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Q-1 - How much Hp is needed
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Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
Dang it Jim! More big words... well, back to the translator.
JMasal@... wrote: Translation: Wow stud muffin, I really want to have your love child now! .
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JMasal@...
In a message dated 1/3/02 7:13:41 PM Central Standard Time,
mdwyer@... writes: Jim, I think he was asking about your weight... I'd estimate 172lb the lastYep........................................................................... ...........you got it just about right! j.
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Dave King <KingDWS@...>
John
Not to put words in Jim's mouth but I think he took the "responses" in fun, if not we're sure to hear about. Mr Pat Panzera however is in deep serious deep do-do. His "translation" caused me to nasally projectile snort a stream of coffee all over my keyboard which after a few bleeps died. My monitor survived only by the slim fact that my purebred white cat was walking in front of it. I haven't seen the cat since but I have noticed several rather recently shredded silk ties which I'll be adding to Pat's bill. I don't know if dry cleaners clean cats but I'll be sending him that bill too. Dave ;-]
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jtenhave@mets.mq.edu.au <jtenhave@...>
Jim,
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You seem to have taken a bit of savaging on this one, and I must admit that that was not my intention. In my defence I must admit that I have been subject to heavy smoke inhalation for the past 13 days. Living close to the university, surrounded by bush, I suspect that several hectares of hash may have inadvertently fuelled the fires of discontent and affected my transmissions adversely... As you have done with a regularity that is belying your professed engineering innocence, the southern ( some would say, earthy) voice of reason seems to have brought us back onto track yet again. I must confess, Jim that even with my newly acquired joined up writing skills, I am hard pressed to fill up a whole board with HP/MAUW = (magic number).-but I will give it a go, and report back! I do agree with you that rules of thumb are wonderful things but they may simply be the synthesis of lots of hard work and detailed analysis - or they may be flashes of brilliant insight, either way, they are usually the diamonds in the mud that you alluded to earlier. I do apologise for focusing on your elemental functions, but it did occur to me that the gastro-intestinal reflex seems to be particularly vigorously stimulated when pilots are not sufficiently attentive to issues of weight and its distribution. I have not done the experiment but I suspect that the resulting elimination of mass has little effect unless its arm ( or perhaps leg?) is changed significantly. I shall try wearing my zoom bag backwards (sans bicycle clips) to see if this helps the redistribution process. Please do not feel bad about not appreciating me. You are in very good company - for example, I have not had a single letter of appreciation from the Pope, Mother Teresa, Nelson Mandela, or Al. Finally, I am most grateful that you do think, Jim. I value your inputs and your thoughts highly - but you will never catch me admitting it publicly. Regards John
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From: JMasal@... [SMTP:JMasal@...] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 4:34 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed Jim-john mod. I like it! Except on a very few subjects endless palaver is of very little interest to me. But that's just my predilection. It is easy to see from the length of some threads that it is of great interest and stimulation to my reciprocals. I am just as happy as a pig in mud to see that there is something for everyone on this site. Nevertheless I am very resistant to the pull of this vortex, albeit very interested in the results at the end of a boardful of equations. Call me a pragmatist (maybe a weighty one, although I have still to gain 10 pounds to be up to my proper weight for my girth). Over 10+ years of publishing Quicktalk/QTALK I have observed it is well nigh impossible to scientifically quantify much about these custom built aircraft. The subject is rife with variables known, guessed at or unknown and, therefore, rife with errors of analysis. My opinion is that the best that can be attained are general rules of thumb. But thats just my opinion and as one wise sage put it: opinions are like assholes... everyone has one. And that brings us full circle to the start of this email. You do good work, John (and you go about it with humor). I just don't have it in my genetic makeup to appreciate you properly. That's neither good nor bad, I think. j. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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jtenhave@mets.mq.edu.au <jtenhave@...>
Jim,
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that is 'orifying! J
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From: JMasal@... [SMTP:JMasal@...] Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 5:54 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed Ouch, Panzera. And aren't you just an opening between the gluteus maximi. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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JMasal@...
Ouch, Panzera.
And aren't you just an opening between the gluteus maximi.
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pwright5@...
