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Re: Elevator bushings

raoborg@...
 

Jim I purchased the Rulon bushing the first time I HEARD YOU TALKING ABOUT AND STILL DO NOT HAVE THEM INSTALLED SO PLEASE STICK AROUND AT LEAST UNTIL I GET MY Q2 IN THE AIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INFO AND KNOWLEDGE. RAOUL

--- logistics_engineering@... wrote:

From: "Jim P" <logistics_engineering@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 02:47:50 -0000

John,

I apologize for my rudeness earlier today and will remove myself from this list now. You caught me in a weak moment and this kind of stuff is not good for the group.

Good luck to you and so long,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@> wrote:










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Re: Elevator bushings

Dave Dugas
 

Unknown message poster,
If you are just starting to learn about Qs....welcome.  It's experienced people like Jim that we should be listening to though. Jim and others flying records speak for themselves.  A name and sign-of such as "flying Q2" would help to sort out ficticious advice givers.
Dave Dugas.....flying Q2

--- On Thu, 8/4/11, quickieaircraft <quickieaircraft@...> wrote:


From: quickieaircraft <quickieaircraft@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 1:08 PM


 



I'm just starting to learn about Qs, but it looks to me like crankiness induced by lack of flying. May I suggest than instances like this are resolved via a sentence of writing everyone 2 flight reports rather than removal from the list? ;)

PPL ASEL 130 hrs Sonerai 2L

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Clive" <gobxoy@...> wrote:

Jim, I aggree with Mike. Clive..Gobxoy

--- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@> wrote:

Jim, please don't remove yourself. We need the active fliers that actually built the Q to keep the rest honest. I am guilty of the same thing but figure that each reader needs to consider the source, flight tested or garage tested...
Mike

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim P
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:47 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings

John,

I apologize for my rudeness earlier today and will remove myself from this list now. You caught me in a weak moment and this kind of stuff is not good for the group.

Good luck to you and so long,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@> wrote:

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@> wrote:




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Q Trailer

John Hoxie
 

Anyone know the where abouts of a trailer built by Chuck Grazier. Terry Flanagan, one other person and I were partners. Twenty years ago we all paid $500. Chuck and Terry have died. David Hyatt told me 2 years ago he thought it was in Florida. I haven't got a chance to even use it.


Thinking about purchasing Q1

mlbcane <riverawynter@...>
 

Hello folks. I am about to fire the trigger on the purchase of a Q1. I am currently second in line to be offered to purchase the airplane. The airplane is listed in Barnstormers.

barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=446853

and also:

stargazer2006.online.fr/derivatives/superquickie.htm

However i've talked to the owner and he has not flown it since he acquired it (taxi testing and a few runs in the airstrip). I am a bit concerned about this as you guys can imagine. I am currently in Florida and the Airplane is in Topeka, KS so I cannot inspect it. There are no logs on the airplane either. Does anybody knows about this N4251F quickie? The airworthiness certificate was awarded back in 1982.

Does anybody has experience buying a project in such condition?

Thank You


Re: Thinking about purchasing Q1

britmcman99
 

Looks like a great little Q-1. Pictures do have a way of sometimes over
embellishing the favourable.

Try to find a high time 2 stroke airplane and its pilot. Talk to the pilot
about his experiences flyinga 2 stroke aircraft. Not too many of them
around. Some problems with engine over-revving while in decent; Some problems
with gas/oil mixture starvation with throttle chopped and subsequent engine
seizure.

Phil Lankford

In a message dated 8/4/2011 3:26:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
riverawynter@... writes:




Hello folks. I am about to fire the trigger on the purchase of a Q1. I am
currently second in line to be offered to purchase the airplane. The
airplane is listed in Barnstormers.

barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=446853

and also:

stargazer2006.online.fr/derivatives/superquickie.htm

However i've talked to the owner and he has not flown it since he acquired
it (taxi testing and a few runs in the airstrip). I am a bit concerned
about this as you guys can imagine. I am currently in Florida and the Airplane
is in Topeka, KS so I cannot inspect it. There are no logs on the airplane
either. Does anybody knows about this N4251F quickie? The airworthiness
certificate was awarded back in 1982.

Does anybody has experience buying a project in such condition?

