Date   

Passed Inspection

Sanjay Dhall <sdhall@...>
 

My Q-200 has passed inspection. Today I have my signed logbooks and other
paperwork back along with Special Airworthiness Cert, Operating limitations,
and Repairman Cert.
The inspection was done by a local FSDO Airworthiness Inspector. Really a
very nice guy. He spent a lot of time, and looked at every system, all
moving parts, use of AN hardware, wear and heat based failure parts, made
several helpful suggestions and recommendations, also looked at the
construction logs, plans, and quizzed me about various sytems and how they
would react to various conditions. I sensed in him a healthy blend of
caution, and admiration for this very unique design of aircraft. His parting
words were "You have done a very nice job" and "be careful, dont bend it".
Thanks to so many of you for your continued help and advice to get me to
this point. Now its off to the next step!
Sanjay


Re: Tri Q landing gear

Martin Skiby
 

Great news, I had thought about making some molds from an unstarted set of
fuselage parts I had, but no need to. Glad to see someone taking the time to
bring this great plane back into the field. Fast and cheap to fly. Let's do
it. I am in California and will help out on this end of the States if
necessary.

Let me know.

Martin

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Richard" <mylittlemgb@...> wrote:

To all looking for the Tri-Q conversion. I am working with Scott at this time to take over building the kits for the Tri-Q conversion. I do hope to be ready for production buy about the end of the month. This will include the nose gear. I will be making a couple ahead so no one ever has to wait. We are also looking to bring back the Quickie kit with very minor changes and much less building time. My local FISDO office is helping so that it can be kept in the 51% rule. If I can be of any help please feel free to contact me anytime.

Richard Kaczmarek
mylittlemgb@...
(937) 243-7303


OFFLIST - Re: Tri Q landing gear

quickheads
 

Richard,
The website and online store are available to you whenever you're up and running. I look forward to hearing more about your kits and Tri-Q gear. Let's bring the Quickie back! ;-)

Warm regards,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:56:18 -0000, "Richard" <mylittlemgb@...> wrote:
To all looking for the Tri-Q conversion. I am working with Scott at
this time to take over building the kits for the Tri-Q conversion. I
do hope to be ready for production buy about the end of the month.
This will include the nose gear. I will be making a couple ahead so no
one ever has to wait. We are also looking to bring back the Quickie
kit with very minor changes and much less building time. My local
FISDO office is helping so that it can be kept in the 51% rule. If I
can be of any help please feel free to contact me anytime.

Richard Kaczmarek
mylittlemgb@... [1]
(937) 243-7303


Tri Q landing gear

Richard <mylittlemgb@...>
 

To all looking for the Tri-Q conversion. I am working with Scott at this time to take over building the kits for the Tri-Q conversion. I do hope to be ready for production buy about the end of the month. This will include the nose gear. I will be making a couple ahead so no one ever has to wait. We are also looking to bring back the Quickie kit with very minor changes and much less building time. My local FISDO office is helping so that it can be kept in the 51% rule. If I can be of any help please feel free to contact me anytime.

Richard Kaczmarek
mylittlemgb@...
(937) 243-7303


Re: Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger nosegear

quickheads
 

Rene,
If you can get a bulk order discount from your shop, I can help coordinate deposit collection if you'd like. Or you can post an ad in the classifieds. Let me know if I can help in any way.

Thanks,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 07:16:41 -0700 (PDT), Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:
Hi Mike,
 
I talked to Scott Swing at Velocity last year.  He sold Velocity
some time ago and is no longer in charge of his time.  He would love
to help us Tri Q guys out, but it is very difficult for him to make
one gear leg only and make it economical to do so.
 
I had mine made up at a machine shop close to home.  It cost me
$1000.00 to have the new gear leg made.  They are willing to make
more gear legs if needed.  Just contact me off line.
 
The new gear leg makes all the difference in the world.  No more
worries about shimmies, etc.  Well worth it I believe. 
 
