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Re: Reminder: Second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6 - featuring Sam Hoskins' Q-200

Greg Z.
 

It was good seeing you guys again. Keep building and fly safe.  Greg Zimmerman


-----Original Message-----
From: John Hoxie via groups.io <hoxdesigns@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Jun 6, 2020 10:22 am
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6 - featuring Sam Hoskins' Q-200

Sam,

You did an awesome job today on an awesome airplane. 

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Thursday, June 4, 2020, 07:04:30 PM MDT, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


We will be having our second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6. I will be showing my Q-200, Plastic Explosive, or as my wife calls it, The Fiberglass Bitch. Paul Fisher will be the moderator. Again, this meeting will be recorded and uploaded to YouTube. I think you can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ
 
The Zoom meeting time will be 09:00 Central Daylight Savings Time, USA (GMT-5). The link is at the bottom of this email. I suggest you download the Zoom app before joining the event. https://zoom.us/download
 
After this coming event, we will probably go to a once-a-month presentation. If you are interested in presenting your aircraft or project, shoot me an email off-line at sam.hoskins@... and we’ll put you on the list. BTW, there are four of us who are kind of a Zoom steering committee.
 
We appreciate the positive comments from our first showing with Kevin Bodicker and his beautiful Tri-Q. Several people said they wanted more of a chat format. This session will be similar to the last one, where the moderator feeds the presenter with questions. However, when our 40 minutes is up and the Zoom meeting ends, you may click the same link and reopen the meeting. We’ll un-mute everyone and it will be more of a free for-all chat environment. This session will not be recorded or uploaded.
 
As always, if you have follow-up questions that aren’t answered in the Zoom meeting, start a new topic and ask them here on the Q-List.
 
Do not log in until 08:59.
 
Leave your mic on mute. It is up to you if you want to use your video or not.
 
You may ask Kevin questions via the Zoom chat function. (Do not use your mic). You will send them to me, then I’ll pass on to Kevin. For more info: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/203650445-In-Meeting-Chat
 
Zoom automatically stops the meeting after 40 minutes have elapsed
 
Paul Fisher is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: 2nd Q-List Zoom Meeting - featuring Sam Hoskins(GMT-5)
Time: Jun 6, 2020 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) 
 
Join Zoom Meeting
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Re: Reminder: Second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6 - featuring Sam Hoskins' Q-200

John Hoxie
 

Sam,

You did an awesome job today on an awesome airplane. 

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Thursday, June 4, 2020, 07:04:30 PM MDT, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


We will be having our second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6. I will be showing my Q-200, Plastic Explosive, or as my wife calls it, The Fiberglass Bitch. Paul Fisher will be the moderator. Again, this meeting will be recorded and uploaded to YouTube. I think you can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ
 
The Zoom meeting time will be 09:00 Central Daylight Savings Time, USA (GMT-5). The link is at the bottom of this email. I suggest you download the Zoom app before joining the event. https://zoom.us/download
 
After this coming event, we will probably go to a once-a-month presentation. If you are interested in presenting your aircraft or project, shoot me an email off-line at sam.hoskins@... and we’ll put you on the list. BTW, there are four of us who are kind of a Zoom steering committee.
 
We appreciate the positive comments from our first showing with Kevin Bodicker and his beautiful Tri-Q. Several people said they wanted more of a chat format. This session will be similar to the last one, where the moderator feeds the presenter with questions. However, when our 40 minutes is up and the Zoom meeting ends, you may click the same link and reopen the meeting. We’ll un-mute everyone and it will be more of a free for-all chat environment. This session will not be recorded or uploaded.
 
As always, if you have follow-up questions that aren’t answered in the Zoom meeting, start a new topic and ask them here on the Q-List.
 
Do not log in until 08:59.
 
Leave your mic on mute. It is up to you if you want to use your video or not.
 
You may ask Kevin questions via the Zoom chat function. (Do not use your mic). You will send them to me, then I’ll pass on to Kevin. For more info: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/203650445-In-Meeting-Chat
 
Zoom automatically stops the meeting after 40 minutes have elapsed
 
Paul Fisher is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: 2nd Q-List Zoom Meeting - featuring Sam Hoskins(GMT-5)
Time: Jun 6, 2020 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) 
 
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/71085501918?pwd=Y3ZqT1dwNkRpd3hTSnVUZ1NWelBHdz09
 
Meeting ID: 710 8550 1918
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Re: Reminder: Second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6 - featuring Sam Hoskins' Q-200

Paul Fisher
 

You probably couldn't join the second one because it hasn't happened yet.  We start in 30 minutes (0900 CDT, 1400 Zulu).  I hope you can make it!