Thank You





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Q1 Engine Measurements

Joe Walshton
 

Does anyone know the measurement from the shaft of the Onan to the top of the firewall?  I am just looking for the vertical measurement to ascertain how the thrust line of alternative engines would compare.

Thanks in advance!


Re: Elevator bushings

quickieaircraft
 

I'm just starting to learn about Qs, but it looks to me like crankiness induced by lack of flying. May I suggest than instances like this are resolved via a sentence of writing everyone 2 flight reports rather than removal from the list? ;)

PPL ASEL 130 hrs Sonerai 2L

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Clive" <gobxoy@...> wrote:

Jim, I aggree with Mike. Clive..Gobxoy

--- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@> wrote:

Jim, please don't remove yourself. We need the active fliers that actually built the Q to keep the rest honest. I am guilty of the same thing but figure that each reader needs to consider the source, flight tested or garage tested...
Mike

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim P
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:47 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings

John,

I apologize for my rudeness earlier today and will remove myself from this list now. You caught me in a weak moment and this kind of stuff is not good for the group.

Good luck to you and so long,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@> wrote:

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@> wrote:










Re: Elevator bushings

Clive Clapham
 

Jim, I aggree with Mike. Clive..Gobxoy

--- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

Jim, please don't remove yourself. We need the active fliers that actually built the Q to keep the rest honest. I am guilty of the same thing but figure that each reader needs to consider the source, flight tested or garage tested...
Mike

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim P
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:47 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings

John,

I apologize for my rudeness earlier today and will remove myself from this list now. You caught me in a weak moment and this kind of stuff is not good for the group.

Good luck to you and so long,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@> wrote:

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@> wrote:




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Re: Elevator bushings

n200qt@ymail.com
 

Jim,

I concur with Mike. As a "newbee" to the Q-bird org I will need as many experienced folks helping me with input as I build, prep for flight, and initial flight as I can get. Please continue to participate in the Q-List group.

Neal

--- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Dwyer <q2pilot@...> wrote:

Jim, please don't remove yourself. We need the active fliers that actually built the Q to keep the rest honest. I am guilty of the same thing but figure that each reader needs to consider the source, flight tested or garage tested...
Mike

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim P
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:47 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings

John,

I apologize for my rudeness earlier today and will remove myself from this list now. You caught me in a weak moment and this kind of stuff is not good for the group.

Good luck to you and so long,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@> wrote:

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@> wrote:




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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Elevator bushings

Mike Dwyer
 

Jim, please don't remove yourself. We need the active fliers that actually built the Q to keep the rest honest. I am guilty of the same thing but figure that each reader needs to consider the source, flight tested or garage tested...
Mike

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Jim P
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:47 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings

John,

I apologize for my rudeness earlier today and will remove myself from this list now. You caught me in a weak moment and this kind of stuff is not good for the group.

Good luck to you and so long,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@> wrote:






Re: Elevator bushings

Jim Patillo
 

John,

I apologize for my rudeness earlier today and will remove myself from this list now. You caught me in a weak moment and this kind of stuff is not good for the group.

Good luck to you and so long,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@> wrote:






Re: Elevator bushings

One Sky Dog
 

In my opinion all those single bolt connections in aluminum tube look like
a recipe for flutter. Not to mention the steel aluminum corrosion
potential.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 8/3/2011 11:30:16 A.M. Alaskan Daylight Time,
johnl@... writes:

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J
bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


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From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:




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Re: Elevator bushings

Jim Patillo
 

Sorry to stoop to this fellas but sometimes you just have to match stupidity with stupidity. Besides I had some spare time on my hands today.

Loram...........you're full of it, with this and other misleading statements you've made regarding the J/B Mods you tried to pour water on, last time around. Mike Perry corrected your inaccuracies quickly and everyone knew it but you couldn't even acknowledge that.

I don't understand why you dislike me so much but the feeling is NOW mutual. The record speaks for itself, check it out. As for your pioneering the use of "Rulon J" on a Q in 2002, I think it would be save to assume one would have to have flown and proven his creation to call it "pioneering" and make that comment. You have not and probably won't, so I think you need to rethink that one. I've never seen your website, so I sure as hell didn't copy any idea you ever had. BTW I flew mine 1-12-06.

