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Re: Canard mounting

L.J. French <LFrench@...>
 

Unfortunately, my canard template is for the LS-1. If someone could cut
out a female template for the GU, we would have both for comparisons of all
aircraft. Take the hotwire template for cutting the canard at BL48.8 or
therabouts - lay it on a piece of fiberboard with the waterline accurately
lined up with one straight edge of the board and trace the template, cut it
out such that the female portion will accurately rest on the top of the
canard. The digital level would be placed on the straight surface on the top
which should now represent WL.
Does someone else have a better way to quickly provide this reference??

Lynn

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Finley <finley@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] RE: Canard mounting


Lynn,

Yes, please bring them and find me as soon as you get there. Are these
templates for the GU canard? We will plan on measuring all planes that
show
up at Ottawa (depending on which canard they have).

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: L.J. French [mailto:LFrench@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 9:57 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] RE: Canard mounting


I have the female templates cut out for BL48.8 and a Super Level
(digital) that seemed to work the best for me. Could bring them if
needed.
Lynn




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Re: Canard mounting

Jon Finley <finley@...>
 

Lynn,

What you describe is what I have for the GU canard although it's accuracy is
in question. I will double check it per the core cutting templates and
bring with me to Ottawa.

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: L.J. French [mailto:LFrench@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 1:00 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] RE: Canard mounting


Unfortunately, my canard template is for the LS-1. If someone
could cut
out a female template for the GU, we would have both for
comparisons of all
aircraft. Take the hotwire template for cutting the canard at BL48.8 or
therabouts - lay it on a piece of fiberboard with the waterline accurately
lined up with one straight edge of the board and trace the
template, cut it
out such that the female portion will accurately rest on the top of the
canard. The digital level would be placed on the straight surface
on the top
which should now represent WL.
Does someone else have a better way to quickly provide this reference??

Lynn

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Finley <finley@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] RE: Canard mounting


Lynn,

Yes, please bring them and find me as soon as you get there. Are these
templates for the GU canard? We will plan on measuring all planes that
show
up at Ottawa (depending on which canard they have).

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: L.J. French [mailto:LFrench@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 9:57 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] RE: Canard mounting


I have the female templates cut out for BL48.8 and a Super Level
(digital) that seemed to work the best for me. Could bring them if
needed.
Lynn




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Re: Canard mounting

BD5ER@...
 

It seems to me that the actual WL used in the initial jigging of the
aircraft is somewhat irrelevant to the task at hand if I have been following
this correctly. What we need to do is establish the "relative" angle of
incidences between the main and canard. Additionally it would be nice if
there was a quick way of putting a measuring device on the prop flange to
determine its orientation to the canard and BL 0.
The actual angle that the fuselage has while flying, to me at least, is
of secondary concern. A "misalignment" of 3 full inches when the fuselage is
initially jigged up is only about 1.2 degrees and is probably as much as
anyone would have messed up even if they used the split lines for the water
lines. I don't see 1.2 deg making much difference in the drag of the
fuselage or it's interaction with the lift of the wing(s).
This should simplify the measuring process. Wish I had time to attend
Ottawa and help out but I just don't see it happening this year. For sure
next year, and I plan to fly..........in my Q
=======================================

In a message dated 8/9/00 3:09:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
panzera@... writes:

<< IMHO, the only way to check one of our airplanes, it to make
templates from the prototype (or one that we know flys well) and
transfer the template locations to the ground. We'd also need a
way to reestablish the waterline on each ship being measured.
Some of us may not have installed a bubble level into the
fueslage at the time of building, and since the initial jigging
of the fueslage is arbitrary at best, one simply can't use hard
points such as the top of the rudder fin, or the forward edge of
the canopy.
>>


"Think outside the box - but fly in the envelope"
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/bd5er/Qpage.html">Q-2 page</A>
Leon McAtee


Re: Canard mounting

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Finley"


Lynn,

What you describe is what I have for the GU canard although
it's accuracy is
in question. I will double check it per the core cutting
templates and
bring with me to Ottawa.
Accuracy is totally in question, and without it, the whole
exercise if for not. The template is of the foam core, and does
not allow for the multiple layers of glass, nor the overlapping
of it.

Then comes the part of aligning a 2 dimensional jig with a 3
dimensional wing. Remember, we have tons of anihedral (sp?) so
any misalignment of the jig from being parallel with the
fueslage's centerline will throw off any measurements.
Additionally, the jig it self must be plumb or you'll get an
inaccurate reading.... and with that, the wing being measured
must be leveled span-wise. And from what point on an existing Q
will you hook or but the tape measure to establish BL48.8?

It's not just a matter of walking up to an airplane and plopping
down a jig with a level on it.

