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Re: ADS-B

Dan L
 


It seems that most of the avionics manufacturers have been introducing their latest ADS-B offerings with promised low pricing to get interest in the market. Then the price magically goes up quite a bit when the product actually makes it to market. Right now $1500 isn't too bad for an ADS-B setup provided you can install it yourself and have a place to mount it. When it comes time for me to equip the Q-1 it may be a challenge to find a mounting location. Experimental owners have it a bit easier than certificated. Right now it looks like it could cost me close to $6000 to equip my Grumman Yankee.

Experimental aircraft should probably wait to see what the market brings closer to 2020 since they can be self-installed. I am waiting on both myself to see if any of the all-in-one transponder solutions get more reasonably priced.

Dan


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Price started at 699 then went to 799, and I just saw 869, Now up to $1049 as of 5/7/2015, $1149 as of 9-3-2015.
I think I'll wait to 2020.
Mike Q200 N3QP
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Re: ADS-B

Mike Dwyer
 

From the RV-List
Price started at 699 then went to 799, and I just saw 869, Now up to $1049 as of 5/7/2015, $1149 as of 9-3-2015.
I think I'll wait to 2020.
Mike Q200 N3QP




On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:18 AM, dav8or@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Hi Mike,

Where did you find it for $700? I am assuming we are talking about the ADS600-EXP. On the Navworx site the unit itself is $1149.00. Then you have to add at a minimum the TransMonSPE option unless you already happen to have one of the few new transponders that will interface with the ADS-B unit. With that, the GPS and UAT antennas the setup prices out at more than $1500.

I have been watching this for a while as I have one experimental and one certificated plane to equip. It looks like I will be doing something different for each as the experimental may have lower cost options. I am waiting for a couple more years to see what happens. I am curious to see if Google and others will follow through on their claims of bringing a less expensive stand alone option to market.

Dan LaFon
Q-1  partially constructed
Avid Flyer Model C Speedwing
Grumman AA-1 Yankee   



That is the winner at $700.  Uses your existing (old) transponder, weighs a pound.  Looks like you need to install a GPS antenna and a transponder type antenna.   It outputs a wifi signal to your tablet to display the traffic.  I use an Android tablet with AVARE software.  AVARE is free Android software for navigation, flight planning, has airport facility directories, IFR charts...  Really, it's free but most people make a donation to the developers.  


Now will it drop in price as we approach 2020?  I'm going to hold out a bit.  Thanks Jerry for the info.
Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP

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Re: ADS-B

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Bruce,  after some repentance we will joyfully reinstate your status among the Q-drivers. (Whatever that status was).



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Date: 09/03/2015 1:32 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] ADS-B

 

Glass is sexy!  I still have the Tri Q200 and am trying to get time to top overhaul the cylinders.  Will take some time.  Perhaps this winter.
Bruce

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Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] ADS-B
Date: 02 Sep 2015 17:13:30 -0700

 

Thanks to you Guys,

I knew you had some ADS-B answers!

I am old school and have a mounted Garmin 296 (can switch to a 796 if necessary) both of which I think are WAAS capable. Sam Kittle suggested I call Garmin and discuss the possibilities with them. I will let you all know what they say.

P.S. I uploaded an interesting pix of N46JP ( to photos) after arriving back in the Bay Area last Sunday evening. Take a look. It's a little different perspective and might be suitable for desktop background if some one was so inclined. The dream is still alive! Don't tell Bruce though, he may want to sell that tin can and get back in  glass. 

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200 Lovin' it!

 

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Re: ADS-B

Bruce Crain
 

Re: ADS-B

Dan L
 

Hi Mike,

Where did you find it for $700? I am assuming we are talking about the ADS600-EXP. On the Navworx site the unit itself is $1149.00. Then you have to add at a minimum the TransMonSPE option unless you already happen to have one of the few new transponders that will interface with the ADS-B unit. With that, the GPS and UAT antennas the setup prices out at more than $1500.

I have been watching this for a while as I have one experimental and one certificated plane to equip. It looks like I will be doing something different for each as the experimental may have lower cost options. I am waiting for a couple more years to see what happens. I am curious to see if Google and others will follow through on their claims of bringing a less expensive stand alone option to market.

