pop rivet
to stabalize.   Drill 3/16 holes and install AN3 bolts.

  I may see how much down travel I have before I drill the AN3. The
rivets will hold temporarily.

  Makes sense????                Take care--------------  Chris


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Re: Rigging

Chris Walterson
 

I've given myself a bit of time to think of the ailerons, so in the meantime I started on the elevators.

 I have some of the original plans [Q2] . The ones with the U joint in the torque tube. I have read most of the newsletters and I think

I have it figured out, but i want to pass it by others that have gone before.

I have the center stick and a passenger stick. I have all the control tubes installed to the elevator bellcranks.

  I will set both elevators at 15 degrees trailing edge up,  as in the rigging template, and lock them in place.

I will then push my control sticks as far forward as possible. Mount the mass balance about 1/8 inch from top of canard.

 Drill 1/8 hole in bellcranks  and mass balance and install pop rivet to stabalize.   Drill 3/16 holes and install AN3 bolts.

 I may see how much down travel I have before I drill the AN3. The rivets will hold temporarily.

 Makes sense????                Take care--------------  Chris


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Re: Spring Fling

John Hoxie
 

I have wanted to come. If Decorah is pushing the mask mandate? Its a 19 and a half hour drive. Perhaps if someone near me (near new Mexico) was flying there. I should have my ultralight in the air about that time. Been working home projects for a month. One more week? Taxes to do. Jury duty?

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Saturday, May 1, 2021, 09:41:27 AM MDT, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:


OK. Everyone knows about the Spring Fling. May 21-22-23.
KDEH Decorah IA.
Lets see a show of hands.
I know I did this before, but things change, like, one Californian is coming.

Charlie, OSD, please send this to the DF list. I’m old and can’t seem to find that email address. Thanks!

Also, Bruce, where did you all, or allyall, stay last year. Others might want to make reservations there as well.

There are two courtesy cars at the airport as well.

Hope to see everyone in three weeks.






Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B  548  hrs
Luana, IA.










Next Q-Tour - Nathan Peck in his Rotax powered Q-1 - May 8 at 0900 Central Savings time

Sam Hoskins
 

Be sure and join us for this one. Visit with Nathan as he gives us a tour of his little speed demon single-place Quickie.  For an action preview, you can see Nathan's rather unconventional starting procedure here: https://youtu.be/kx22pltzDYs

To join the Q-tour, click on the link below the photo. You will not be admitted until 09:00, May 8.



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Time: May 8, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
 
Join Zoom Meeting
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Re: Spring Fling

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Kevin,

I am still planning on coming, weather permitting. I just installed ADS-B in, so I should be able to see all the crazy Q-drivers converging on DEH.

Cheers,
Jay

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling

That would be in Rochester MN!!!

On May 1, 2021, at 1:54 PM, Sam Kittle <skittle@caltel.com> wrote:

I want the motel closest to Starbucks.
Sam
On May 1, 2021, at 8:41 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@neitel.net> wrote:

OK. Everyone knows about the Spring Fling. May 21-22-23.
KDEH Decorah IA.
Lets see a show of hands.
I know I did this before, but things change, like, one Californian is coming.

Charlie, OSD, please send this to the DF list. I’m old and can’t seem to find that email address. Thanks!

Also, Bruce, where did you all, or allyall, stay last year. Others might want to make reservations there as well.

There are two courtesy cars at the airport as well.

Hope to see everyone in three weeks.






Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 548 hrs
Luana, IA.














Re: Spring Fling

Nathan Peck
 

Kevin,
My oldest boy and I are planning a run up that way.  Looking forward to it!
Nathan Peck

On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 10:41 AM Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
OK. Everyone knows about the Spring Fling. May 21-22-23.
KDEH Decorah IA.
Lets see a show of hands.
I know I did this before, but things change, like, one Californian is coming.

Charlie, OSD, please send this to the DF list. I’m old and can’t seem to find that email address. Thanks!

Also, Bruce, where did you all, or allyall, stay last year. Others might want to make reservations there as well.

There are two courtesy cars at the airport as well.

Hope to see everyone in three weeks.






Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B  548  hrs
Luana, IA.










Rigging

Chris Walterson
 

Starting to rig the ailerons and elevators.  Running into a bit of a concern with the ailerons.

 Are you expected to get a full 25  degree deflection both up and down, or is that just the limit?

 My upper bellcranks Q2CSA4 have been modified to the 2.9 measurement, but with the stock lower

bellcranks QCSA3 I only get about 15 degrees deflection both up and down.

 The lower bellcrank QCSA3 has a center to center tube spacing of 3 inches.  I modified it and I now have 4.5 inches.