IMHO, the only way to check one of our airplanes, it to make
templates from the prototype (or one that we know flys well) and
transfer the template locations to the ground. We'd also need a
way to reestablish the waterline on each ship being measured.
Some of us may not have installed a bubble level into the
fueslage at the time of building, and since the initial jigging
of the fueslage is arbitrary at best, one simply can't use hard
points such as the top of the rudder fin, or the forward edge of
the canopy.

I'm totally behind the effort, and hope the best for all
involved.

Pat



Unfortunately, my canard template is for the LS-1. If
someone
could cut
out a female template for the GU, we would have both for
comparisons of all
aircraft. Take the hotwire template for cutting the canard at
BL48.8 or
therabouts - lay it on a piece of fiberboard with the
waterline accurately
lined up with one straight edge of the board and trace the
template, cut it
out such that the female portion will accurately rest on the
top of the
canard. The digital level would be placed on the straight
surface
on the top
which should now represent WL.
Does someone else have a better way to quickly provide this
reference??

Lynn

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Finley <finley@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 7:26 AM
Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] RE: Canard mounting


Lynn,

Yes, please bring them and find me as soon as you get
there. Are these
templates for the GU canard? We will plan on measuring all
planes that
show
up at Ottawa (depending on which canard they have).

Jon

-----Original Message-----
From: L.J. French [mailto:LFrench@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 9:57 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] RE: Canard mounting


I have the female templates cut out for BL48.8 and a
Super Level
(digital) that seemed to work the best for me. Could
bring them if
needed.
Lynn




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Re: Canard mounting

almedley@...
 

In a message dated 08/09/00 4:09:55 PM Central Daylight Time,
panzera@... writes:

<< Accuracy is totally in question, and without it, the whole exercise if
for not. The template is of the foam core, and does not allow for the
multiple layers of glass, nor the overlapping of it. >>

I was concerned about whether my wing and canard were angled properly. To
check, I used pieces of poster board. I drew lines parallel with the tops of
the boards through the centers of the boards. I used these lines as the
water lines as I traced the 48.8 foam cutout template drawings onto the
boards. I also traced in the slot cores and the elevators/ailerons.

I then cut out the outlines using an exacto knife, thereby producing forms
that I could slide over the wing and canard. Naturally, the heights of the
cutouts were too small because many layers of glass had been added to the
foam. However, the lengths of the cutouts were almost adequate since little
glass had been added to the leading edges and none had been added to the
trailing edges. It was easy to keep the waterlines oriented correctly. When
the tops and bottoms of the forms engaged the airfoils, I would mark the
necessary shape modifications with a pencil. Using a motor tool and a
sanding drum, I would enlarge the openings as required. Eventually, I was
able to slide the forms to the 48.8 positions on the wing and canard.

Since the tops of the forms were parallel with the waterlines, it was easy to
determine if the angles were the same by using a level. I my case, the wing
and canard proved to be at exactly the same angle. This suited me all right,
although some builders believe that the canard should be angled upward
slightly (1 -2 degrees) relative to the wing.

This procedure worked fine for me because I'm building a Tri-Q-200. If
you're working with a tail dragger, you would need to slice the canard form
from the trailing edge to the edge of the form. The form would be slipped on
inside of the wheel pant and then rejoined with duct tape.

Al Medley
almedley@...


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Re: Aerobatics

terry.l.sickler@...
 

No problem, Mike. Just wanted to keep the rookies in the clear. I haven't
mastered the "Lumchevak", "Checkoslavak" (or how ever you spell it) myself.
I am getting a little Christian Eagle time. Wouldn't even think of something
like that in a Q. I know only one truly insane test pilot type who HAS done
a tail slide in a Q-200, but it scared him so bad he refuses even minor acro
in a Q now. The thought the good olde FAA considers a 90 degree bank acro!
~T~

-----Original Message-----
From: MBROWNER1@... [SMTP:MBROWNER1@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:22 PM
To: QBA@...
Subject: Re: Aerobatics

T,
Of course, you are right.....I was just looking at the Friendly Aviation
Ass'n def of aero. Still trying to figure out how to snap roll a
Q.....KIDDING...cheeze. I would feel bad if sombody thought they could do

one of those unspellable manuvers that starts with an "L".