The bottom line is these mods are proven and work and do in my opinion, advance the evolution of the Q. So there! No one need reply to this bullshit as it is a waste of everyones time. Once again your semantics don't work here.

If you had a flying airplane I might take you more seriously. Now go back to work and maybe one day you'll understand what you're talking about.

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200
Contributing to the cause as always!

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@> wrote:






Re: Elevator bushings

John Loram <johnl@...>
 

Hi Jim: "Pioneered" is a sometimes miss understood term: I'll give you the
"first flight" with Rulon J bearings, but I installed an all Rulon J bearing
system in my project in early 2002 and documented it at that time on my
website, here: http://www.loram.org/ControlSystem.htm . I credit Bob Farnam
for suggesting Rulon J.

For others: the Elevator/Aileron Flanged Bushing (QCSM6) is an Oilite
FB36-02
Hole I.D. = 1/4"
Hole O.D. = 3/8" Length Flange= 1/4"
O.D. Flange= 1/2"
Thickness 3/64

The bushing and it's part number is document under "Pre-Fab Parts" on the
Q2/200 BOM at:
http://www.loram.org/Q2%20Parts%20List.htm , The BOM is now at Rev 1.9.3

-john-


_____

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
Jim P
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:07 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using
"Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot
point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006
and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really
well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:


Re: Elevator bushings

quickheads
 

Yeah, Sorry everyone. I'm in Washington DC this week for work, so I only have access to the drawings, not my plane. Oooops! At any rate, my drawings have dimensions that I thought were radiuses, they were diameters. Sorry everyone, all of the dimensions that I mentioned should be halved as follows:

QCSM4 Elevator Mid Span Pivot Bushing
I.D. .1875"
O.D. .3125"

QCSM6 Elevator and Aileron
Outboard Pivot Bushings
I.D. .25"
O.D. .3125"

Sorry for my confusion. I hope this helps. Please let me know.

Thanks,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 21:01:05 -0500, Sam Hoskins wrote:
Dan, we need a double check here. Aren't the outboard pins a quarter
inch?

Sent via mobile gizmo.
On Aug 2, 2011 7:22 PM, wrote:
> Here's the measurements I took on my own project.
>
> QCSM4 Elevator Mid Span Pivot Bushing
> I.D. .375"
> O.D. .625"
>
> QCSM6 Elevator and Aileron
> Outboard Pivot Bushings
> I.D. .5"
> O.D. .625"
>
> Does that seem to make sense? I made these part of the drawings
that
> are for sale on the QBA site.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3jrcv6j [2]
>
> Hope this helps. Please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Yager
> QBA Editor
> www.quickheads.com
>


Re: Elevator bushings

Sam Hoskins
 

Dan, we need a double check here. Aren't the outboard pins a quarter inch?

Sent via mobile gizmo.

On Aug 2, 2011 7:22 PM, <dan@...> wrote:
Here's the measurements I took on my own project.

QCSM4 Elevator Mid Span Pivot Bushing
I.D. .375"
O.D. .625"

QCSM6 Elevator and Aileron
Outboard Pivot Bushings
I.D. .5"
O.D. .625"

Does that seem to make sense? I made these part of the drawings that
are for sale on the QBA site.

http://tinyurl.com/3jrcv6j

Hope this helps. Please let me know.

Thanks,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com



On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 18:08:59 -0600, Mike Dwyer wrote:
Ok, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.



Here are the locations for the Bearings:



McMaster

Location Part Number Quantity

Elevator mid span ...6627K13 2

Elevator end.........6627K13 2

Aileron end..........6362K212 2

Rudder Top...........6362K212 1


I looked back to the plans and they only call out QCSM... not the OD
of the pin, so there is the problem.

I'm remembering the QCSM's for the ailerons and rudder are 3/16" and
the Elevator used 1/4"?



I like the LR type for it's strength and chemical resistance. The
PEEK type fot the elevator seems good, wicked strong.



Do you put any grease on these, they say self lubricating? I guess
grease would keep the steel pin from rusting.