Dan LaFon
Q-1  partially constructed
Avid Flyer Model C Speedwing
Grumman AA-1 Yankee   



That is the winner at $700.  Uses your existing (old) transponder, weighs a pound.  Looks like you need to install a GPS antenna and a transponder type antenna.   It outputs a wifi signal to your tablet to display the traffic.  I use an Android tablet with AVARE software.  AVARE is free Android software for navigation, flight planning, has airport facility directories, IFR charts...  Really, it's free but most people make a donation to the developers.  

Now will it drop in price as we approach 2020?  I'm going to hold out a bit.  Thanks Jerry for the info.
Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP

Q200 Website: Mike Dwyer's Q200 Site

 
Re: ADS-B

Larry Severson
 

What type of glasses are needed to see the 3D?

 

Larry Severson

18242 Peters Ct

Fountain Valley, CA  92708

(714) 968-9852

 

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That is the winner at $700.  Uses your existing (old) transponder, weighs a pound.  Looks like you need to install a GPS antenna and a transponder type antenna.   It outputs a wifi signal to your tablet to display the traffic.  I use an Android tablet with AVARE software.  AVARE is free Android software for navigation, flight planning, has airport facility directories, IFR charts...  Really, it's free but most people make a donation to the developers.  

 

Now will it drop in price as we approach 2020?  I'm going to hold out a bit.  Thanks Jerry for the info.


Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP

 

Q200 Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

 



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Re: ADS-B

Jim Patillo
 

Thanks to you Guys,

I knew you had some ADS-B answers!

I am old school and have a mounted Garmin 296 (can switch to a 796 if necessary) both of which I think are WAAS capable. Sam Kittle suggested I call Garmin and discuss the possibilities with them. I will let you all know what they say.

P.S. I uploaded an interesting pix of N46JP ( to photos) after arriving back in the Bay Area last Sunday evening. Take a look. It's a little different perspective and might be suitable for desktop background if some one was so inclined. The dream is still alive! Don't tell Bruce though, he may want to sell that tin can and get back in  glass. 

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200 Lovin' it!
Re: ADS-B

Mike Dwyer
 

That is the winner at $700.  Uses your existing (old) transponder, weighs a pound.  Looks like you need to install a GPS antenna and a transponder type antenna.   It outputs a wifi signal to your tablet to display the traffic.  I use an Android tablet with AVARE software.  AVARE is free Android software for navigation, flight planning, has airport facility directories, IFR charts...  Really, it's free but most people make a donation to the developers.  

Now will it drop in price as we approach 2020?  I'm going to hold out a bit.  Thanks Jerry for the info.

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP

Q200 Website: http://q200.eu.pn/

 
Re: ADS-B

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Checkout Navworx ADS600-EXP.

 

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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 11:43 PM
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Subject: [Q-LIST] ADS-B

 

 

Just checking.

Who has complied with the ADS-B In - Out requirement for your Q? Any idea how to do it without spending a boatload of money?

Jim Patillo

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Re: Recommended Epoxy System?

Alvaro Domenighi
 

Jay, 

I work at 3M with the qualification of Arospace adhesives to different OEMs. One of the main points on the qualification of a new adhesive is the mechanicals (in different temperatures if necessary), if you have a Technical Data Sheet of the original adhesive I can search for a compatible adhesive. I want believe that one of the main factors will be overlap shear for fiberglass bonding.


On Monday, August 31, 2015, jay@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
 

Thanks guys for all the info on Epoxy's, very helpful.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel
Re: Recommended Epoxy System?

Larry Severson
 

One error listed the Tg (delinking temp) of EZ Poxy as being 155 degrees. That is the ultimate Tg, not the initial Tg which is less than 40 degrees above the temperature at which the epoxy cured. Post curing raises the Tg faster than time, which takes months of exposure to elevated temps. That is why white paint is used. It only raises the underlying epoxy 10 degrees in sunlight.

 

Larry Severson

18242 Peters Ct

Fountain Valley, CA  92708

(714) 968-9852

 

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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 9:20 AM
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Thanks guys for all the info on Epoxy's, very helpful.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel
Re: Recommended Epoxy System?