Rene
Q2 C-GTCA 

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, rranch524 wrote:

From: rranch524
Subject: [Q-LIST] Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger
nosegear
To: Q-LIST@... [3]
Received: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 2:04 AM

 

Hi,

Flox nuts - I tried to flox some AN3 stop nuts into a piece of 1/2
inch phenolic and they came out the second time I removed the bolt.
What am I doing wrong?

Elevator travel - I have the hardware to connect the stick to the
elevators just like the original Q2 manual shows - fairly simple.
However, I only see about 18 degrees TOTAL movement, which doesn't
seem like nearly enough. If there is a template, I can't find it. As
an aside to this question, I don't see any way to bias one elevator in
order to balance the aircraft for when I'm flying by myself. I noticed
1 or 2 comments lately about this and it sounds like a great tool.

Nosegear - I find that I also have the original nose gear and that
there is a stronger one "available" (Scott Swing?). Or is there some
sort of modification available?

Mike, Tri-Q200 actively building (finally)



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Re: Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger nosegear

Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

Hi Mike,
 
I talked to Scott Swing at Velocity last year.  He sold Velocity some time ago and is no longer in charge of his time.  He would love to help us Tri Q guys out, but it is very difficult for him to make one gear leg only and make it economical to do so.
 
I had mine made up at a machine shop close to home.  It cost me $1000.00 to have the new gear leg made.  They are willing to make more gear legs if needed.  Just contact me off line.
 
The new gear leg makes all the difference in the world.  No more worries about shimmies, etc.  Well worth it I believe. 
 
Rene
Q2 C-GTCA

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, rranch524 <rranch524@...> wrote:


From: rranch524 <rranch524@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger nosegear
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 2:04 AM


 



Hi,

Flox nuts - I tried to flox some AN3 stop nuts into a piece of 1/2 inch phenolic and they came out the second time I removed the bolt. What am I doing wrong?

Elevator travel - I have the hardware to connect the stick to the elevators just like the original Q2 manual shows - fairly simple. However, I only see about 18 degrees TOTAL movement, which doesn't seem like nearly enough. If there is a template, I can't find it. As an aside to this question, I don't see any way to bias one elevator in order to balance the aircraft for when I'm flying by myself. I noticed 1 or 2 comments lately about this and it sounds like a great tool.

Nosegear - I find that I also have the original nose gear and that there is a stronger one "available" (Scott Swing?). Or is there some sort of modification available?

Mike, Tri-Q200 actively building (finally)








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Re: Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger nosegear

Richard <mylittlemgb@...>
 

Mike,

Scott does make the Tri-Q setup. At this time he and I are working together for me to take over the production of the parts. I do hope to have the transaction done by the end of this month. I will be making the parts on demand so no one has to wait. I am also in the process of bringing the Q kits back with some very minor changes. If I can be of any help please feel free to call or email. If I understood Scott correctly yesterday he does have a nose gear ready to go and he can be reached about anytime at Velocity Aircraft (772) 589-1860.

Richard Kaczmarek
2232 North State Route 559
Woodstock, OH 43084
(937) 243-7303
mylittlemgb@...

--- In Q-LIST@..., Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Mike,
The new nose gear is indeed made by Scott Swing. I think there was a move afoot last year to get some made, but I don't know if that got done. He likes to make several at a time, to make it worth his time, so he may not be interested in doing just one. Give him a call. He is very nice and will be able to fill you in.
Hope this helps.

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 199.6 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Apr 6, 2011, at 1:04 AM, rranch524 wrote:

Hi,

Flox nuts - I tried to flox some AN3 stop nuts into a piece of 1/2 inch phenolic and they came out the second time I removed the bolt. What am I doing wrong?