Thanks,

Mike Q200 N3QP






________________________________
To: Q-LIST@...
From: davedq2@...
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:53:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




Hi Dan.....I think I'm all set with info. Thank you for the
reply....Also Jim, Sam, and John. Now I've got work to do; Bushings,
new radios, and a new propeller.
Thanks again Dave D

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Jim P

<logistics_engineering@...<mailto:logistics_engineering@...>>
wrote:

From: Jim P

<logistics_engineering@...<mailto:logistics_engineering@...>>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings
To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 5:06 PM



John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including
using "Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the
mid
span pivot point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12,
2006 and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They
work
really well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>, "John
Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:

Here is a link to some product literature about Rulon bearings.
http://www.welkerproducts.com/pdf/bearing.pdf

Notice that Rulon J is preferred over Rulon LR for the type of
service to
which we are applying these bearings (soft metal shafts, and
replacing
bronze bearings).

-john-


-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
[mailto:Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>]
On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:05 AM
To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

They seem to be fine, though I haven't inspected them yet.

I think this might be what you need, but verify the sizes.

26362K212
<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6362K212>Rulon
Lr Sleeve Bearing, for 3/16" Shaft Diameter, 5/16" OD, 1/2"
L, 7/16" Flange OD2 Each
201.78
Each



On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Thanks Sam
How are they working out? I think you gave me the
dimensions for the
outboard elevator bushings....still need dimensions for the
elevator
mid-span bushings. Thanks again Dave D

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 10:55 AM

*I got these from McMaster Carr*
*
*
*
*
LineDescriptionOrderedShippedBalanceUnit
PriceTotal16627K13<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6627K
13
High-Performance
PEEK Flanged Sleeve Bearing, for 1/4" Shaft Diameter, 5/16"
OD, 1/4"
L, 1/2"
Flange OD
D
4
Each
403.82

Each

Sam

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Dave Dugas
<davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Good Morning,
I'm going to change my elevator bushings to Rulon J, but I
need
the ID...OD dimensions of the mid span and outer bushings.
I've
been looking through the plans etc. but can't find any
sizes given.
Also I just got
an
e-mail that my Cloudcars propeller is ready to be shipped.
If
Rene's performance numbers can be duplicated on
N68DD...I'll be very happy.
Thanks.
Dave D


Re: Elevator bushings

quickheads
 

Here's the measurements I took on my own project.

QCSM4 Elevator Mid Span Pivot Bushing
I.D. .375"
O.D. .625"

QCSM6 Elevator and Aileron
Outboard Pivot Bushings
I.D. .5"
O.D. .625"

Does that seem to make sense? I made these part of the drawings that are for sale on the QBA site.

http://tinyurl.com/3jrcv6j

Hope this helps. Please let me know.

Thanks,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 18:08:59 -0600, Mike Dwyer wrote:
Ok, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.



Here are the locations for the Bearings:



McMaster

Location Part Number Quantity

Elevator mid span ...6627K13 2

Elevator end.........6627K13 2

Aileron end..........6362K212 2

Rudder Top...........6362K212 1


I looked back to the plans and they only call out QCSM... not the OD
of the pin, so there is the problem.

I'm remembering the QCSM's for the ailerons and rudder are 3/16" and
the Elevator used 1/4"?



I like the LR type for it's strength and chemical resistance. The
PEEK type fot the elevator seems good, wicked strong.



Do you put any grease on these, they say self lubricating? I guess
grease would keep the steel pin from rusting.



Thanks,

Mike Q200 N3QP






________________________________
To: Q-LIST@...
From: davedq2@...
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:53:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




Hi Dan.....I think I'm all set with info. Thank you for the
reply....Also Jim, Sam, and John. Now I've got work to do; Bushings,
new radios, and a new propeller.
Thanks again Dave D

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Jim P
<logistics_engineering@...<mailto:logistics_engineering@...>>
wrote:

From: Jim P
<logistics_engineering@...<mailto:logistics_engineering@...>>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings
To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 5:06 PM



John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including
using "Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid
span pivot point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12,
2006 and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work
really well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>, "John
Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:

Here is a link to some product literature about Rulon bearings.
http://www.welkerproducts.com/pdf/bearing.pdf

Notice that Rulon J is preferred over Rulon LR for the type of
service to
which we are applying these bearings (soft metal shafts, and
replacing
bronze bearings).

-john-


-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
[mailto:Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>]
On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:05 AM
To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

They seem to be fine, though I haven't inspected them yet.

