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Q2 Project

Eugen Pilarski
 

Here we go and a long way start.........

Re: video from OSH 2005

 

Thanks Jay!,
My son and I (Drew) also were at Oshkosh 2005. He was my co pilot in a club 172 I was in in the Nashville area. I remember both of us walking around space ship 1. Didn’t know anyone there to get the special treatment though. My son was 21. First beer drinking trip for us. Camped in the north 40.
Probably walked past each other a couple of times .
Good memories!
Thanks

MikeQ200wannabe 


On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    Thanks Jay.

Rich T

On 22/04/2020 18:56, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Hi Guys,

 

I was going through some DVD’s that I created a number of years ago and I dug up one that I made in 2005 and had forgotten about. It is excerpted from video and photos I took when I went with my oldest son, Thomas. He was 12 at the time, and it was a wonderful trip for both of us. A number of circumstances conspired to create a circumstance that made it extra special for us. None of these did we know about in advance of planning our trip….it just happened. The list is follows:

 

  1. Scaled/Rutan brought White Knight, Spaceship One, and the Global Flyer to the show.

 

  1. Burt also brought a large number of Scaled employees to OSH.

 

  1. Chris Weiser was one of the ones who came to OSH with Burt. He is a mechanical engineer who worked for Burt for 20 years. He is also the nephew of a family friend here in Grand Junction (his aunt taught both of my boys 3rd grade).

 

  1. We had previously met Chris at his Aunt’s house where he gave Thomas a Voyager pin that had flown to space on the first Spaceship One suborbital flight.

 

  1. When we were “outside the rope” looking White Knight and Spaceship One and taking in the afternoon airshow, Chris happened to see us and brought us inside of the security for a personal tour.

 

As a result of all of these things happening, my son now has his fingerprints on the nose of Spaceship One that is hanging in the Smithsonian…. Since that was the next stop after OSH 2005

 

I had forgotten that I put this DVD together and sent a copy to Chris Weiser as a thank you. He retired from Scaled the next year. I have converted the DVD (26 minutes into an online video and put it on my website. Here is the link to the video, so you can watch it if you want. There is the usual menacing Oshkosh thunderstorm, where you will see our tent where we camped next to my old Cherokee. There is also a nice intro by Paul Allen in the evening program. Paul Allen passed away last year, but went on to start the Stratolaunch program after this and Matthew Curcio now works on that project. The photo montage in the last 1/3 of the video contains a nice photo of my son standing in front of Bob Malechek’s beautiful Q200.  Hope you enjoy watching.

 

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/videos/OSH_2005_Thomas.mp4

 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

Re: video from OSH 2005

Richard Thomson
 

    Thanks Jay.

Rich T

On 22/04/2020 18:56, Jay Scheevel wrote:

Hi Guys,

 

I was going through some DVD’s that I created a number of years ago and I dug up one that I made in 2005 and had forgotten about. It is excerpted from video and photos I took when I went with my oldest son, Thomas. He was 12 at the time, and it was a wonderful trip for both of us. A number of circumstances conspired to create a circumstance that made it extra special for us. None of these did we know about in advance of planning our trip….it just happened. The list is follows:

 

  1. Scaled/Rutan brought White Knight, Spaceship One, and the Global Flyer to the show.

 

  1. Burt also brought a large number of Scaled employees to OSH.

 

  1. Chris Weiser was one of the ones who came to OSH with Burt. He is a mechanical engineer who worked for Burt for 20 years. He is also the nephew of a family friend here in Grand Junction (his aunt taught both of my boys 3rd grade).

 

  1. We had previously met Chris at his Aunt’s house where he gave Thomas a Voyager pin that had flown to space on the first Spaceship One suborbital flight.

 

  1. When we were “outside the rope” looking White Knight and Spaceship One and taking in the afternoon airshow, Chris happened to see us and brought us inside of the security for a personal tour.

 

As a result of all of these things happening, my son now has his fingerprints on the nose of Spaceship One that is hanging in the Smithsonian…. Since that was the next stop after OSH 2005

 

I had forgotten that I put this DVD together and sent a copy to Chris Weiser as a thank you. He retired from Scaled the next year. I have converted the DVD (26 minutes into an online video and put it on my website. Here is the link to the video, so you can watch it if you want. There is the usual menacing Oshkosh thunderstorm, where you will see our tent where we camped next to my old Cherokee. There is also a nice intro by Paul Allen in the evening program. Paul Allen passed away last year, but went on to start the Stratolaunch program after this and Matthew Curcio now works on that project. The photo montage in the last 1/3 of the video contains a nice photo of my son standing in front of Bob Malechek’s beautiful Q200.  Hope you enjoy watching.

 

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/videos/OSH_2005_Thomas.mp4

 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

Re: video from OSH 2005

Mike Dwyer
 

That Space Ship One is so weird, i love it.  Thanks for posting the video and the memories!  Too bad it died with the Space Tourism group.

