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Re: First Flight soon
Kevin Boddicker
Joseph,
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I also had 120 hrs of taildragger time. I have no clue if that had any bearing on their decision. Kevin
On Feb 15, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Kevin Boddicker wrote:
Joseph,
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Re: First Flight soon
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Thank you Paul. Good counsel!
Joseph ________________________________ From: Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...> To: "Q-LIST@..." <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 8:30:09 AM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon  Just to add confusion – I think I came to about 90MPH as the best glide speed for my plane (most distance per altitude loss), but that was with the prop windmilling. I never tested it with the prop stopped, so that may make a difference. But I do agree with Sam and Bruce that carrying a little more speed is good until you’ve got the runway made is a good idea. At 90 MPH you don’t have a lot of room left to flare – especially under pressure. This may be an academic discussion though. The only time you’ll really need this number on first flight is on climb out when you have no chance of getting back to the runway. Once you reach 1000’ circling over the field, you won’t need to extend your glide, so best glide speed isn’t terribly important (but the side slip still is!). My opinion is if you lose the engine before 1000 feet AGL on first flight, you need to land straight ahead (plus or minus about 45 degrees). After first flight when you’ve got a feel for the airplane, you can adjust that, but since you don’t know the flying characteristics yet, straight ahead is the safest option. I also suggest you survey the airport grounds from the air to find your emergency landing spots (roads, fields, something soft!), and also things you will want to avoid (playgrounds, schools, etc.). Bottom line: Do not try to extend your glide on first flight – you’ve got too much other work to do. Just my opinion… - Paul From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Joseph M Snow Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 21:45 To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon Hi Bruce, Thanks! That's two votes for 118 mph with an added side slip. Joseph __ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: First Flight soon
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Thanks for the refrence. I have that publication. It is time to reread it
again! Joseph ________________________________ From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 7:56:56 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon I did some flight testing last year and I came up with something in that range. The data wasn't particularly even and I need to repeat the sequence a couple of times to get it right. http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/ac90-89a.pdf , page34 puts best glide as 1.5 times liftoff. Sam On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>wrote:
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Re: First Flight soon
I think 1.5x is a poor approximation. All airframes are different so I doubt that is accurate. I found 120 mph as my best glide, this speed also gives you plenty of elevator authority in the flair, so this is my chosen engine out speed. I did test this once when I carb iced on the turn to final. Mike Q200 N3QPSent from my Windows Phone
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From: Sam Hoskins Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 7:56 AM To: Q-LIST Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon
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Re: First Flight soon
Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Suggestion Joseph,
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I believe the critical part of landing the Q is getting the "picture" down final and through the flare. Ride with someone, even if they don't have dual controls, around the pattern until you can tell the pilot when he is high, when he is fast, when he is low, sinking, etc. In other words, verbally guide the pilot down final and through the flare and touchdown. When you have the picture, your mind/eye coordination will get the job done. If we understand what we see, the hands will automatically do it. Its when we don't know what we want done that we get into trouble. Don't under study the take off. I continue to believe the take off is the most dangerous part of any flight. The Q has caused several pilots serious consequences in this phase. I am sure a pilot will let you "ride" along on the stick controls during the takeoff and landings so you can get an idea as to how the stick pressures have to be dealt with. Earnest Martin coached me in this manner. We shot about a dozen patterns (not all in one day). I am sure a pilot will let you fly the pattern down to short final, if you are "right on" maybe further. Make sure you ride the controls through a go-around or two. Even if the pilot has to do the rudder and throttle work for you, it can be done. That way you can get a feel for the plane. When I could make verbal corrections to his patterns, takeoffs and landings, airspeed, pitch, etc, I felt ready. It worked great. My $0.02. Jerry
On 2/15/2011 10:41 PM, Joseph M Snow wrote:
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Re: First Flight soon
Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
Oh and I forgot to mention - Good Luck on the first flight!! We're all very excited for you!
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Joseph M Snow Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 16:44 To: QBA Subject: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon Hi , I need to know the engine-out best glide speed for the Q2xx, taildragger version...not that I plan to have an engine failure. Joseph
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Re: First Flight soon
Fisher Paul A. <fisherpaula@...>
Just to add confusion – I think I came to about 90MPH as the best glide speed for my plane (most distance per altitude loss), but that was with the prop windmilling. I never tested it with the prop stopped, so that may make a difference.