Now my deflection is 20 degrees both up and down and I can get the full 25 if I use the reflexor, but then again if you go down 25, then you can only go up 15.

 Am I close to being right or am I missing something?

 Heard a good one yesterday.

 Whenever a door closes , another one opens,

Other than that a Cessna is a pretty good airplane.  Take care-----------  Chris


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Re: Spring Fling

Bill Higdon
 

I posted the info to the Rutan Quickie Q1/Q2/Q200 Community on Facebook


Re: Spring Fling

smeshno1@...
 

 We pilots have a thing about naming the wretched obsession we have with flying machines, an excellent tradition 
I'd say! 

I purchased the basic for two mylar nose arts to be made.. 

Frankenbird.  :-)    And yes..That is a 1957 Chevy WITH FINS.. Hahaha.

 Actually I was a terror on the streets of Wichita back in the early 70's. Got 
11 moving violations in one year.. 100% exhibition of speed. 

So I ended up trading my $4000 67 Nova SS 427 4 speed (same blown Rat engine as 
Frank has here) with a $16,000 city bus for about 6 months (Judge in Sedgwick County 
court was stern enough to me but I learned my lesson about street racing).    






I guess building a mongrel gives me a ticket to either camp; maybe unloved by both?..Gggg   Are you guys gonna 
send me and poor ol Frankie packing to the far end of the grass? "No no..bad Vern..you have to go sit in the corner"  

Grins!
 
 For a while I had in mind "Mr.Mutt" but being a Kraut in family history, the path had to be revised to an unloved 
(or more likely misunderstood with an "Abby Normal" brain, same as me).. The monster character is just too irresistible. 
I'll be registering it as Frankenbird with the Fed also..and I decided to do so mostly in order not to be obtuse to the designers.     

 For my wifes Capella XS2, that one being an existing and flying LSA, I made the decision to keep the N number 
and revise the powerplant FWF..a few changes in the instrument panel and safety changes but that is about the
extent. The 912UL was already removed and sold when I purchased it. She has plans to earn a seaplane rating along 
with her LSA (we live in the lakes area in Eastern Oklahoma), so the 110hp under cowling will be welcomed with the 
added float drag.

 I like the moniker, Jay. Maybe get a nose art of a rather curvy lady with studded black leathers and whips?? 

 Airplanes can be a bitch you know..but we can't resist loving them anyway.

Vern.

out in the Oklahoma sticks West of Tulsa.  


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 9:30 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Spring Fling
 
Hey Charlie. I like that. Thanks for the idea. I have been wondering what to name my airplane. Now I have it: “Q-Domination”

Cheers,
Jay


On May 2, 2021, at 7:28 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

 Rev up your engines! 


Any flying Dragonflies converge KDEH

Drive ins welcome resist the Q domination, represent the other tandem wing airplane.

Border town USA

One Sky Dog


On Saturday, May 1, 2021, 8:41 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

OK. Everyone knows about the Spring Fling. May 21-22-23.
KDEH Decorah IA.
Lets see a show of hands.
I know I did this before, but things change, like, one Californian is coming.

Charlie, OSD, please send this to the DF list. I’m old and can’t seem to find that email address. Thanks!

Also, Bruce, where did you all, or allyall, stay last year. Others might want to make reservations there as well.

There are two courtesy cars at the airport as well.

Hope to see everyone in three weeks.






Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B  548  hrs
Luana, IA.










Re: Spring Fling

Corbin
 

Similar for me in my Q200.  My avionics/new panel install begins tomorrow and I suspect down all of May.

Corbin 

On May 2, 2021 at 10:17 AM, Terry Adams <terrywadams@...> wrote:

My DF is down right now with the installation of electronic ignition and new starter, waiting for parts.  Won't make Spring Fling, hopefully there will be the fall get together.

Terry
N41521
KSCK

On 5/2/2021 6:28 AM, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Rev up your engines! 


Any flying Dragonflies converge KDEH

Drive ins welcome resist the Q domination, represent the other tandem wing airplane.

Border town USA

One Sky Dog


On Saturday, May 1, 2021, 8:41 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

OK. Everyone knows about the Spring Fling. May 21-22-23.
KDEH Decorah IA.
Lets see a show of hands.
I know I did this before, but things change, like, one Californian is coming.

Charlie, OSD, please send this to the DF list. I’m old and can’t seem to find that email address. Thanks!

Also, Bruce, where did you all, or allyall, stay last year. Others might want to make reservations there as well.

There are two courtesy cars at the airport as well.

Hope to see everyone in three weeks.






Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B  548  hrs
Luana, IA.










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