I think this might be what you need, but verify the sizes.

26362K212
<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6362K212>Rulon
Lr Sleeve Bearing, for 3/16" Shaft Diameter, 5/16" OD, 1/2"
L, 7/16" Flange OD2 Each
201.78
Each



On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Thanks Sam
How are they working out? I think you gave me the
dimensions for the
outboard elevator bushings....still need dimensions for the
elevator
mid-span bushings. Thanks again Dave D

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 10:55 AM

*I got these from McMaster Carr*
*
*
*
*
LineDescriptionOrderedShippedBalanceUnit
PriceTotal16627K13<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6627K
13
High-Performance
PEEK Flanged Sleeve Bearing, for 1/4" Shaft Diameter, 5/16"
OD, 1/4"
L, 1/2"
Flange OD
D
4
Each
403.82

Each

Sam

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Dave Dugas
<davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Good Morning,
I'm going to change my elevator bushings to Rulon J, but I
need
the ID...OD dimensions of the mid span and outer bushings.
I've
been looking through the plans etc. but can't find any
sizes given.
Also I just got
an
e-mail that my Cloudcars propeller is ready to be shipped.
If
Rene's performance numbers can be duplicated on
N68DD...I'll be very happy.
Thanks.
Dave D


Re: Elevator bushings

Mike Dwyer
 

Ok, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.



Here are the locations for the Bearings:



McMaster

Location Part Number Quantity

Elevator mid span ...6627K13 2

Elevator end.........6627K13 2

Aileron end..........6362K212 2

Rudder Top...........6362K212 1


I looked back to the plans and they only call out QCSM... not the OD of the pin, so there is the problem.

I'm remembering the QCSM's for the ailerons and rudder are 3/16" and the Elevator used 1/4"?



I like the LR type for it's strength and chemical resistance. The PEEK type fot the elevator seems good, wicked strong.



Do you put any grease on these, they say self lubricating? I guess grease would keep the steel pin from rusting.



Thanks,

Mike Q200 N3QP






________________________________

To: Q-LIST@...
From: davedq2@...
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:53:12 -0700
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings




Hi Dan.....I think I'm all set with info. Thank you for the
reply....Also Jim, Sam, and John. Now I've got work to do; Bushings,
new radios, and a new propeller.
Thanks again Dave D

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Jim P
<logistics_engineering@...<mailto:logistics_engineering@...>>
wrote:

From: Jim P
<logistics_engineering@...<mailto:logistics_engineering@...>>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings
To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 5:06 PM



John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including
using "Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid
span pivot point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12,
2006 and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work
really well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>, "John
Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:

Here is a link to some product literature about Rulon bearings.
http://www.welkerproducts.com/pdf/bearing.pdf

Notice that Rulon J is preferred over Rulon LR for the type of service to
which we are applying these bearings (soft metal shafts, and replacing
bronze bearings).

-john-


-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
[mailto:Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>]
On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:05 AM
To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

They seem to be fine, though I haven't inspected them yet.

I think this might be what you need, but verify the sizes.

26362K212
<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6362K212>Rulon
Lr Sleeve Bearing, for 3/16" Shaft Diameter, 5/16" OD, 1/2"
L, 7/16" Flange OD2 Each
201.78
Each



On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Thanks Sam
How are they working out? I think you gave me the
dimensions for the
outboard elevator bushings....still need dimensions for the
elevator
mid-span bushings. Thanks again Dave D

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

To: Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST@...>
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 10:55 AM

*I got these from McMaster Carr*
*
*
*
*
LineDescriptionOrderedShippedBalanceUnit
PriceTotal16627K13<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6627K
13
High-Performance
PEEK Flanged Sleeve Bearing, for 1/4" Shaft Diameter, 5/16"
OD, 1/4"
L, 1/2"
Flange OD
D
4
Each
403.82

Each

Sam

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Dave Dugas
<davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Good Morning,
I'm going to change my elevator bushings to Rulon J, but I need
the ID...OD dimensions of the mid span and outer bushings. I've
been looking through the plans etc. but can't find any
sizes given.
Also I just got
an
e-mail that my Cloudcars propeller is ready to be shipped. If
Rene's performance numbers can be duplicated on
N68DD...I'll be very happy.
Thanks.
Dave D