But I do agree with Sam and Bruce that carrying a little more speed is good until you’ve got the runway made is a good idea. At 90 MPH you don’t have a lot of room left to flare – especially under pressure. This may be an academic discussion though. The only time you’ll really need this number on first flight is on climb out when you have no chance of getting back to the runway. Once you reach 1000’ circling over the field, you won’t need to extend your glide, so best glide speed isn’t terribly important (but the side slip still is!). My opinion is if you lose the engine before 1000 feet AGL on first flight, you need to land straight ahead (plus or minus about 45 degrees). After first flight when you’ve got a feel for the airplane, you can adjust that, but since you don’t know the flying characteristics yet, straight ahead is the safest option. I also suggest you survey the airport grounds from the air to find your emergency landing spots (roads, fields, something soft!), and also things you will want to avoid (playgrounds, schools, etc.). Bottom line: Do not try to extend your glide on first flight – you’ve got too much other work to do. Just my opinion… - Paul From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Joseph M Snow Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 21:45 To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon Hi Bruce, Thanks! That's two votes for 118 mph with an added side slip. Joseph __
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Re: First Flight soon
I did some flight testing last year and I came up with something in that
range. The data wasn't particularly even and I need to repeat the sequence a couple of times to get it right. http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/aircraft/media/ac90-89a.pdf , page34 puts best glide as 1.5 times liftoff. Sam On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>wrote:
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Re: First Flight soon
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Ok, Will give them a try. However, your aircraft is a tricycle gear. The
problem is conventional gear and lacking taildragger experience Joseph ________________________________ From: Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> To: "Q-LIST@..." <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 11:31:42 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon  Joseph, Check out Falcon insurance. They covered me from first flight. I had 4 hours in type without dual controls. Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 Luana, IA. 196 hrs Sent from my iPod Touch On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> wrote: Pat
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Re: First Flight soon
Kevin Boddicker
Joseph,
Check out Falcon insurance. They covered me from first flight. I had 4 hours in type without dual controls. Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 Luana, IA. 196 hrs Sent from my iPod Touch On Feb 15, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> wrote: Pat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: First Flight soon
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Hi Bruce,
Thanks! That's two votes for 118 mph with an added side slip. Joseph ________________________________ From: "jcrain2@..." <jcrain2@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 10:39:12 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon  I concour with Sammy. 118 mph for engine out. And don't let yourself come up short. Plan for half way down the runway for touch down and when you get to the runway side slip to slow down.Bruce ---------- Original Message ---------- From: Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:22:22 -0800 (PST) Thanks to all that replied.� The Q2 manual says 90 mph;�and the gross weight is 1000 lbs.� My projected first flight gross weight at mid-CG is 1006 lbs.� Sam, is your 118 mph for a heaver gross weight, i.e. 1200-1300 lbs.? Joseph [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5b46edb57c73ecd2ast01vuc
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Re: First Flight soon
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Pat
That would be really great. However, I do not know of any Q2xx, taildragger version, equipped with dual controls. I have dual controls, but 40 hours must be completed before she is alowed to carry passengers... I did have excellent rides with Sam, Paul and Lynn at Beatrice this past fall. And, I have been doing a lot of taxiing. Still, Avemco will not insure me until I have completed 10 hours and 10 cycles. Probability stats are heavy against me. Joseph Snow Q2xx, N240JS www.corvairq.info Euclid, Ohio ________________________________ From: Pat Panzera <panzera@...> To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 6:07:10 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon  Is there any hope of getting some Q-200 stick-time prior to your first flight, so that you can practice some engine-out work, along with other skills? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> wrote: Hi , I need to know the engine-out best glide speed for the Q2xx, taildragger
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Re: First Flight soon
I concour with Sammy. 118 mph for engine out. And don't let yourself come up short. Plan for half way down the runway for touch down and when you get to the runway side slip to slow down.Bruce
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From: Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] First Flight soon Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:22:22 -0800 (PST) Thanks to all that replied.� The Q2 manual says 90 mph;�and the gross weight is 1000 lbs.� My projected first flight gross weight at mid-CG is 1006 lbs.� Sam, is your 118 mph for a heaver gross weight, i.e. 1200-1300 lbs.? Joseph ____________________________________________________________ $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4d5b46edb57c73ecd2ast01vuc
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Re: First Flight soon
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Thanks to all that replied. The Q2 manual says 90 mph; and the gross weight is
1000 lbs. My projected first flight gross weight at mid-CG is 1006 lbs. Sam, is your 118 mph for a heaver gross weight, i.e. 1200-1300 lbs.? Joseph
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Re: First Flight soon
Mike Perry
The Q2 POH says 90 mph. There are two versions of the POH on Jon's
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site, a pdf file and an editable doc file. Jon Finley Q2 documentation: http://www.finleyweb.net/JonsStuff/QuickieQ2Docs/tabid/58/Default.aspx There are also files I prepared for the differences between a Q2 and a Q200. Mike Perry
On 2/15/2011 2:43 PM, Joseph M Snow wrote:
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Re: First Flight soon
Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
Is there any hope of getting some Q-200 stick-time prior to your first
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flight, so that you can practice some engine-out work, along with other skills?
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...> wrote:
Hi , I need to know the engine-out best glide speed for the Q2xx, taildragger
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Re: First Flight soon
I think I once figured about 118 mph, but don’t hold me to it.
Sent via mobile. On Feb 15, 2011 4:43 PM, "Joseph M Snow" <1flashq@...> wrote: Hi , I need to know the engine-out best glide speed for the Q2xx,taildragger version...not that I plan to have an engine failure. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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First Flight soon
Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Hi , I need to know the engine-out best glide speed for the Q2xx, taildragger
version...not that I plan to have an engine failure. Joseph [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Important - Watch in amazement Garage Burglary Made Easy
Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
You're right James, I just wanted to show off my new math.
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On 2/15/2011 12:49 PM, JMasal@... wrote:
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Re: Important - Watch in amazement Garage Burglary Made Easy
JMasal@...
Marstall you Carolina ridege runners can only count as high as ten that's why you must think of it as the fop number. In civilized society, like Hollywood, a 5 star is tops!
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