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Re: Help, Bruce

John Hoxie
 

I tried sending Dave an email, but it failed. Mine is hoxdesigns@... & is in the directory. Perhaps you can let Dave see this.


On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:39 PM, Bruce Crain
<jcrain2@...> wrote:
Did John and Dave get together yet?
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Dave Dugas via groups.io" <davedq2@...>
To: "main@Q-List.groups.io" <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Help, Bruce
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:25:35 +0000 (UTC)

Hi John
I still have some tail spring material. Email me and I will help you out.
Dave D

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 AM, John Hoxie via groups.io
<hoxdesigns@...> wrote:
Bruce, at Field of dreams, Dave Dougas shared he had some tailspring material he would sell me. I can't find contact info for him. There are only 18 people in the registry.

Re: Help, Bruce

Bruce Crain
 

Did John and Dave get together yet?
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Dave Dugas via groups.io" <davedq2@...>
To: "main@Q-List.groups.io" <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Help, Bruce
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:25:35 +0000 (UTC)

Hi John

I still have some tail spring material. Email me and I will help you out.
Dave D

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 AM, John Hoxie via groups.io
<hoxdesigns@...> wrote:
Bruce, at Field of dreams, Dave Dougas shared he had some tailspring material he would sell me. I can't find contact info for him. There are only 18 people in the registry.

Re: Watch “Dr. Steve’s first solo flight in his Q2 - 1989” on Vimeo

Dorothea Keats
 

I have watched  Dr Steve flight several times. Each time I get anxious and can feel my stomach churn.

 I can empathize with him as I have had some interesting experiences.

Watching the video, I applaud Dr Steve for not giving up and learning every time he goes around.

 If you do the right thing , that's great, if you do the wrong thing, you will soon learn to do the right thing, and if you do nothing, you are wasting your time.

  Although video distorts a lot, it appears as if he is always high, tries to get it down and gets too much speed and then can't slow down to land.

 He obviously learned and flew many hrs. It's a great video.------------  Chris



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Re: Watch “Dr. Steve’s first solo flight in his Q2 - 1989” on Vimeo

David Cyr
 

Lachute Airport    https://skyvector.com/airport/CSE4/Lachute-Airport
Dimensions:3989 x 100 feet.
Surface: asphalt
Remarks Runway 10 Runway 28 Runway
Heading:101°281°
Displaced Threshold: 895 feet 210 feet

Re: Q1 Project

Tristan Vincent-Philpot
 

Zero motorcycles powertrain. 2014 SR model. 11.4kWh Battery, BMS, 67hp motor, controller, ‘Throttle’, display, etc. The powertrain wont know it’s not in a motorcycle.

Started the research for Project SQuERTA (Facebook page) back in 2014, bought the Q1 minus FWF in 2016, bought the motorcycle in 2018, spent nearly two years out of the country. Now back and hoping to make progress later this year. In the meantime other people have overtaken and are blazing a trail. I wish them the very best of luck. Someone needs to reach the finish line and demonstrate what can be done.

Stalled for lack of cash/other priorities, but definitely still on the to-do list.

Tristan

On Apr 9, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Keith Welsh <klw494@...> wrote:

Just curious, could you tell us a little about the engine?

Re: Q1 Project

Martin Skiby
 

Keith,

My son is looking at installing a Pegasus 0100 in a Q1.  The engine is a completely engineered two cylinder engine that uses an 0200 accessory case and jugs.



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From: "Keith Welsh"
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Thursday April 9 2020 12:12:32PM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q1 Project

Just curious, could you tell us a little about the engine?

Re: Q1 Project

 

Just curious, could you tell us a little about the engine?

Re: Watch “Dr. Steve’s first solo flight in his Q2 - 1989” on Vimeo

Jay Scheevel
 

This is all I have of my first flight. No access to the ramp for my cameraman, so this starts with me having already flown 7500 feet along the runway. It was a pretty day and no drama. 😊

 

https://youtu.be/gvZN0Yos5R4

 

 

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Bevilacqua via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Watch “Dr. Steve’s first solo flight in his Q2 - 1989” on Vimeo

 

I suspect one of his problems that he was not focused far enough down the runway during round out. He was also having issues with his pitch sensitivity.

Jeff

 

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 11:05:51 AM PDT, Rik <info@...> wrote:

 

 

Was that all down to airspeed management? Other than the ground loop.