A SpaceX Falcon 9 is launching in 20 min.  I could see shuttle launches from my back yard but the SpaceX are so small it's hard to catch them in the day time.  The Falcon Heavy is a hoot when two boosters come back supersonic, with a boom, and land!

And the big event is May 27, 2020 4:32 PM EDT when they will launch crew to the Space Station.  I might fly over to see that one, it will be historic.

Fly Safe,

Mike Dwyer

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:57 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

 

I was going through some DVD’s that I created a number of years ago and I dug up one that I made in 2005 and had forgotten about. It is excerpted from video and photos I took when I went with my oldest son, Thomas. He was 12 at the time, and it was a wonderful trip for both of us. A number of circumstances conspired to create a circumstance that made it extra special for us. None of these did we know about in advance of planning our trip….it just happened. The list is follows:

 

  1. Scaled/Rutan brought White Knight, Spaceship One, and the Global Flyer to the show.

 

  1. Burt also brought a large number of Scaled employees to OSH.

 

  1. Chris Weiser was one of the ones who came to OSH with Burt. He is a mechanical engineer who worked for Burt for 20 years. He is also the nephew of a family friend here in Grand Junction (his aunt taught both of my boys 3rd grade).

 

  1. We had previously met Chris at his Aunt’s house where he gave Thomas a Voyager pin that had flown to space on the first Spaceship One suborbital flight.

 

  1. When we were “outside the rope” looking White Knight and Spaceship One and taking in the afternoon airshow, Chris happened to see us and brought us inside of the security for a personal tour.

 

As a result of all of these things happening, my son now has his fingerprints on the nose of Spaceship One that is hanging in the Smithsonian…. Since that was the next stop after OSH 2005

 

I had forgotten that I put this DVD together and sent a copy to Chris Weiser as a thank you. He retired from Scaled the next year. I have converted the DVD (26 minutes into an online video and put it on my website. Here is the link to the video, so you can watch it if you want. There is the usual menacing Oshkosh thunderstorm, where you will see our tent where we camped next to my old Cherokee. There is also a nice intro by Paul Allen in the evening program. Paul Allen passed away last year, but went on to start the Stratolaunch program after this and Matthew Curcio now works on that project. The photo montage in the last 1/3 of the video contains a nice photo of my son standing in front of Bob Malechek’s beautiful Q200.  Hope you enjoy watching.

 

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/videos/OSH_2005_Thomas.mp4

 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

video from OSH 2005

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Guys,

 

I was going through some DVD’s that I created a number of years ago and I dug up one that I made in 2005 and had forgotten about. It is excerpted from video and photos I took when I went with my oldest son, Thomas. He was 12 at the time, and it was a wonderful trip for both of us. A number of circumstances conspired to create a circumstance that made it extra special for us. None of these did we know about in advance of planning our trip….it just happened. The list is follows:

 

  1. Scaled/Rutan brought White Knight, Spaceship One, and the Global Flyer to the show.

 

  1. Burt also brought a large number of Scaled employees to OSH.

 

  1. Chris Weiser was one of the ones who came to OSH with Burt. He is a mechanical engineer who worked for Burt for 20 years. He is also the nephew of a family friend here in Grand Junction (his aunt taught both of my boys 3rd grade).

 

  1. We had previously met Chris at his Aunt’s house where he gave Thomas a Voyager pin that had flown to space on the first Spaceship One suborbital flight.

 

  1. When we were “outside the rope” looking White Knight and Spaceship One and taking in the afternoon airshow, Chris happened to see us and brought us inside of the security for a personal tour.

 

As a result of all of these things happening, my son now has his fingerprints on the nose of Spaceship One that is hanging in the Smithsonian…. Since that was the next stop after OSH 2005

 

I had forgotten that I put this DVD together and sent a copy to Chris Weiser as a thank you. He retired from Scaled the next year. I have converted the DVD (26 minutes into an online video and put it on my website. Here is the link to the video, so you can watch it if you want. There is the usual menacing Oshkosh thunderstorm, where you will see our tent where we camped next to my old Cherokee. There is also a nice intro by Paul Allen in the evening program. Paul Allen passed away last year, but went on to start the Stratolaunch program after this and Matthew Curcio now works on that project. The photo montage in the last 1/3 of the video contains a nice photo of my son standing in front of Bob Malechek’s beautiful Q200.  Hope you enjoy watching.

 

http://n8wq.scheevel.com/videos/OSH_2005_Thomas.mp4

 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

 

Re: Auburn, Ca Mayor killed in airplane crash yesterday.

JMasal@...
 

Fly safe and not stupid...or lazy...or overconfident. It ain't a car.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...>
To: main <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Apr 19, 2020 10:21 am
Subject: [Q-List] Auburn, Ca Mayor killed in airplane crash yesterday.