Elevator travel - I have the hardware to connect the stick to the elevators just like the original Q2 manual shows - fairly simple. However, I only see about 18 degrees TOTAL movement, which doesn't seem like nearly enough. If there is a template, I can't find it. As an aside to this question, I don't see any way to bias one elevator in order to balance the aircraft for when I'm flying by myself. I noticed 1 or 2 comments lately about this and it sounds like a great tool.

Nosegear - I find that I also have the original nose gear and that there is a stronger one "available" (Scott Swing?). Or is there some sort of modification available?

Mike, Tri-Q200 actively building (finally)





Re: Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger nosegear

British Auto Revival <mylittlemgb@...>
 

Mike,

Scott does make the Tri-Q setup. At this time he and I are working together for
me to take over the production of the parts. I do hope to have the transaction
done by the end of this month. I will be making the parts on demand so no one
has to wait. I am also in the process of bringing the Q kits back with some very
minor changes. If I can be of any help please feel free to call or email.
If I understood Scott correctly yesterday he does have a nose gear ready to go
and he can be reached about anytime at Velocity Aircraft (772) 589-1860. 

Richard Kaczmarek
2232 North State Route 559
Woodstock, OH 43084
(937) 243-7303
mylittlemgb@...



________________________________
From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 9:41:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger nosegear

Mike,
The new nose gear is indeed made by Scott Swing. I think there was a move afoot
last year to get some made, but I don't know if that got done. He likes to make
several at a time, to make it worth his time, so he may not be interested in
doing just one. Give him a call. He is very nice and will be able to fill you
in.
Hope this helps.

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B  199.6 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Apr 6, 2011, at 1:04 AM, rranch524 wrote:

Hi,

Flox nuts - I tried to flox some AN3 stop nuts into a piece of 1/2 inch
phenolic and they came out the second time I removed the bolt. What am I doing
wrong?

Elevator travel - I have the hardware to connect the stick to the elevators
just like the original Q2 manual shows - fairly simple. However, I only see
about 18 degrees TOTAL movement, which doesn't seem like nearly enough. If there
is a template, I can't find it. As an aside to this question, I don't see any
way to bias one elevator in order to balance the aircraft for when I'm flying by
myself. I noticed 1 or 2 comments lately about this and it sounds like a great
tool.

Nosegear - I find that I also have the original nose gear and that there is a
stronger one "available" (Scott Swing?). Or is there some sort of modification
available?

Mike, Tri-Q200 actively building (finally)



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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

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Re: Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger nosegear

Kevin Boddicker
 

Mike,
The new nose gear is indeed made by Scott Swing. I think there was a move afoot last year to get some made, but I don't know if that got done. He likes to make several at a time, to make it worth his time, so he may not be interested in doing just one. Give him a call. He is very nice and will be able to fill you in.
Hope this helps.

Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 199.6 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Apr 6, 2011, at 1:04 AM, rranch524 wrote:

Hi,

Flox nuts - I tried to flox some AN3 stop nuts into a piece of 1/2 inch phenolic and they came out the second time I removed the bolt. What am I doing wrong?

Elevator travel - I have the hardware to connect the stick to the elevators just like the original Q2 manual shows - fairly simple. However, I only see about 18 degrees TOTAL movement, which doesn't seem like nearly enough. If there is a template, I can't find it. As an aside to this question, I don't see any way to bias one elevator in order to balance the aircraft for when I'm flying by myself. I noticed 1 or 2 comments lately about this and it sounds like a great tool.

Nosegear - I find that I also have the original nose gear and that there is a stronger one "available" (Scott Swing?). Or is there some sort of modification available?

Mike, Tri-Q200 actively building (finally)



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Re: Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger nosegear

quickheads
 

Mike,
The original Q2 plans use a single Q2CSA8 and a universal joint to connect the two elevator halves.

The "updated" Q-200 plans had two Q2CSA8's and two torque tubes connected to the stick. This allowed the builder to adjust each side individually. Please let me know which system you're using. If you need the updated drawing I can e-mail it to you.