So you invited him to a theological place of eternal punishiment in such a
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way that he's looking forward to the trip!? RICHARD EDDINGER <mrsrb1@...> on 04/01/2002 17:29:11 Please respond to Q-LIST@... To: Q-list <Q-LIST@...> cc: Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed Just great
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From: Pat Panzera Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:14 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed JMasal@... wrote: <snip> I had great difficulty understanding Jim's message. There were far too many big words in it. So I found a website with an on-line "english to knuckle dragger" translator, fed the text in, and it translated it great! Here's the results: "Except on a very few subjects endless palaver is of very little interest to me." Translation: Except when it serves me, I get bored with you guys who like discuss things to completion. "But that's just my predilection." Translation: But that's just how I am. "It is easy to see from the length of some threads that it is of great interest and stimulation to my reciprocals. " Translation: But I realize that those of you who are not as smart as I am, take pleasure in this exercise. "I am just as happy as a pig in mud to see that there is something for everyone on this site. " Translation: And it truly warms my heart the way you mindless individuals can find happiness any way you can, and can find entertainment in a piece of pocket lint. "Nevertheless I am very resistant to the pull of this vortex, albeit very interested in the results at the end of a boardful of equations. " Translation: However, I'm still above participating, even though I'm interested in the outcome. "Call me a pragmatist (maybe a weighty one, although I have still to gain 10 pounds to be up to my proper weight for my girth)." Translation: Call me realistic (as opposed to idealistic). OR Translation: Call me a transvestite (because I have to wear a mumu now that I've outgrown my walking shorts). ;) "Over 10+ years of publishing Quicktalk/QTALK I have observed it is well nigh impossible to scientifically quantify much about these custom built aircraft." Translation: Although I know more than anyone about Q's in general, there's still some stuff I don't understand. Even though you guys might think you can come to understand things better through a more accurate understanding of physics and engineering, you are still idiots and nothing good can come of your efforts. "The subject is rife with variables known, guessed at or unknown and, therefore, rife with errors of analysis." Translation: There's no way an educated guess, the application of theory, or trial and error will do anyone any good. There are some straight up errors in the way you are going about it, but I won't bother to politely point them out, as I refuse to (as stated before) get sucked into the vortex of your idiocy. "My opinion is that the best that can be attained are general rules of thumb." Translation: My opinion is that the best that can be attained are general rules of thumb. (Translator's comment: Is that such a bad thing?) "But thats just my opinion and as one wise sage put it: opinions are like assholes... everyone has one. And that brings us full circle to the start of this email." Translation: Profanity is my preferred means of communication. "You do good work, John (and you go about it with humor). I just don't have it in my genetic makeup to appreciate you properly. That's neither good nor bad, I think." Translation: You do good work John, and I can't be man enough to admit it, because I'm a victim of genetics. I'm predisposed to being crass, and need to hide behind the fallacy that personality is genetic. Sorta like the guy in prison who raped and murdered because his daddy didn't love him. He's a victim too you know, just like me. . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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RICHARD EDDINGER <mrsrb1@...>
Just great
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From: Pat Panzera Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:14 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed JMasal@... wrote: <snip> I had great difficulty understanding Jim's message. There were far too many big words in it. So I found a website with an on-line "english to knuckle dragger" translator, fed the text in, and it translated it great! Here's the results: "Except on a very few subjects endless palaver is of very little interest to me." Translation: Except when it serves me, I get bored with you guys who like discuss things to completion. "But that's just my predilection." Translation: But that's just how I am. "It is easy to see from the length of some threads that it is of great interest and stimulation to my reciprocals. " Translation: But I realize that those of you who are not as smart as I am, take pleasure in this exercise. "I am just as happy as a pig in mud to see that there is something for everyone on this site. " Translation: And it truly warms my heart the way you mindless individuals can find happiness any way you can, and can find entertainment in a piece of pocket lint. "Nevertheless I am very resistant to the pull of this vortex, albeit very interested in the results at the end of a boardful of equations. " Translation: However, I'm still above participating, even though I'm interested in the outcome. "Call