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Re: Elevator bushings

Dave Dugas
 

Hi Dan.....I think I'm all set with info.  Thank you for the reply....Also Jim, Sam, and John.  Now I've got work to do; Bushings, new radios, and a new propeller.
Thanks again     Dave D

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Jim P <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


From: Jim P <logistics_engineering@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Elevator bushings
To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 5:06 PM


 



John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using "Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006 and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:

Here is a link to some product literature about Rulon bearings.
http://www.welkerproducts.com/pdf/bearing.pdf

Notice that Rulon J is preferred over Rulon LR for the type of service to
which we are applying these bearings (soft metal shafts, and replacing
bronze bearings).

-john-


-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:05 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

They seem to be fine, though I haven't inspected them yet.

I think this might be what you need, but verify the sizes.

26362K212
<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6362K212>Rulon
Lr Sleeve Bearing, for 3/16" Shaft Diameter, 5/16" OD, 1/2"
L, 7/16" Flange OD2 Each
201.78
Each



On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Thanks Sam
How are they working out? I think you gave me the
dimensions for the
outboard elevator bushings....still need dimensions for the
elevator
mid-span bushings. Thanks again Dave D

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 10:55 AM

*I got these from McMaster Carr*
*
*
*
*
LineDescriptionOrderedShippedBalanceUnit
PriceTotal16627K13<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6627K
13
High-Performance
PEEK Flanged Sleeve Bearing, for 1/4" Shaft Diameter, 5/16"
OD, 1/4"
L, 1/2"
Flange OD
D
4
Each
403.82

Each

Sam

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Dave Dugas
<davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Good Morning,
I'm going to change my elevator bushings to Rulon J, but I need
the ID...OD dimensions of the mid span and outer bushings. I've
been looking through the plans etc. but can't find any
sizes given.
Also I just got
an
e-mail that my Cloudcars propeller is ready to be shipped. If
Rene's performance numbers can be duplicated on
N68DD...I'll be very happy.
Thanks.
Dave D

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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Re: Elevator bushings

Jim Patillo
 

John,

I gave Dave Dugas all this information last week via phone including using "Rulon J". The only dimension I didn't give him was for the mid span pivot point which I think Sam has now covered.

I pioneered the use of "Rulon J" bearings on Q's back on January 12, 2006 and since that time have not had to change any bearings. They work really well, still several hundred hours later.

Regards,
Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John Loram" <johnl@...> wrote:

Here is a link to some product literature about Rulon bearings.
http://www.welkerproducts.com/pdf/bearing.pdf

Notice that Rulon J is preferred over Rulon LR for the type of service to
which we are applying these bearings (soft metal shafts, and replacing
bronze bearings).

-john-


-----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...]
On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:05 AM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

They seem to be fine, though I haven't inspected them yet.

I think this might be what you need, but verify the sizes.

26362K212
<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6362K212>Rulon
Lr Sleeve Bearing, for 3/16" Shaft Diameter, 5/16" OD, 1/2"
L, 7/16" Flange OD2 Each
201.78
Each



On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Dave Dugas <davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Thanks Sam
How are they working out? I think you gave me the
dimensions for the
outboard elevator bushings....still need dimensions for the
elevator
mid-span bushings. Thanks again Dave D

--- On Tue, 8/2/11, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Elevator bushings

To: Q-LIST@...
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2011, 10:55 AM

*I got these from McMaster Carr*
*
*
*
*
LineDescriptionOrderedShippedBalanceUnit
PriceTotal16627K13<http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?partnum=6627K
13
High-Performance
PEEK Flanged Sleeve Bearing, for 1/4" Shaft Diameter, 5/16"
OD, 1/4"
L, 1/2"
Flange OD
D
4
Each
403.82

Each

Sam

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Dave Dugas
<davedq2@...> wrote:

**


Good Morning,
I'm going to change my elevator bushings to Rulon J, but I need
the ID...OD dimensions of the mid span and outer bushings. I've
been looking through the plans etc. but can't find any
sizes given.
Also I just got
an
e-mail that my Cloudcars propeller is ready to be shipped. If
Rene's performance numbers can be duplicated on
N68DD...I'll be very happy.
Thanks.
Dave D






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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links


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