Cheers,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On Wed, 06 Apr 2011 06:04:24 -0000, "rranch524" <rranch524@...> wrote:
Hi,

Flox nuts - I tried to flox some AN3 stop nuts into a piece of 1/2
inch phenolic and they came out the second time I removed the bolt.
What am I doing wrong?

Elevator travel - I have the hardware to connect the stick to the
elevators just like the original Q2 manual shows - fairly simple.
However, I only see about 18 degrees TOTAL movement, which doesn't
seem like nearly enough. If there is a template, I can't find it. As
an aside to this question, I don't see any way to bias one elevator in
order to balance the aircraft for when I'm flying by myself. I noticed
1 or 2 comments lately about this and it sounds like a great tool.

Nosegear - I find that I also have the original nose gear and that
there is a stronger one "available" (Scott Swing?). Or is there some
sort of modification available?

Mike, Tri-Q200 actively building (finally)


Tri-Q: Flox nuts - Elevator travel - Stronger nosegear

Mike Evans
 

Hi,

Flox nuts - I tried to flox some AN3 stop nuts into a piece of 1/2 inch phenolic and they came out the second time I removed the bolt. What am I doing wrong?

Elevator travel - I have the hardware to connect the stick to the elevators just like the original Q2 manual shows - fairly simple. However, I only see about 18 degrees TOTAL movement, which doesn't seem like nearly enough. If there is a template, I can't find it. As an aside to this question, I don't see any way to bias one elevator in order to balance the aircraft for when I'm flying by myself. I noticed 1 or 2 comments lately about this and it sounds like a great tool.

Nosegear - I find that I also have the original nose gear and that there is a stronger one "available" (Scott Swing?). Or is there some sort of modification available?

Mike, Tri-Q200 actively building (finally)


Re: From - [Q-200_Engine_Group] Good carb for sale on Ebay

quickheads
 

Sam posted on the Q-200 Engine group about a nice MA3 carb on eBay.

Here's a direct link for your convenience:

http://tinyurl.com/6zngxv4

Come from an O-200A that was disassembled at 175 SHOH.

Cheers,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On Fri, 1 Apr 2011 18:13:00 -0500, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Looks like a nice MA3, with a Brackett filter for sale on Ebay.
 Look for auction 190517755417

Sam


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QBA Website Stuff. . .

quickheads
 

Hey All,
There is still one free membership or extension available for any brave soul who wants to upload some pictures to Quicker:

http://www.quickheads.com/Quicker.html

I will also extend that offer (for a limited time) to anyone who uploads (Q-related) videos to Q-tube:

http://www.quickheads.com/q-tube/frontpage.html

I would like to have both of these pieces of software tested and fully functional before the next newsletter comes out at the end of this month. So I appreciate you all doing the testing with me.

In other news, there has been a small swell in the number of Q2's and Q-200 kits available in the classified ads. If you're looking for a project and haven't looked at the ads in a while you might want to check them out:

http://www.quickheads.com/forsale.html

Finally, my current (website) project is to update the member list so that it's a little more useful. I am working with Google Maps, so that it places a colored marker on the map based on where you are and what type of Q you own.

You will also be able to sort the list by Name, Q-Type, State, Country, etc. You will also have the ability to upload a picture of yourself or your plane, and enter pertinent data about your current project including its current condition, engine/prop info, cruise speed, pitch buck speed etc.

I should have all of that figured out within the next couple of weeks. So expect to hear more about that soon! (Hopefully by the next newsletter.)

Thanks for listening.

Warm regards,
Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com


Re: Midspan Elevator Pivot - Accident Reports

quickheads
 

I did a search on the website for "Tom Curry" and came up with the following two links. I linked to the accident reports (with pictures) from the bottom of each of those articles so that they are easier to locate.

http://www.quickheads.com/q-talk-124-post-accident-update.html

http://www.quickheads.com/q-talk-125-odds-and-ends.html

Thanks Doug! Hope this helps, please let me know. Be safe guys.