Re: Q1 Project

Tristan Vincent-Philpot
 

Maybe you’re thinking of Henry Hallam’s electric Q1. I’ve seen it taxi on a video somewhere. It’s all gone quiet recently. I hope it’s still progressing behind the scenes.
I also have a Q1 that is the basis of an electric version, not for sale either. Sorry.

Tristan

On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



No, that was diffferent. The Sheehan one actually flew in the electric challenge that the Pipestral won. The one I am thinking of was a standard construction Q1 and was at Tehachapi. Sheehans was constructed entirely at Mojave. Two different planes.

 

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Cringely
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 12:37 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q1 Project

 

That electric Q1 isn't a Q1, exactly. It's from Quickie founder Gene Sheehan and is a completely new design, all carbon fiber, and actually a bit smaller than a Q1. I doubt that it is for sale. MY Q1 is definitely not for sale.

 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

There was a guy working on installing an electric motor in a Q1 (I think it was a university project) a few years ago. He had it in Tehachapi. Not sure if that was ever finished and/or is still there. Maybe that became the ill-fated twin jet Q1 at Mojave?  Maybe Mathew Curcio has some more updated news on whether that project may be available.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin Skiby
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 11:24 AM
To: 'main@Q-List.groups.io' <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Q1 Project

 

My son is currently looking for a Q1 that is flying or close to it and needs some work.  He would like it for some testing of a new engine being developed locally.

 

Anyone have one they would let go reasonable?

 

Thanks

Re: Q1 Project

Jay Scheevel
 

No, that was diffferent. The Sheehan one actually flew in the electric challenge that the Pipestral won. The one I am thinking of was a standard construction Q1 and was at Tehachapi. Sheehans was constructed entirely at Mojave. Two different planes.

 

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Cringely
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 12:37 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q1 Project

 

That electric Q1 isn't a Q1, exactly. It's from Quickie founder Gene Sheehan and is a completely new design, all carbon fiber, and actually a bit smaller than a Q1. I doubt that it is for sale. MY Q1 is definitely not for sale.

 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

There was a guy working on installing an electric motor in a Q1 (I think it was a university project) a few years ago. He had it in Tehachapi. Not sure if that was ever finished and/or is still there. Maybe that became the ill-fated twin jet Q1 at Mojave?  Maybe Mathew Curcio has some more updated news on whether that project may be available.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin Skiby
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 11:24 AM
To: 'main@Q-List.groups.io' <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Q1 Project

 

My son is currently looking for a Q1 that is flying or close to it and needs some work.  He would like it for some testing of a new engine being developed locally.

 

Anyone have one they would let go reasonable?

 

Thanks

Re: Watch “Dr. Steve’s first solo flight in his Q2 - 1989” on Vimeo

Jeffrey Bevilacqua
 

I suspect one of his problems that he was not focused far enough down the runway during round out. He was also having issues with his pitch sensitivity.
Jeff

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 11:05:51 AM PDT, Rik <info@...> wrote:


Was that all down to airspeed management? Other than the ground loop.

Re: Q1 Project

Robert Cringely
 

That electric Q1 isn't a Q1, exactly. It's from Quickie founder Gene Sheehan and is a completely new design, all carbon fiber, and actually a bit smaller than a Q1. I doubt that it is for sale. MY Q1 is definitely not for sale.



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

There was a guy working on installing an electric motor in a Q1 (I think it was a university project) a few years ago. He had it in Tehachapi. Not sure if that was ever finished and/or is still there. Maybe that became the ill-fated twin jet Q1 at Mojave?  Maybe Mathew Curcio has some more updated news on whether that project may be available.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin Skiby
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 11:24 AM
To: 'main@Q-List.groups.io' <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Q1 Project

 

My son is currently looking for a Q1 that is flying or close to it and needs some work.  He would like it for some testing of a new engine being developed locally.

 

Anyone have one they would let go reasonable?

 

Thanks

Re: Watch “Dr. Steve’s first solo flight in his Q2 - 1989” on Vimeo

Rik
 

Was that all down to airspeed management? Other than the ground loop.

Re: Q1 Project

Kevin R. Walsh
 

That is Henry's Q1.  It was in Tehachapi, but last I heard it was moved to Mojave, and taxi testing had been completed.  It is NOT the same as the TWERP Q1 that Elliot had the emergency landing in.  



On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

There was a guy working on installing an electric motor in a Q1 (I think it was a university project) a few years ago. He had it in Tehachapi. Not sure if that was ever finished and/or is still there. Maybe that became the ill-fated twin jet Q1 at Mojave?  Maybe Mathew Curcio has some more updated news on whether that project may be available.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin Skiby
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 11:24 AM
To: 'main@Q-List.groups.io' <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Q1 Project

 

My son is currently looking for a Q1 that is flying or close to it and needs some work.  He would like it for some testing of a new engine being developed locally.

