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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jim Patillo
 

Oh, btw the plane has an LS1 canard and typically flown from sea level 495’ msl airport. Do not try this with a GU canard!

Jim 
N46JP


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Jim,

 

Did not want to mention you by name, but I figured you would pipe up.   😊

 

By the way, Are your cylinders chromed?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:55 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Joe,

 

N46JP has a 740 lb. empty weight and 1325 lb. gross weight which I established during flight tests.

 

It has an O200 that has been been pumped up from 6:7.1 to 9:4.1 with ceramic coated Lycon pistons and polished, ported and flow balanced Millinum cylinders. The plane has dual Lightspeed Plasma III ignitions, (no mags) and a reflexor which balances loads in flight. Engine has a 4 into 1 ceramic coated exhaust.

 

The plane has a 15 gallon main tank, 5 gallon header tank and removable 6.5 gallon Aux tank for long cross country trips.

 

When the plane is loaded to gross, the cg shifts full aft to the rear of the envelope, making the plane very light on the controls. On a long cross country I typically burn off about 30 minutes of fuel, then start transferring fuel from the Aux  tank in the storage area behind the pax to the main tank. The cg moves forward and the control feel returns to normal.Hope that clears it up for you.

 

Jim

N46JP Q200

 

 

 


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 7:13:54 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jim Patillo
 

Joe,

N46JP has a 740 lb. empty weight and 1325 lb. gross weight which I established during flight tests.

It has an O200 that has been been pumped up from 6:7.1 to 9:4.1 with ceramic coated Lycon pistons and polished, ported and flow balanced Millinum cylinders. The plane has dual Lightspeed Plasma III ignitions, (no mags) and a reflexor which balances loads in flight. Engine has a 4 into 1 ceramic coated exhaust.

The plane has a 15 gallon main tank, 5 gallon header tank and removable 6.5 gallon Aux tank for long cross country trips.

When the plane is loaded to gross, the cg shifts full aft to the rear of the envelope, making the plane very light on the controls. On a long cross country I typically burn off about 30 minutes of fuel, then start transferring fuel from the Aux  tank in the storage area behind the pax to the main tank. The cg moves forward and the control feel returns to normal.Hope that clears it up for you.

Jim
N46JP Q200




From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 7:13:54 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Joe Hood
 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Martin Skiby
 

Joe I believe you mean Gross weight not useful.

Martin

 


On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:

1325 lbs useful load on the Q200, 1100 lbs on the Q2?


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Mike Dwyer
 

On what Planet?  The Moon has way less gravity but has a problem with atmosphere...

The Q200 factory spec was 1100 Lbs Gross on the Q200.
The Q2 factory spec was 1000 lbs Gross.

Each builder can set his own gross weight based on testing.  I've flown my Q200 at sea level just fine at 1100lbs but at Denver I think I'd be real careful about that.  It's way more fun to fly under 900 lbs!  Mine is 640 empty, add me 175lb, add 10 gal fuel = 60lb and some oil 9lbs.  Sea level 59F gives you a 700 foot takeoff, 1500FPM climb and 210 mph.   I got to lose some weight!

Fly Safe.

Mike Dwyer Q200 N3QP

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 5:04 PM Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:
1325 lbs useful load on the Q200, 1100 lbs on the Q2?


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Kevin Boddicker
 

Depends if you are in YOUR plane, OR MINE!!!


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   506 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Apr 12, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Am I classified as useful load or useless load, Kevin?

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Gross weight. Not useful load.



Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   506 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:

1325 lbs useful load on the Q200, 1100 lbs on the Q2?



Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

Am I classified as useful load or useless load, Kevin?

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Gross weight. Not useful load.



Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   506 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:

1325 lbs useful load on the Q200, 1100 lbs on the Q2?


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Corbin
 

Typical useful load is ~565lbs.

Also, anyone else think the short final speed was a tad high?

Corbin

On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

Gross weight. Not useful load.



Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   506 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:

1325 lbs useful load on the Q200, 1100 lbs on the Q2?


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Corbin 
N33QR


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Kevin Boddicker
 

Gross weight. Not useful load.



Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   506 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:04 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:

1325 lbs useful load on the Q200, 1100 lbs on the Q2?


Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Joe Hood
 

1325 lbs useful load on the Q200, 1100 lbs on the Q2?


Re: Perils of Cylinder Work

Jim Patillo
 

Thanks Sam.

Sent from Outer Space


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 1:33:25 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Perils of Cylinder Work
 
Jim, thanks for posting that video, it was very informative. Anyone who might pull a cylinder should spend the hour watching it.

Sam

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 11:04 AM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
https://youtu.be/3-3pkRLqoGw

To Sam’s point about removing/replacing cylinders;
I would like to share an excellent podcast from Mike Busch, well known A&P. I think this will clear it up.