On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 08:17 allen relseg via groups.io <mrelseg=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I was able to join 1st zoom meet. But not 2nd.
Password would not work... Tried many times.
Was there a max amount of zoomers ? 


On Friday, June 5, 2020, 01:04:31 AM UTC, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


We will be having our second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6. I will be showing my Q-200, Plastic Explosive, or as my wife calls it, The Fiberglass Bitch. Paul Fisher will be the moderator. Again, this meeting will be recorded and uploaded to YouTube. I think you can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ
 
The Zoom meeting time will be 09:00 Central Daylight Savings Time, USA (GMT-5). The link is at the bottom of this email. I suggest you download the Zoom app before joining the event. https://zoom.us/download
 
After this coming event, we will probably go to a once-a-month presentation. If you are interested in presenting your aircraft or project, shoot me an email off-line at sam.hoskins@... and we’ll put you on the list. BTW, there are four of us who are kind of a Zoom steering committee.
 
We appreciate the positive comments from our first showing with Kevin Bodicker and his beautiful Tri-Q. Several people said they wanted more of a chat format. This session will be similar to the last one, where the moderator feeds the presenter with questions. However, when our 40 minutes is up and the Zoom meeting ends, you may click the same link and reopen the meeting. We’ll un-mute everyone and it will be more of a free for-all chat environment. This session will not be recorded or uploaded.
 
As always, if you have follow-up questions that aren’t answered in the Zoom meeting, start a new topic and ask them here on the Q-List.
 
Do not log in until 08:59.
 
Leave your mic on mute. It is up to you if you want to use your video or not.
 
You may ask Kevin questions via the Zoom chat function. (Do not use your mic). You will send them to me, then I’ll pass on to Kevin. For more info: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/203650445-In-Meeting-Chat
 
Zoom automatically stops the meeting after 40 minutes have elapsed
 
Paul Fisher is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: 2nd Q-List Zoom Meeting - featuring Sam Hoskins(GMT-5)
Time: Jun 6, 2020 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) 
 
Join Zoom Meeting
 
Meeting ID: 710 8550 1918
Password: 2XtWnr


Re: Reminder: Second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6 - featuring Sam Hoskins' Q-200

allen relseg
 

Well duh.. Central Time.. sorry... Try at ten est.
 Also would it be nice if your name
Included info like " mark/Q200/60%/Ohio "
Under your zoom ID.. ???
😷

On Saturday, June 6, 2020, 01:17:53 PM UTC, allen relseg via groups.io <mrelseg@...> wrote:


I was able to join 1st zoom meet. But not 2nd.
Password would not work... Tried many times.
Was there a max amount of zoomers ? 


On Friday, June 5, 2020, 01:04:31 AM UTC, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


We will be having our second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6. I will be showing my Q-200, Plastic Explosive, or as my wife calls it, The Fiberglass Bitch. Paul Fisher will be the moderator. Again, this meeting will be recorded and uploaded to YouTube. I think you can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ
 
The Zoom meeting time will be 09:00 Central Daylight Savings Time, USA (GMT-5). The link is at the bottom of this email. I suggest you download the Zoom app before joining the event. https://zoom.us/download
 
After this coming event, we will probably go to a once-a-month presentation. If you are interested in presenting your aircraft or project, shoot me an email off-line at sam.hoskins@... and we’ll put you on the list. BTW, there are four of us who are kind of a Zoom steering committee.
 
We appreciate the positive comments from our first showing with Kevin Bodicker and his beautiful Tri-Q. Several people said they wanted more of a chat format. This session will be similar to the last one, where the moderator feeds the presenter with questions. However, when our 40 minutes is up and the Zoom meeting ends, you may click the same link and reopen the meeting. We’ll un-mute everyone and it will be more of a free for-all chat environment. This session will not be recorded or uploaded.
 