 

Anyone have one they would let go reasonable?

 

Thanks



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Re: Q1 Project

Jay Scheevel
 

There was a guy working on installing an electric motor in a Q1 (I think it was a university project) a few years ago. He had it in Tehachapi. Not sure if that was ever finished and/or is still there. Maybe that became the ill-fated twin jet Q1 at Mojave?  Maybe Mathew Curcio has some more updated news on whether that project may be available.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Martin Skiby
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 11:24 AM
To: 'main@Q-List.groups.io' <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: [Q-List] Q1 Project

 

My son is currently looking for a Q1 that is flying or close to it and needs some work.  He would like it for some testing of a new engine being developed locally.

 

Anyone have one they would let go reasonable?

 

Thanks

Q1 Project

Martin Skiby
 

My son is currently looking for a Q1 that is flying or close to it and needs some work.  He would like it for some testing of a new engine being developed locally.

Anyone have one they would let go reasonable?

Thanks

Re: Ready for Spring Fling!!

Jim Patillo
 

Reread my last message to you. After I wrote it, I caught what I said and retracted it.
You know head up ass! I’m sure you’ve never seen that view before. 😎

Jim
N46JP Q200

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:31:54 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io <main@q-list.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Ready for Spring Fling!!
 
I assume the distance from the left case half to the right case half plus you would need to drill that 4” or so distance to the right case half and then stop before you drilled into the right case half.  Then drill a smaller hole in the right half to accept the Heli-coil.  Then you would need to find a way to break off the little tang on the Heli-coil and remove it some way.  
Have you known of a way to install the Heli-coil thru that distance?
Bruce


On Apr 8, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Why did he have to pull the cases apart to install a heli-coil for a cylinder?

Jim
N46JP Q200

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 8:19:48 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Ready for Spring Fling!!
 
Go carefully when you torque up the driven studs and then the cylinder base  nuts!  Imraan and I pulled a stud when re installing his number 3 cylinder.  He had to  have the case apart and have heli-coils installed.  Not fun!
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Patillo" <Logistics_engineering@...>
To: "main@Q-List.groups.io" <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Ready for Spring Fling!!
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 00:38:01 +0000

Thank you Bruce for all your help. I don�t have any heli-coils installed (yet). But I get what your saying. Will let you know when I get there.
 
Jim
N46JP Q200
 
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 5:19:25 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Ready for Spring Fling!!
 
Say Jim when  you go back in with the thru bolts for cylinder #4 you will obviously have to thread the bolts back into the opposite case.  When I pulled my #4 I tried to re-torque the thru bolts "driven studs" to spec of 300 inch lbs or 25 foot lbs because one of the studs seemed a little long when I originally mounted the cylinder at overhaul.  And because I was curious about their original torque.  As I started to torque the two it seemed they were going in a bit further than I thought they should.  So I stopped and then remounted the cylinder and torqued the cylinder base bolts to the prescribed >490 inch lbs or >40 foot lbs for 7/16-20 bolts and >410 inch lbs or >34 foot lbs for the 3/8 -24 bolts.  
 
I called Buddy at D and B Engines the next day and asked him what was going on with the driven studs not making torque.  He said you most likely have a heli-coil in place and the heli-coil has drilled hole at the end of it which makes the end of the hole further in from the heli-coil.  I know clear as mud, but think about how you drill and screw in a heli-coil.  I may have been bottoming out the threads on the bolt and screwing in the heli-coil more than originally mounted from Divco in Tulsa when they re built my case halves.
 
So unless you have a thru stud sticking out to far to get a cylinder base wrench on it when you mount it you might measure the other cylinder base bolts to see if they are sticking out any extra.  If you have any questions I would direct you to Buddy at D and B.  It seemed so much more simple when he described the procedure.
 
Bruce Crain
P.S.  I put the picture of  you and Bob Farnam 2 ship on Face Book and branded you two of the fastest Q's flying!  Hope you didn't mind!  That is a beautiful picture!

Re: Ready for Spring Fling!!

Bruce Crain
 

I assume the distance from the left case half to the right case half plus you would need to drill that 4” or so distance to the right case half and then stop before you drilled into the right case half.  Then drill a smaller hole in the right half to accept the Heli-coil.  Then you would need to find a way to break off the little tang on the Heli-coil and remove it some way.  
Have you known of a way to install the Heli-coil thru that distance?
Bruce


On Apr 8, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Why did he have to pull the cases apart to install a heli-coil for a cylinder?