Our local mayor was killed and one injured yesterday
off RWY25 right crosswind to downwind. No details yet but this will be the 4th crash at the Auburn Airport 
in a year. Problem is there’s no good place to land within 3-4 miles from the runway with engine issues. Rolling, sloping hills and LOTS of large oak and pine trees.

If you look KAUN airport you can see the only good spot is a small lake off the left side of RWY25, 
The first two crashes were at the runway, no fatals, the 3rd a couple weeks ago (two long time resident pilots) stall left crosswind RWY 07, both fatal, and yesterday one fatal and one injured. Details to follow. 

Fly safe guys!

Jim,
N46JP Q200



Re: Auburn, Ca Mayor killed in airplane crash yesterday.

 

Sorry to hear Jim!  How was the weather and what type airplane?
It’s never a good time to hear about such things!

MikeQ200wannabe 


On Apr 19, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Keith Welsh <klw494@...> wrote:


Sorry for your losses, it's tough loosing people you know to soon.
I read the news this AM.  Seems like he was a really nice guy.

Keith
N494K

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:21 AM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Our local mayor was killed and one injured yesterday
off RWY25 right crosswind to downwind. No details yet but this will be the 4th crash at the Auburn Airport 
in a year. Problem is there’s no good place to land within 3-4 miles from the runway with engine issues. Rolling, sloping hills and LOTS of large oak and pine trees.

If you look KAUN airport you can see the only good spot is a small lake off the left side of RWY25, 

The first two crashes were at the runway, no fatals, the 3rd a couple weeks ago (two long time resident pilots) stall left crosswind RWY 07, both fatal, and yesterday one fatal and one injured. Details to follow. 

Fly safe guys!

Jim,
N46JP Q200




Re: Auburn, Ca Mayor killed in airplane crash yesterday.

 

Sorry for your losses, it's tough loosing people you know to soon.
I read the news this AM.  Seems like he was a really nice guy.

Keith
N494K


On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 11:21 AM Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Our local mayor was killed and one injured yesterday
off RWY25 right crosswind to downwind. No details yet but this will be the 4th crash at the Auburn Airport 
in a year. Problem is there’s no good place to land within 3-4 miles from the runway with engine issues. Rolling, sloping hills and LOTS of large oak and pine trees.

If you look KAUN airport you can see the only good spot is a small lake off the left side of RWY25, 

The first two crashes were at the runway, no fatals, the 3rd a couple weeks ago (two long time resident pilots) stall left crosswind RWY 07, both fatal, and yesterday one fatal and one injured. Details to follow. 

Fly safe guys!

Jim,
N46JP Q200




Auburn, Ca Mayor killed in airplane crash yesterday.

Jim Patillo
 

Our local mayor was killed and one injured yesterday
off RWY25 right crosswind to downwind. No details yet but this will be the 4th crash at the Auburn Airport 
in a year. Problem is there’s no good place to land within 3-4 miles from the runway with engine issues. Rolling, sloping hills and LOTS of large oak and pine trees.

If you look KAUN airport you can see the only good spot is a small lake off the left side of RWY25, 

The first two crashes were at the runway, no fatals, the 3rd a couple weeks ago (two long time resident pilots) stall left crosswind RWY 07, both fatal, and yesterday one fatal and one injured. Details to follow. 

Fly safe guys!

Jim,
N46JP Q200




Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Bruce Crain
 

Leaves a presenting target for “Diabolo”!
B


On Apr 16, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:


Be ware, there are some things you can't unsee!!!!


On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Photos available upon request.
JM

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/16/20 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Charlie,

 

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Rich,

 

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

 

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

 

Fly in comfort,

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

 

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

 

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce



On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Richard Thomson
 

    Yes its ankle angle thats a killer for me too, and have been experimenting with cable length to try and get the most comfortable pedal position during several hours of "Cockpit Familiarisation".

    I managed to get my elbow behind my head during the under panel activities, but obviously not as supple as Jay yet. In fact, do not believe I have ever been that good a contortionist  !!!

Rich T.

On 16/04/2020 15:48, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

One Sky Dog


On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Kevin Boddicker
 

Be ware, there are some things you can't unsee!!!!


On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Photos available upon request.
JM

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/16/20 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Charlie,

 

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Rich,

 

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

 

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

 

Fly in comfort,

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

 

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

 

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce



On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jerry Marstall
 

Photos available upon request.
JM

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/16/20 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Charlie,

 

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Rich,

 

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

 

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

 

Fly in comfort,

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

 

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

 

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce



On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Charlie,

 

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Rich,

 

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

 

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

 

Fly in comfort,

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

 

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

 

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce



On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

One Sky Dog
 

Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Richard Thomson
 

    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

One Sky Dog
 

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Bruce Crain
 

There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Corbin
 

Brilliant.....now researching foam options and might even could put in the foam from previous seat.  Love this group.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 11:49 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.




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Corbin 
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Re: KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Rik
 

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.