MB

PS My laptop is still SNAFU. Borrowing


Re: Aerobatics

Ted VanMeter <tvanmeter@...>
 

Terry, I had a partner that used to do hammerheads in an Onan powered Q1,
and all this at low level. On day he almost killed himself doing one, as
opposed to all the other times, and just got back elevator authority in time
to level off at 50 feet. He was finally convinced he didn't need to be doing
any of that anymore. Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: terry.l.sickler@... <terry.l.sickler@...>
To: Q-LIST@... <Q-LIST@...>
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 12:39 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] RE: Aerobatics


No problem, Mike. Just wanted to keep the rookies in the clear. I haven't
mastered the "Lumchevak", "Checkoslavak" (or how ever you spell it) myself.
I am getting a little Christian Eagle time. Wouldn't even think of
something
like that in a Q. I know only one truly insane test pilot type who HAS done
a tail slide in a Q-200, but it scared him so bad he refuses even minor
acro
in a Q now. The thought the good olde FAA considers a 90 degree bank acro!
~T~

-----Original Message-----
From: MBROWNER1@... [SMTP:MBROWNER1@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 1:22 PM
To: QBA@...
Subject: Re: Aerobatics

T,
Of course, you are right.....I was just looking at the Friendly Aviation
Ass'n def of aero. Still trying to figure out how to snap roll a
Q.....KIDDING...cheeze. I would feel bad if sombody thought they could
do

one of those unspellable manuvers that starts with an "L".

MB

PS My laptop is still SNAFU. Borrowing



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Re: Aerobatics

Dave King <KingDWS@...>
 

At 05:15 PM 8/10/00 -0700, you wrote:
Terry, I had a partner that used to do hammerheads in an Onan powered Q1,
and all this at low level. On day he almost killed himself doing one, as
opposed to all the other times, and just got back elevator authority in time
to level off at 50 feet. He was finally convinced he didn't need to be doing
any of that anymore. Ted
With a Onan??? Its comments like this that make me realize just how
perfectly, normally boringly, middle of the line sane I am, (when I rem to
take my meds).

Your friend have an idea of his roll rate or breakout force?

Dave


Dragonfly for sale

Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
 

By the way...
It's still for sale:

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/Dragonfly/ForSale.html

Pat


Re: Engine Replacement

HawkiDoug@...
 

In a message dated 8/11/00 1:12:36 PM Central Daylight Time,
panzera@... writes:

<< Are you thinking about making your header tank
> larger since you don't need the room for the mag
> box?

If I were building from scratch, perhaps.
But since it's already installed, no way. :)

Pat >>
If some one was considering a bigger header tank, they would need to consider
the effects it would have on W&B. My 2 cents worth.

Doug "Hawkeye" Humble
Omaha NE


Re: Aerobatics

Ted VanMeter <tvanmeter@...>
 

Maybe I was being a little generous when I said hammerhead. He said he would
dive it for speed at full throttle and then pull up and kick the rudder with
just enough speed and thrust to get the nose pointing the other direction.
He was very young at the time!

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave King <KingDWS@...>
To: Q-LIST@... <Q-LIST@...>
Date: Thursday, August 10, 2000 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] RE: Aerobatics


At 05:15 PM 8/10/00 -0700, you wrote:
Terry, I had a partner that used to do hammerheads in an Onan powered Q1,
and all this at low level. On day he almost killed himself doing one, as
opposed to all the other times, and just got back elevator authority in
time
to level off at 50 feet. He was finally convinced he didn't need to be
doing
any of that anymore. Ted
With a Onan??? Its comments like this that make me realize just how
perfectly, normally boringly, middle of the line sane I am, (when I rem to
take my meds).

Your friend have an idea of his roll rate or breakout force?

Dave




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Engine Replacement

Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
 

By the way, I've started on the engine mount and have
confirmed that only the ring gear and the starter's snout
has to be recessed into the firewall. So the "mag box" is
going to be about 1.5" deep, and 12" in diameter. This means
that anyone considering the removal of a VW from a Q2, and
the installation of a Corvair engine, won't have to remove and
shorten the header tank like on an 0-200.

http://www.angelfire.com/ca6/kodachrome/images/LaVerne/DCP00526.JPG

Pat


Re: Engine Replacement

Dave Richardson <dave@...>
 

Are you thinking about making your header tank
larger since you don't need the room for the mag
box?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Panzera" <panzera@...>
To: "Q-List" <q-list@...>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Engine Replacement


By the way, I've started on the engine mount and have
confirmed that only the ring gear and the starter's snout
has to be recessed into the firewall. So the "mag box" is
going to be about 1.5" deep, and 12" in diameter. This means
that anyone considering the removal of a VW from a Q2, and
the installation of a Corvair engine, won't have to remove and
shorten the header tank like on an 0-200.

http://www.angelfire.com/ca6/kodachrome/images/LaVerne/DCP00526.JPG

Pat




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Re: Dragonfly for sale

Jordan Funk <jordan@...>
 

Gentlemen:
Where can I obtain information regarding conversion of a Q1 to a Rotax 503?
Is there any literature available, especially anthing regarding performance
capabilities with this engine. Also, would any of you Q1 owners care to
express an opinion regarding the feasibility/desirability of an HKS 700
engine in a Q1?

Thanks,

Jordan

http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/Dragonfly/ForSale.html

Pat



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