Jay Scheevel
 

Thanks guys for all the info on Epoxy's, very helpful.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel
Re: ADS-B

Mike Bergen
 

Also, check out Seattle Avionics, they have ADSB in/out for $1499 and you get Fly-Q for a year for free. I’ve been using Seattle Avionics products for many years and I have almost no complaints ( was not real thrilled with their SkyPad II). Fly-Q has bee a great product, and like Foreflight, they are always upgrading the APP.

http://www.seattleavionics.com/PADSB.aspx


On 8/31/15 11:12 AM, "'David J. Gall' David@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:


Jim,

Check out "FreeFlight" they have ADS-B out (only) for $2K, or ADS-B in and out for about $3.7K. ADS-B out is what will be needed come Jan. 1, 2020, but "in" gives traffic and weather.
Re: ADS-B

David J. Gall
 

Jim,

Check out "FreeFlight" they have ADS-B out (only) for $2K, or ADS-B in and out for about $3.7K. ADS-B out is what will be needed come Jan. 1, 2020, but "in" gives traffic and weather.
Re: ADS-B

Kevin Sheely
 

Jim,

I installed the Navworx ADS600-EXP but I haven't flown with it yet.

Kevin (Q200, dragger, 58 hours)

From: Jim Patillo logistics_engineering@... [Q-LIST] ;
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Subject: [Q-LIST] ADS-B
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 3:43:04 AM

 

Just checking.

Who has complied with the ADS-B In - Out requirement for your Q? Any idea how to do it without spending a boatload of money?

Jim Patillo

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Re: ADS-B

Mike Bergen
 

This is the most affordable that I know at this time. It is a portable system.

http://navworx.com/products-PADS-B.php

R- Mike Bergen


On 8/30/15 11:43 PM, "Jim Patillo logistics_engineering@... [Q-LIST]" <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

Just checking.

Who has complied with the ADS-B In - Out requirement for your Q? Any idea how to do it without spending a boatload of money?

Jim Patillo

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ADS-B

Jim Patillo
 

Just checking.

Who has complied with the ADS-B In - Out requirement for your Q? Any idea how to do it without spending a boatload of money?


Jim Patillo


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Re: Recommended Epoxy System?

Larry Severson
 

I am working a unique system that involves a heat box w/fan and smaller parts up to 6.5 ft long, not a complete Q2.

 

Larry Severson

18242 Peters Ct

Fountain Valley, CA  92708

(714) 968-9852

 

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Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 3:18 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Recommended Epoxy System?

 

 

Larry,

 

Post cures need to be controlled events. It is very difficult to follow a post cure schedule and keep the whole structure even temperature. That is why I use Aeropoxy and get a Tg over 150F. No need to post cure and take a chance of ruining your structure.

 

Your method will leave the structure with areas that the Tg increased and areas where it did not increase. Maybe if you build a giant rotating fixture and spin it the sun can heat the whole thing.

 

Regards,

 

Charlie Johnson


On Aug 28, 2015, at 12:35 PM, 'Larry Severson' larry2@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:

If you go to vacuum infusion using the PTM&W (2712) epoxy, the Tg can be raised to 212 degrees F. But that requires slow post curing cycles. That means raising the temp 10-20 degrees in at least 2 hour cycle periods. Every time you take the plane out of the hanger, if the temp is above the initial curing temp, the Tg will be raised, as long as the new temp is higher than the previous time. Unfortunately, if the plane is exposed to above Tg temp at any time, the plane is subjected to epoxy delinking and plane sag.

 

Each epoxy has a different ultimate Tg.

 

Larry Severson

18242 Peters Ct

Fountain Valley, CA  92708

(714) 968-9852

 

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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:44 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Recommended Epoxy System?

 

 

I'm not Charlie, but I've done quite a few
postcuring tests and DMA/DMTA Tg tests on epoxy
systems in various projects. I always saw a
definite upper limit for an epoxy system, no
matter what postcure cycle. Quite often they were
amazingly low, like 80 degrees Centrigrade for
low-viscosity vacuum-injection systems.

Rob

At 19:11 28 08 2015, you wrote:
>Thanks Charlie,
>
>Can you tell me, does Tg rise each time the
>ep oxy gets heated to a higher temp than the prior heating?
>
>Cheers,
>Jay
>
>

 

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Re: Recommended Epoxy System?

Bruce Crain
 

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