As always, if you have follow-up questions that aren’t answered in the Zoom meeting, start a new topic and ask them here on the Q-List.
 
Do not log in until 08:59.
 
Leave your mic on mute. It is up to you if you want to use your video or not.
 
You may ask Kevin questions via the Zoom chat function. (Do not use your mic). You will send them to me, then I’ll pass on to Kevin. For more info: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/203650445-In-Meeting-Chat
 
Zoom automatically stops the meeting after 40 minutes have elapsed
 
Paul Fisher is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: 2nd Q-List Zoom Meeting - featuring Sam Hoskins(GMT-5)
Time: Jun 6, 2020 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) 
 
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/71085501918?pwd=Y3ZqT1dwNkRpd3hTSnVUZ1NWelBHdz09
 
Meeting ID: 710 8550 1918
Password: 2XtWnr


Re: Short Flight Report

Jay Scheevel
 

I'm feeling good about building mine with a 13.5 gallon header tank. When I fill it in flight it pushes the cg forward and seems to fly faster. Gives me a nice cushion if the main pump fails. No need for an auxiliary tank. Have not found a downside yet.

Cheers,
Jay

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID


"Richard LaBarre via groups.io" <vt325xi@...> wrote:

Not sure. My M20e Mooney has the low boost pump which is engine driven and the high boost pump that is electric ($1000 pump!). I think it’s the same concept. If it was me I’d put two in parallel if you were worried about redundancy. Or add a squeeze bulb. Honestly it’d be nice if you could add a level sensor that would automatically fill the header tank with the pump. And have an alarm that would warn you with plenty of fuel to at least give you the minimum 30 minutes of flight. Although my personal minimums were always an hour of fuel remaining. 


On Jun 5, 2020, at 7:01 PM, Dennis Gentry <dennis.gentry@...> wrote:

I bought a similar inexpensive pump for my VW bus after the German one failed after 30 years. The cheap Amazon/Chinese one failed in about 9 months.  The 2nd cheap pump is still working after a couple of years, I haven’t put many miles on it. 

Would it be possible to install two pumps?  My Mooney has a low boost and high boost pump (which I never use). 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:08 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks for sharing.  Since  I don't  have a squeeze bulb, I think  I will add that addition to my startup checklist as well as "check it again" for the in cruise section of the checklist.

Thanks again for sharing.

Corbin Ge!ser

On June 5, 2020 at 2:52 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

<image.png>

Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF




--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Reminder: Second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6 - featuring Sam Hoskins' Q-200

Corbin
 

I believe it’s at 9am CDT so probably just not open yet.  40 minutes away.

I won’t be able to make it, again.

Corbin

On Jun 6, 2020, at 8:17 AM, allen relseg via groups.io <mrelseg@...> wrote:


I was able to join 1st zoom meet. But not 2nd.
Password would not work... Tried many times.
Was there a max amount of zoomers ? 


On Friday, June 5, 2020, 01:04:31 AM UTC, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


We will be having our second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6. I will be showing my Q-200, Plastic Explosive, or as my wife calls it, The Fiberglass Bitch. Paul Fisher will be the moderator. Again, this meeting will be recorded and uploaded to YouTube. I think you can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ
 
The Zoom meeting time will be 09:00 Central Daylight Savings Time, USA (GMT-5). The link is at the bottom of this email. I suggest you download the Zoom app before joining the event. https://zoom.us/download
 
After this coming event, we will probably go to a once-a-month presentation. If you are interested in presenting your aircraft or project, shoot me an email off-line at sam.hoskins@... and we’ll put you on the list. BTW, there are four of us who are kind of a Zoom steering committee.
 
We appreciate the positive comments from our first showing with Kevin Bodicker and his beautiful Tri-Q. Several people said they wanted more of a chat format. This session will be similar to the last one, where the moderator feeds the presenter with questions. However, when our 40 minutes is up and the Zoom meeting ends, you may click the same link and reopen the meeting. We’ll un-mute everyone and it will be more of a free for-all chat environment. This session will not be recorded or uploaded.
 
As always, if you have follow-up questions that aren’t answered in the Zoom meeting, start a new topic and ask them here on the Q-List.
 
Do not log in until 08:59.
 
Leave your mic on mute. It is up to you if you want to use your video or not.
 
