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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Oh, btw the plane has an LS1 canard and typically flown from sea level 495’ msl airport. Do not try this with a GU canard!
Jim N46JP
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Hi Jim,
Did not want to mention you by name, but I figured you would pipe up. 😊
By the way, Are your cylinders chromed?
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:55 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Joe,
N46JP has a 740 lb. empty weight and 1325 lb. gross weight which I established during flight tests.
It has an O200 that has been been pumped up from 6:7.1 to 9:4.1 with ceramic coated Lycon pistons and polished, ported and flow balanced Millinum cylinders. The plane has dual Lightspeed Plasma III ignitions, (no mags) and a reflexor which balances loads in flight. Engine has a 4 into 1 ceramic coated exhaust.
The plane has a 15 gallon main tank, 5 gallon header tank and removable 6.5 gallon Aux tank for long cross country trips.
When the plane is loaded to gross, the cg shifts full aft to the rear of the envelope, making the plane very light on the controls. On a long cross country I typically burn off about 30 minutes of fuel, then start transferring fuel from the Aux tank in the storage area behind the pax to the main tank. The cg moves forward and the control feel returns to normal.Hope that clears it up for you.
Jim N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Joe,
N46JP has a 740 lb. empty weight and 1325 lb. gross weight which I established during flight tests.
It has an O200 that has been been pumped up from 6:7.1 to 9:4.1 with ceramic coated Lycon pistons and polished, ported and flow balanced Millinum cylinders. The plane has dual Lightspeed Plasma III ignitions, (no mags) and a reflexor
which balances loads in flight. Engine has a 4 into 1 ceramic coated exhaust.
The plane has a 15 gallon main tank, 5 gallon header tank and removable 6.5 gallon Aux tank for long cross country trips.
When the plane is loaded to gross, the cg shifts full aft to the rear of the envelope, making the plane very light on the controls. On a long cross country I typically burn off about 30 minutes of fuel, then start transferring fuel
from the Aux tank in the storage area behind the pax to the main tank. The cg moves forward and the control feel returns to normal.Hope that clears it up for you.
Jim
N46JP Q200
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 7:13:54 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of
Joe Hood
Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Joe Hood
Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Martin Skiby
Joe I believe you mean Gross weight not useful.
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On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Mike Dwyer
On what Planet? The Moon has way less gravity but has a problem with atmosphere... The Q200 factory spec was 1100 Lbs Gross on the Q200. The Q2 factory spec was 1000 lbs Gross. Each builder can set his own gross weight based on testing. I've flown my Q200 at sea level just fine at 1100lbs but at Denver I think I'd be real careful about that. It's way more fun to fly under 900 lbs! Mine is 640 empty, add me 175lb, add 10 gal fuel = 60lb and some oil 9lbs. Sea level 59F gives you a 700 foot takeoff, 1500FPM climb and 210 mph. I got to lose some weight! Fly Safe.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:04 PM Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote: 1325 lbs useful load on the Q200, 1100 lbs on the Q2?
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Kevin Boddicker
Depends if you are in YOUR plane, OR MINE!!!
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Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 506 hrs Luana, IA.
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Am I classified as useful load or useless load, Kevin? Cheers, Jay Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote: Gross weight. Not useful load.
Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 506 hrs Luana, IA.
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Typical useful load is ~565lbs.
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Also, anyone else think the short final speed was a tad high? Corbin
On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Kevin Boddicker
Gross weight. Not useful load.
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Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 506 hrs Luana, IA.
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Joe Hood
1325 lbs useful load on the Q200, 1100 lbs on the Q2?
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Re: Perils of Cylinder Work
Thanks Sam.
Sent from Outer Space
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 1:33:25 PM To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] Perils of Cylinder Work Jim, thanks for posting that video, it was very informative. Anyone who might pull a cylinder should spend the hour watching it.
Sam
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 11:04 AM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
https://youtu.be/3-3pkRLqoGw
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Re: Perils of Cylinder Work
Jim, thanks for posting that video, it was very informative. Anyone who might pull a cylinder should spend the hour watching it. Sam
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 11:04 AM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote: https://youtu.be/3-3pkRLqoGw
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Re: 0200 engine baffles
Kevin Sheely was gracious enough to give me all the 0200 new baffles I needed except for the pax side front baffle ( the one below the split line right side near prop). One more shout out, does anyone have that baffle? I can make it but would rather find one. Thanks again Kevin. You Florida boys are great!
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Re: Perils of Cylinder Work
Phil Lankford
Enjoyed that.
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On Apr 11, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@msn.com> wrote:
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Re: Panel Dimensions for Q200
That would work, but the knobs, avionics pop-outs, etc will make the paper wider than in real life. Just sent an alternative approach that limits this distortion.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Take a big piece of paper and mask it over your existing panel to create a template and take it from there.
Sam
On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 11:19 AM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Panel Dimensions for Q200
Hi Corbin,
There was a template in the Q2 plans. That said, I doubt that anyone’s panel actually matches that, since that is the most likely place in the plane for the builder to “leave his own signature”. I would suggest getting some thin poster poster board and cutting it into 1” wide strips, following the general curve of the perimeter of the panel, then taping these, end to end with masking tape that laps over the angle between the panel and the fuselage, or just follows the panel if it does not intersect the fuselage. By cutting carefully with a razor knife along the tape in the corner where it joins laps onto the fuselage, you will have the shape/curve of the panel. Then lay it on a table and measure the bottom of the panel width, then put another piece of posterboard across the bottom to make sure the bottom of the panel is the same width. This should give you a good shape to work with. Good luck.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:19 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: [Q-List] Panel Dimensions for Q200
Does anyone have the dimensions for the panel; assuming there is a standard? Or a clever way of measuring without taking it out? I would like to start planning an avionics upgrade...slowly.
Corbin
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Re: Panel Dimensions for Q200
Take a big piece of paper and mask it over your existing panel to create a template and take it from there. Sam
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Re: Flight Report
Kevin Boddicker
Mike,
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Fan-damn-tastic! Tree top flyer is one of my favorite songs. Don’t know who did the cover, but it was the best cover of that song I’ve heard! Ohh, the flying was good too!!!! Stay well.
Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B 506 hrs Luana, IA.
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