Dan Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Doug Humble" <hawkidoug@...> wrote:

Jay, I also published the accident photos in a newsletter and they should be in the old newsletter photos section at the QBA web site. Don't have time at the moment to figure out which one. Might be a good opportunity to use the search function.

Doug Humble
A Sign Above
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
402-250-9075

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Re: Midspan Elevator Pivot

Doug Humble <hawkidoug@...>
 

Jay, I also published the accident photos in a newsletter and they should be in the old newsletter photos section at the QBA web site. Don't have time at the moment to figure out which one. Might be a good opportunity to use the search function.

Doug Humble
A Sign Above
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
402-250-9075


Re: Out gunned @ Sun N Fun

Mike Lutman <mikeinvestor2003@...>
 

There was actually a second Q2 in the LSA area, but it was a non-flying example.

--- On Sun, 4/3/11, Me <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

From: Me <jnmarstall@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Out gunned @ Sun N Fun
To: q-list@...
Date: Sunday, April 3, 2011, 8:02 AM







 









There were 2 Dragonflys to our one Q.

Mike Dwyer kept us from being shutout.



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Re: Midspan Elevator Pivot

Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
 

Jay,
I sent you a copy offline. I assume it's what you wanted...

- Paul

From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of scheevel@...
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 09:27
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Midspan Elevator Pivot



You are absolutely right, Sam. I love the "collective knowledge" aspect of this list. I have downloaded the pdf's of the accident report, but the photos that were once there have disappeared from the NTSB website. Maybe they were somewhere else? Does anyone have a copy of the photos that the investigators took of the broken parts? I know they exist, because I looked at them a few years ago.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel -- Tri-Q still building

--- In Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>, "Sam Kittle" <skittle@...> wrote:

Jay,



I believe the Q from Florida that crashed in Branson, MO due to midspan
elevator failure was a Tri-Q.



Sam



_____

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Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Midspan Elevator Pivot






Hi Doug,

That is a good point, I have tried to minimize the width of the bushing for
this reason, but also maximize lateral stability of the bushing contact. I
am building a Tri-Q with a straight LS-1 canard, so my flex will be much
less than the tail dragger so should not be a problem for me. Now that you
mention it, the flex may be a contributing factor to the failure/fatique on
those that failed using the original design. I think that all cases that
have been reported have been on conventional Q2's.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel -- Tri-Q still building

--- In Q-LIST@...<mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "Doug
Humble" <hawkidoug@> wrote:

Jay, there is a lot of flex in the canard. Do you anticipate such a wide
gripping point having any issues on the torque tube itself at midpoint? I
know you think these things out, so I am just curious. And I can't remember
if you are building a tail dragger or a Tri-Q.

Doug Humble
A Sign Above
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
402-250-9075








Sun N Fun Flight report

Mike Dwyer
 

The wife and I flew into Sun N Fun Saturday. The procedure is fly over the powerplant and a controller will tell you to rock your wings. First he told the low wing to rock your wings. As I got one low and one high there was no wing rocking from me, no one else around either. So then he says Dragonfly rock your wings and as that's pretty close I rock em and he says thanks. Ahead of me are two fast movers a seaplane and a twin Aerocomander. So I get to 112K (supposed to be 100) and buzz anong with them. No problem until on downwind for RWY27. The controller has me on downwind and says turn base now. Well that would put me in front of the aerocomander on longer final so I say no thanks. He then says somethng like work the spacing out yourself (I like that better anyway). The aero is down and I'm right behind him on the orange dot or later (that's the controlers instruction). The aero kept up his rollout speed and everything worked out great. Pulled into the homebuilt area and was met by the smileing face of Jerry Marstal in his official airplane parking jacket. Only thing better would be if his wife was working the red paddles also but she was busy at the registration booth. 9:20am I think we shut down in front of the homebuilt registration. We got our vendor passes from our buds at Warner Aerocraft and headed to the forum building where Jerry hosted the QB forum. We had 1 builder Kevin who is getting pretty close, another that is dormant. I guess I was the only Q as Roy didn't bring his Q1 over this year. So there doesn't seem to be much Q activity in FL these days. Later in the morning a couple of Dragonflys parked next to the Q200. Would have liked tt talk to them but didn't get a chance. They had some Cessnas parked in the homebuilt area to make it look more full. 20 years ago it was packed, recently not so much, Saturday maybe 1/2 full.