You may ask Kevin questions via the Zoom chat function. (Do not use your mic). You will send them to me, then I’ll pass on to Kevin. For more info: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/203650445-In-Meeting-Chat
 
Zoom automatically stops the meeting after 40 minutes have elapsed
 
Paul Fisher is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: 2nd Q-List Zoom Meeting - featuring Sam Hoskins(GMT-5)
Time: Jun 6, 2020 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) 
 
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/71085501918?pwd=Y3ZqT1dwNkRpd3hTSnVUZ1NWelBHdz09
 
Meeting ID: 710 8550 1918
Password: 2XtWnr

--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Reminder: Second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6 - featuring Sam Hoskins' Q-200

allen relseg
 

I was able to join 1st zoom meet. But not 2nd.
Password would not work... Tried many times.
Was there a max amount of zoomers ? 


On Friday, June 5, 2020, 01:04:31 AM UTC, Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:


We will be having our second Q-List Zoom meeting this coming Saturday, June 6. I will be showing my Q-200, Plastic Explosive, or as my wife calls it, The Fiberglass Bitch. Paul Fisher will be the moderator. Again, this meeting will be recorded and uploaded to YouTube. I think you can see it here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvpREq5dz5VjgcUFVNcoEhQ
 
The Zoom meeting time will be 09:00 Central Daylight Savings Time, USA (GMT-5). The link is at the bottom of this email. I suggest you download the Zoom app before joining the event. https://zoom.us/download
 
After this coming event, we will probably go to a once-a-month presentation. If you are interested in presenting your aircraft or project, shoot me an email off-line at sam.hoskins@... and we’ll put you on the list. BTW, there are four of us who are kind of a Zoom steering committee.
 
We appreciate the positive comments from our first showing with Kevin Bodicker and his beautiful Tri-Q. Several people said they wanted more of a chat format. This session will be similar to the last one, where the moderator feeds the presenter with questions. However, when our 40 minutes is up and the Zoom meeting ends, you may click the same link and reopen the meeting. We’ll un-mute everyone and it will be more of a free for-all chat environment. This session will not be recorded or uploaded.
 
As always, if you have follow-up questions that aren’t answered in the Zoom meeting, start a new topic and ask them here on the Q-List.
 
Do not log in until 08:59.
 
Leave your mic on mute. It is up to you if you want to use your video or not.
 
You may ask Kevin questions via the Zoom chat function. (Do not use your mic). You will send them to me, then I’ll pass on to Kevin. For more info: https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/203650445-In-Meeting-Chat
 
Zoom automatically stops the meeting after 40 minutes have elapsed
 
Paul Fisher is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
 
Topic: 2nd Q-List Zoom Meeting - featuring Sam Hoskins(GMT-5)
Time: Jun 6, 2020 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) 
 
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/71085501918?pwd=Y3ZqT1dwNkRpd3hTSnVUZ1NWelBHdz09
 
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Re: Short Flight Report

Richard LaBarre
 

Well said words of old pilot wisdom. 




On Jun 5, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Hey Mike, yup that qualifies for a butt pucker.😊 Glad things turned out ok for you. 

I had a similar situation Monday morning leaving Auburn, Ca. When I got to the airport 
I found I had left the ignition on and fully drained a brand new Concord RG25 and Panasonic 8 amp. The radios wouldn’t even fire up. As a side note: I run dual Plasma 3 Lightspeed’s and have dual battery/splittable systems for some redundancy. 

Being so early, I couldn’t find anyone on the field with a charger, so I jumped the aircraft battery from my car battery and when it got about 10 minutes charge, I hand propped and the engine came to life. 
The low voltage light went out and the two volt meters showed both batteries charging. I ran at 1000 rpm for about 10 minutes and then headed out to the runway. I taxied at 1500 RPM to the run up area (about 5 minutes) and did both ignitions and carb heat checks at 2000 rpm. Everything checked out nominal. 

I took off and at about 3000 feet and 5 miles from the airport, the low voltage/alternator light came on. That’s when I woke up. 😊

Realizing I had two electronic ignitions that don’t work with out juice, I thought well here we go, Auburn Ca., two almost totally discharged batteries and no place to land, hummm.  I made sure all non essential electric was off leaving only 2 ignitions and one radio on. Got back to Auburn and landed. 