Jim
N46JP Q200

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 8:19:48 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Ready for Spring Fling!!
 
Go carefully when you torque up the driven studs and then the cylinder base  nuts!  Imraan and I pulled a stud when re installing his number 3 cylinder.  He had to  have the case apart and have heli-coils installed.  Not fun!
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jim Patillo" <Logistics_engineering@...>
To: "main@Q-List.groups.io" <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Ready for Spring Fling!!
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 00:38:01 +0000

Thank you Bruce for all your help. I don�t have any heli-coils installed (yet). But I get what your saying. Will let you know when I get there.
 
Jim
N46JP Q200
 
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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 5:19:25 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Ready for Spring Fling!!
 
Say Jim when  you go back in with the thru bolts for cylinder #4 you will obviously have to thread the bolts back into the opposite case.  When I pulled my #4 I tried to re-torque the thru bolts "driven studs" to spec of 300 inch lbs or 25 foot lbs because one of the studs seemed a little long when I originally mounted the cylinder at overhaul.  And because I was curious about their original torque.  As I started to torque the two it seemed they were going in a bit further than I thought they should.  So I stopped and then remounted the cylinder and torqued the cylinder base bolts to the prescribed >490 inch lbs or >40 foot lbs for 7/16-20 bolts and >410 inch lbs or >34 foot lbs for the 3/8 -24 bolts.  
 
I called Buddy at D and B Engines the next day and asked him what was going on with the driven studs not making torque.  He said you most likely have a heli-coil in place and the heli-coil has drilled hole at the end of it which makes the end of the hole further in from the heli-coil.  I know clear as mud, but think about how you drill and screw in a heli-coil.  I may have been bottoming out the threads on the bolt and screwing in the heli-coil more than originally mounted from Divco in Tulsa when they re built my case halves.
 
So unless you have a thru stud sticking out to far to get a cylinder base wrench on it when you mount it you might measure the other cylinder base bolts to see if they are sticking out any extra.  If you have any questions I would direct you to Buddy at D and B.  It seemed so much more simple when he described the procedure.
 
Bruce Crain
P.S.  I put the picture of  you and Bob Farnam 2 ship on Face Book and branded you two of the fastest Q's flying!  Hope you didn't mind!  That is a beautiful picture!

Re: Watch “Dr. Steve’s first solo flight in his Q2 - 1989” on Vimeo

John Hoxie
 

Correction, my runway is 150 feet wide.

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 08:50:33 AM MDT, Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


Hi John,

Steve passed away in 2010 as the highest time pilot in a Q with over 2,300 hours. Don’t know the runway length but I remember him as being Canadian.

Jim
N46JP Q200

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of John Hoxie via groups.io <hoxdesigns@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 7:40:10 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Watch “Dr. Steve’s first solo flight in his Q2 - 1989” on Vimeo
 
Jim,

I would not have relished Dr. Steve's position landing on that short of runway, with obstacles at both ends without an airbrake. Do you know what the runway length was? Is he still flying currently? If I ever finish my Q, although my local runway is 4,200 feet in elevation, it's 9,200 feet long and 100 feet wide.

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 12:32:34 AM MDT, Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



I thought some of you newer guys might like to watch Dr. Steve K’s first solo flight in his Quickie. Definitely not a good way to start.

Jim
N46JP Q200

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Re: Watch “Dr. Steve’s first solo flight in his Q2 - 1989” on Vimeo

Corbin
 

Sorry....meant John below not Jim.


On April 9, 2020 at 9:50 AM, "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...> wrote:

That was a bit frightening to watch.  

Jim - I can relate....I brought mine to a 7,000ft x 150ft runway to finish off my training and solo (600ft msl).

Corbin

On April 9, 2020 at 9:40 AM, "John Hoxie via groups.io" <hoxdesigns@...> wrote:

Jim,

I would not have relished Dr. Steve's position landing on that short of runway, with obstacles at both ends without an airbrake. Do you know what the runway length was? Is he still flying currently? If I ever finish my Q, although my local runway is 4,200 feet in elevation, it's 9,200 feet long and 100 feet wide.

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot




On Thursday, April 9, 2020, 12:32:34 AM MDT, Jim Patillo <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:



I thought some of you newer guys might like to watch Dr. Steve K’s first solo flight in his Quickie. Definitely not a good way to start.

Jim
N46JP Q200

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