Jim
N46JP Q200
Sent from Outer Space



Re: Perils of Cylinder Work

Sam Hoskins
 

Jim, thanks for posting that video, it was very informative. Anyone who might pull a cylinder should spend the hour watching it.

Sam

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 11:04 AM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
https://youtu.be/3-3pkRLqoGw

To Sam’s point about removing/replacing cylinders;
I would like to share an excellent podcast from Mike Busch, well known A&P. I think this will clear it up.

Jim
N46JP Q200
Sent from Outer Space



Re: 0200 engine baffles

Jim Patillo
 

Kevin Sheely was gracious enough to give me all the 0200 new baffles I needed except for the pax side front baffle ( the one below the split line right side near prop). One more shout out, does anyone have that baffle? I can make it but would rather find one. Thanks again Kevin. You Florida boys are great!

Jim
N46JP Q200


Re: Perils of Cylinder Work

Phil Lankford
 

Enjoyed that.

On Apr 11, 2020, at 9:04 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@msn.com> wrote:

https://youtu.be/3-3pkRLqoGw

To Sam’s point about removing/replacing cylinders;
I would like to share an excellent podcast from Mike Busch, well known A&P. I think this will clear it up.

Jim
N46JP Q200
Sent from Outer Space


Re: Panel Dimensions for Q200

Jay Scheevel
 

That would work, but the knobs, avionics pop-outs, etc will make the paper wider than in real life. Just sent an alternative approach that limits this distortion.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:56 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Panel Dimensions for Q200

 

Take a big piece of paper and mask it over your existing panel to create a template and take it from there.

 

Sam 

 

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 11:19 AM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:

Does anyone have the dimensions for the panel; assuming there is a standard?  Or a clever way of measuring without taking it out?  I would like to start planning an avionics  upgrade...slowly.

 

Corbin


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Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Panel Dimensions for Q200

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Corbin,

 

There was a template in the Q2 plans. That said, I doubt that anyone’s panel actually matches that, since that is the most likely place in the plane for the builder to “leave his own signature”.  I would suggest getting some thin poster poster board and cutting it into 1” wide strips, following the general curve of the perimeter of the panel, then taping these, end to end with masking tape that laps over the angle between the panel and the fuselage, or just follows the panel if it does not intersect the fuselage. By cutting carefully with a razor knife along the tape in the corner where it joins laps onto the fuselage, you will have the shape/curve of the panel. Then lay it on a table and measure the bottom of the panel width, then put another piece of posterboard across the bottom to make sure the bottom of the panel is the same width. This should give you a good shape to work with. Good luck.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: [Q-List] Panel Dimensions for Q200

 

Does anyone have the dimensions for the panel; assuming there is a standard?  Or a clever way of measuring without taking it out?  I would like to start planning an avionics  upgrade...slowly.

 

Corbin


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Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Panel Dimensions for Q200

Sam Hoskins
 

Take a big piece of paper and mask it over your existing panel to create a template and take it from there.

Sam 

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 11:19 AM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Does anyone have the dimensions for the panel; assuming there is a standard?  Or a clever way of measuring without taking it out?  I would like to start planning an avionics  upgrade...slowly.

Corbin

--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Flight Report

Kevin Boddicker
 

Mike,
Fan-damn-tastic!
Tree top flyer is one of my favorite songs. Don’t know who did the cover, but it was the best cover of that song I’ve heard!
Ohh, the flying was good too!!!!

Stay well.


Kevin Boddicker
TriQ 200 N7868B   506 hrs
Luana, IA.



On Apr 7, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

Wow. it's been a while sense last flying.  Our local airport closed RWY 9-27.  I guess they didn't want to re-pave it.  I kinda hated that runway anyway...  But then they decided to pave the intersecting end where the last two runways were.  Then they closed the good runway 4-22 and left all the Training flights, Air Carriers, Coast Guard choppers and C130's to fight it out.  The ground controllers have aged 10 years.  The tower folks are doing fine, just keep em circling!  

Then came COVID!  At least aviation is critical.  But what happened is COVID grounded most of the air carriers.  It might have really slowed down the coast guard also as I didn't see any of them at the airport.  I'd say we are back to the traffic count from 1980.

So planning on a long and hot taxi I fired up the Q200.  Luckily they were using RWY 36 so that's my shortest taxi.  No 3 min wake turbulence delays!  Got right off.  Flew about an hour, all the way down our beaches from Tarpon Springs FL to Egmont Key.  Our beaches are closed.  So from the water to the high tide line is the only place people can be.  How did these people get on the beach?  Some took boats, that's ok.  Most cheated the system.

Anyway a beautiful day for aviating, 80F, clear sky, 7K cross wind.  Check out the video I shot.  Unfortunately most of the video was shot pointing into the sun which kinda wrecks it.  And my front camera died pretty early so it didn't get the landing...  Still I needed proof.  I took out the parts the feds might not have liked 😬  

Get your Q done while your on Furlough!

Mike Dwyer


YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF

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