Back on the ground, I found the 60A alternator breaker on the firewall tripped. I suspect when the plane got in the 2500/2600 rpm range,  the alternator supplied a rush of electricity through the breaker trying to fill the batteries and tripped it. I still don’t understand why the voltage regulator didn’t prevent this. I fully charged the batteries and installed a new 60A breaker and will test fly it tomorrow. 

The moral of the story for me is that, and I was trained to know, “accidents don’t typically just happen”. One thing on top of another can sometimes lead to a bad day. If this situation ever happens again and I am on the ground, that is where I will stay until both batteries are fully charged. Getting airborne was a very dumb move on my part. 

I’ve been flying 54 years now and have seen a lot of weird shit, this may be another. Beware, if it doesn’t feel good, don’t go there. 

Just a thought. 

Jim
N46JP Q200


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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...>
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 2:08:30 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Short Flight Report
 
Thanks for sharing.  Since  I don't  have a squeeze bulb, I think  I will add that addition to my startup checklist as well as "check it again" for the in cruise section of the checklist.

Thanks again for sharing.

Corbin Ge!ser

On June 5, 2020 at 2:52 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

<image.png>

Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK




--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Short Flight Report

Richard LaBarre
 

Not sure. My M20e Mooney has the low boost pump which is engine driven and the high boost pump that is electric ($1000 pump!). I think it’s the same concept. If it was me I’d put two in parallel if you were worried about redundancy. Or add a squeeze bulb. Honestly it’d be nice if you could add a level sensor that would automatically fill the header tank with the pump. And have an alarm that would warn you with plenty of fuel to at least give you the minimum 30 minutes of flight. Although my personal minimums were always an hour of fuel remaining. 


On Jun 5, 2020, at 7:01 PM, Dennis Gentry <dennis.gentry@...> wrote:

I bought a similar inexpensive pump for my VW bus after the German one failed after 30 years. The cheap Amazon/Chinese one failed in about 9 months.  The 2nd cheap pump is still working after a couple of years, I haven’t put many miles on it. 

Would it be possible to install two pumps?  My Mooney has a low boost and high boost pump (which I never use). 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:08 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks for sharing.  Since  I don't  have a squeeze bulb, I think  I will add that addition to my startup checklist as well as "check it again" for the in cruise section of the checklist.

Thanks again for sharing.

Corbin Ge!ser

On June 5, 2020 at 2:52 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

<image.png>

Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF




--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Short Flight Report

Dave Dugas
 

Whenever I start my plane and turn on the fuel pump, I always watch the glass fuel filter to see that it refills with fuel, along with hearing the pump run. Also during flight I often look to see the header tank overflow hose has fuel running back to the seat tank.... the hose is clear and I can see the fuel running through it. I've always been confident in my fuel system which is built as in the plans... except I eliminated the squeeze bulb to simplify things. Although the original Facet pump is still going strong, I will consider buying one as a spare piece of equipment. My little pump has pumped over 4000 gallons of fuel through 3/8" tubing so far, without any issues, and I owe it a debt of gratitude.
Dave D


On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 10:57 PM, Phil Lankford via groups.io
<britmcman@...> wrote:
Necessity is the Mother of Invention. I’m installing a Susanne Somers Thigh Master fuel pump. So there’s at least one vote for the value of the plans specified squeeze bulb. 


On Jun 5, 2020, at 5:41 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


I ended the flight with more gas than I had when I was the furthest out so I was filling the tank.  I could have gone a lot further, but it turned a fun flight into a challenging flight!

Jim, your battery story is kinda worse.  Maybe you should get one of those hand crank generators for backup :)

As long as we all make it home!

Mike Dwyer

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:29 PM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Thanks Mike, very valuable report. The pucker factor must have pretty high.  Do you have any idea how much you managed to pump up? 

I ditched my squeeze bulb many moons ago, but I do a check on every startup. 6.5 gallons in my header when it's full.

Sam 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 2:52 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

<image.png>


Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


Re: Short Flight Report

Phil Lankford
 

Necessity is the Mother of Invention. I’m installing a Susanne Somers Thigh Master fuel pump. So there’s at least one vote for the value of the plans specified squeeze bulb. 