We asked our buddies that were in the tornado on Thursday. They escaped harm as the trailer they were operating out of blocked the wind for their display aircraft. But right in front of them were several planes blown down the ramp and mangled. It rained hard much of the day but by evening Sun N Fun had some cranes and flat beds and were busily picking up wreckage and moving it to a hangar. There was an engine in the homebuilt area sitting by itself. The plane it came off of was tossed end over end resulting in the engine seperating from the airframe which continued blowing. One light plane pulled loose from it's tie downs and flew 150 feet downwind - over the top of another plane without hitting it and landed on its gear without a scratch visable. The police ran everyone off the field with the threat of arrest. This is totaly unacceptable to me. If I had a damaged plane I wouldn't want some yahoo doing more damage with a crane. I'd want to be present. I wonder how many lawsuits there will be after that? One manufacturer did threaten Sun N Fun with a suit if they touched his planes - they left his alone. In the interest of cleaning up the field a lot of corners seemed to be cut. I guess the field was up and operating Friday after the storm but was a muddy mess.

By Saturday the place was drying out and looked pretty normal, except for quite a few places where there were missing vendor tents (probably blown away).

After the airshow the field was open at 6pm and we pulled the tiedowns and prepared to fly home. Unfortunately the wind favored Rwy 27 which means a looonggg taxi. As we went by the Blue Angel crew they were looking and pointing at the Q so we waved. They all waved back. Lots of planes leaving even tho there was still 1 day left. 30 minutes later I'm showng 220F oil temp and not real happy. The Q bird needs to get in the air to cool down. The feds are using big rwy 27L to launch two side by side with taxiway 27R launching another set of planes. I think if the wind is out of the west I may just buzz out prior to the airshow next time.

Quite a different year at Sun N Fun... kinda sad year.
Mike Q200 N3QP


Re: Midspan Elevator Pivot

scheevel@...
 

You are absolutely right, Sam. I love the "collective knowledge" aspect of this list. I have downloaded the pdf's of the accident report, but the photos that were once there have disappeared from the NTSB website. Maybe they were somewhere else? Does anyone have a copy of the photos that the investigators took of the broken parts? I know they exist, because I looked at them a few years ago.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel -- Tri-Q still building

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Sam Kittle" <skittle@...> wrote:

Jay,



I believe the Q from Florida that crashed in Branson, MO due to midspan
elevator failure was a Tri-Q.



Sam



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Hi Doug,

That is a good point, I have tried to minimize the width of the bushing for
this reason, but also maximize lateral stability of the bushing contact. I
am building a Tri-Q with a straight LS-1 canard, so my flex will be much
less than the tail dragger so should not be a problem for me. Now that you
mention it, the flex may be a contributing factor to the failure/fatique on
those that failed using the original design. I think that all cases that
have been reported have been on conventional Q2's.

Cheers,
Jay Scheevel -- Tri-Q still building

--- In Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> , "Doug
Humble" <hawkidoug@> wrote:

Jay, there is a lot of flex in the canard. Do you anticipate such a wide
gripping point having any issues on the torque tube itself at midpoint? I
know you think these things out, so I am just curious. And I can't remember
if you are building a tail dragger or a Tri-Q.

Doug Humble
A Sign Above
www.asignabove.net
Omaha NE
402-250-9075








Out gunned @ Sun N Fun

Me <jnmarstall@...>
 

There were 2 Dragonflys to our one Q.
Mike Dwyer kept us from being shutout.