On Jun 5, 2020, at 5:41 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:


I ended the flight with more gas than I had when I was the furthest out so I was filling the tank.  I could have gone a lot further, but it turned a fun flight into a challenging flight!

Jim, your battery story is kinda worse.  Maybe you should get one of those hand crank generators for backup :)

As long as we all make it home!

Mike Dwyer

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:29 PM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Thanks Mike, very valuable report. The pucker factor must have pretty high.  Do you have any idea how much you managed to pump up? 

I ditched my squeeze bulb many moons ago, but I do a check on every startup. 6.5 gallons in my header when it's full.

Sam 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 2:52 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

<image.png>


Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


Re: Short Flight Report

Mike Dwyer
 

I ended the flight with more gas than I had when I was the furthest out so I was filling the tank.  I could have gone a lot further, but it turned a fun flight into a challenging flight!

Jim, your battery story is kinda worse.  Maybe you should get one of those hand crank generators for backup :)

As long as we all make it home!

Mike Dwyer

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:29 PM Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
Thanks Mike, very valuable report. The pucker factor must have pretty high.  Do you have any idea how much you managed to pump up? 

I ditched my squeeze bulb many moons ago, but I do a check on every startup. 6.5 gallons in my header when it's full.

Sam 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 2:52 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

image.png

Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


Re: Short Flight Report

Jay Scheevel
 

Thanks for the report Mike. Glad you were able to execute plan B successfully. Other than that, how is the engine running now?

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Short Flight Report

 

Thanks Mike, very valuable report. The pucker factor must have pretty high.  Do you have any idea how much you managed to pump up? 

 

I ditched my squeeze bulb many moons ago, but I do a check on every startup. 6.5 gallons in my header when it's full.

 

Sam 

 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 2:52 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

 

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

 

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

 

image.png


Mike Dwyer

N3QP Q200

 

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK

Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


Re: Short Flight Report

Jim Patillo
 

Hey Mike, yup that qualifies for a butt pucker.😊 Glad things turned out ok for you. 

I had a similar situation Monday morning leaving Auburn, Ca. When I got to the airport 
I found I had left the ignition on and fully drained a brand new Concord RG25 and Panasonic 8 amp. The radios wouldn’t even fire up. As a side note: I run dual Plasma 3 Lightspeed’s and have dual battery/splittable systems for some redundancy. 

Being so early, I couldn’t find anyone on the field with a charger, so I jumped the aircraft battery from my car battery and when it got about 10 minutes charge, I hand propped and the engine came to life. 
The low voltage light went out and the two volt meters showed both batteries charging. I ran at 1000 rpm for about 10 minutes and then headed out to the runway. I taxied at 1500 RPM to the run up area (about 5 minutes) and did both ignitions and carb heat checks at 2000 rpm. Everything checked out nominal. 

I took off and at about 3000 feet and 5 miles from the airport, the low voltage/alternator light came on. That’s when I woke up. 😊

Realizing I had two electronic ignitions that don’t work with out juice, I thought well here we go, Auburn Ca., two almost totally discharged batteries and no place to land, hummm.  I made sure all non essential electric was off leaving only 2 ignitions and one radio on. Got back to Auburn and landed. 

Back on the ground, I found the 60A alternator breaker on the firewall tripped. I suspect when the plane got in the 2500/2600 rpm range,  the alternator supplied a rush of electricity through the breaker trying to fill the batteries and tripped it. I still don’t understand why the voltage regulator didn’t prevent this. I fully charged the batteries and installed a new 60A breaker and will test fly it tomorrow. 

The moral of the story for me is that, and I was trained to know, “accidents don’t typically just happen”. One thing on top of another can sometimes lead to a bad day. If this situation ever happens again and I am on the ground, that is where I will stay until both batteries are fully charged. Getting airborne was a very dumb move on my part. 

I’ve been flying 54 years now and have seen a lot of weird shit, this may be another. Beware, if it doesn’t feel good, don’t go there. 

Just a thought. 

Jim
N46JP Q200


Sent from Outer Space


From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...>
Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 2:08:30 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] Short Flight Report
 
Thanks for sharing.  Since  I don't  have a squeeze bulb, I think  I will add that addition to my startup checklist as well as "check it again" for the in cruise section of the checklist.

Thanks again for sharing.

Corbin Ge!ser

On June 5, 2020 at 2:52 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

image.png

Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK




--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Short Flight Report

Dennis Gentry
 

I bought a similar inexpensive pump for my VW bus after the German one failed after 30 years. The cheap Amazon/Chinese one failed in about 9 months.  The 2nd cheap pump is still working after a couple of years, I haven’t put many miles on it. 

Would it be possible to install two pumps?  My Mooney has a low boost and high boost pump (which I never use). 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 2:08 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thanks for sharing.  Since  I don't  have a squeeze bulb, I think  I will add that addition to my startup checklist as well as "check it again" for the in cruise section of the checklist.

Thanks again for sharing.

Corbin Ge!ser

On June 5, 2020 at 2:52 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

image.png

Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF




--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Short Flight Report

Corbin
 

Thanks for sharing.  Since  I don't  have a squeeze bulb, I think  I will add that addition to my startup checklist as well as "check it again" for the in cruise section of the checklist.

Thanks again for sharing.

Corbin Ge!ser

On June 5, 2020 at 2:52 PM, Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:

I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

image.png

Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF




--

Corbin 
N33QR


Re: Short Flight Report

Sam Hoskins
 

Thanks Mike, very valuable report. The pucker factor must have pretty high.  Do you have any idea how much you managed to pump up? 

I ditched my squeeze bulb many moons ago, but I do a check on every startup. 6.5 gallons in my header when it's full.

Sam 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020, 2:52 PM Mike Dwyer <q200pilot@...> wrote:
I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

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Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


Re: Short Flight Report

Mike Dwyer
 

LOL, ya, it paid for itself today!

Mike Dwyer

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF


On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:03 PM Stan Susman <stanpfa@...> wrote:
Thanks for sharing. Wasn't it great to have that pain in the butt squeeze bulb. Com is always second or third behind staying airborne IMHO


Re: Short Flight Report

Stan Susman
 

Thanks for sharing. Wasn't it great to have that pain in the butt squeeze bulb. Com is always second or third behind staying airborne IMHO


Short Flight Report

Mike Dwyer
 

I'd done some carb work but had my idle mixture set very lean to combat a plug fowling issue that actually turned out to be a plugged tube in the carb.  Anyway the engine has been idling badly for a while now.  I've had to keep higher idle RPM's (like 1000) which also extends your landing roll due to the added thrust.  So I bit the bullet today and tied the Q200 to my car.  Warmed up the engine and then carefully slid down the front of the canard with the engine running and a small screwdriver to diddle with the idle mixture screw.  I diddled for max RPM and smoothness.  Then touched the Idle RPM screw for the lowest reliable RPM.  I got it to 800 RPM and smooth.  Nice.  So let's button her up and go flying.

The A320 had just landed and a business jet was waiting for clearance so I called ready.  Tower suggested an early left turn out, which is good for me.  About the time I was turning left at 400 feet they cleared the Biz Jet for takeoff.  I climbed to 2000' as I was heading for Clearwater Beach.  So I was just 10 miles from the airport when I noticed my header fuel tank site gauge really low.  Probably half a tank.  That's weird cause it's never that low.  Yes the fuel pump is on but it's not working.  So I throttle back and get to squeezing the fuel bulb.  That's a pain in the butt to try flying while talking to ATC and squeezing the bulb all at the same time.  Called the tower and told them I'd like to return to land.  They gave me a code and told me what runway.  #2 following a Cheyenne.  So about 5 miles out I stop squeezing the bulb.  I've made some progress, got more gas showing now then when I first noticed it.  Squeaker landing and taxi back to the hangar.  After shut down, I turn the fuel pump on and off but no Clackety-Clackety noise now.  Fuse not blown.  The pump has officially died.  Oh, sitting on the ground the tank shows almost full but lift the tail up and the tank is definitely not full.  That explains why everything looked great on takeoff.

I don't have a check for the pump noise on my startup check list.  It's there now.  Then I stop at NAPA auto parts on the way home and they want $70 for the darn thing.  I pass and get home to check Amazon, yes $20 but it's a knock off of the Facet pump with great reviews.  So I just logged one of my shorter flights this year!

image.png

Mike Dwyer
N3QP Q200

YouTube Videos: https://goo.gl/yKEHfK
Q200 Website: http://goo.gl/V8IrJF