me a pragmatist (maybe a weighty one, although I have still to gain 10 pounds to be up to my proper weight for my girth)." Translation: Call me realistic (as opposed to idealistic). OR Translation: Call me a transvestite (because I have to wear a mumu now that I've outgrown my walking shorts). ;) "Over 10+ years of publishing Quicktalk/QTALK I have observed it is well nigh impossible to scientifically quantify much about these custom built aircraft." Translation: Although I know more than anyone about Q's in general, there's still some stuff I don't understand. Even though you guys might think you can come to understand things better through a more accurate understanding of physics and engineering, you are still idiots and nothing good can come of your efforts. "The subject is rife with variables known, guessed at or unknown and, therefore, rife with errors of analysis." Translation: There's no way an educated guess, the application of theory, or trial and error will do anyone any good. There are some straight up errors in the way you are going about it, but I won't bother to politely point them out, as I refuse to (as stated before) get sucked into the vortex of your idiocy. "My opinion is that the best that can be attained are general rules of thumb." Translation: My opinion is that the best that can be attained are general rules of thumb. (Translator's comment: Is that such a bad thing?) "But thats just my opinion and as one wise sage put it: opinions are like assholes... everyone has one. And that brings us full circle to the start of this email." Translation: Profanity is my preferred means of communication. "You do good work, John (and you go about it with humor). I just don't have it in my genetic makeup to appreciate you properly. That's neither good nor bad, I think." Translation: You do good work John, and I can't be man enough to admit it, because I'm a victim of genetics. I'm predisposed to being crass, and need to hide behind the fallacy that personality is genetic. Sorta like the guy in prison who raped and murdered because his daddy didn't love him. He's a victim too you know, just like me. . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
JMasal@... wrote:
<snip> I had great difficulty understanding Jim's message. There were far too many big words in it. So I found a website with an on-line "english to knuckle dragger" translator, fed the text in, and it translated it great! Here's the results: "Except on a very few subjects endless palaver is of very little interest to me." Translation: Except when it serves me, I get bored with you guys who like discuss things to completion. "But that's just my predilection." Translation: But that's just how I am. "It is easy to see from the length of some threads that it is of great interest and stimulation to my reciprocals. " Translation: But I realize that those of you who are not as smart as I am, take pleasure in this exercise. "I am just as happy as a pig in mud to see that there is something for everyone on this site. " Translation: And it truly warms my heart the way you mindless individuals can find happiness any way you can, and can find entertainment in a piece of pocket lint. "Nevertheless I am very resistant to the pull of this vortex, albeit very interested in the results at the end of a boardful of equations. " Translation: However, I'm still above participating, even though I'm interested in the outcome. "Call me a pragmatist (maybe a weighty one, although I have still to gain 10 pounds to be up to my proper weight for my girth)." Translation: Call me realistic (as opposed to idealistic). OR Translation: Call me a transvestite (because I have to wear a mumu now that I've outgrown my walking shorts). ;) "Over 10+ years of publishing Quicktalk/QTALK I have observed it is well nigh impossible to scientifically quantify much about these custom built aircraft." Translation: Although I know more than anyone about Q's in general, there's still some stuff I don't understand. Even though you guys might think you can come to understand things better through a more accurate understanding of physics and engineering, you are still idiots and nothing good can come of your efforts. "The subject is rife with variables known, guessed at or unknown and, therefore, rife with errors of analysis." Translation: There's no way an educated guess, the application of theory, or trial and error will do anyone any good. There are some straight up errors in the way you are going about it, but I won't bother to politely point them out, as I refuse to (as stated before) get sucked into the vortex of your idiocy. "My opinion is that the best that can be attained are general rules of thumb." Translation: My opinion is that the best that can be attained are general rules of thumb. (Translator's comment: Is that such a bad thing?) "But thats just my opinion and as one wise sage put it: opinions are like assholes... everyone has one. And that brings us full circle to the start of this email." Translation: Profanity is my preferred means of communication. "You do good work, John (and you go about it with humor). I just don't have it in my genetic makeup to appreciate you properly. That's neither good nor bad, I think." Translation: You do good work John, and I can't be man enough to admit it, because I'm a victim of genetics. I'm predisposed to being crass, and need to hide behind the fallacy that personality is genetic. Sorta like the guy in prison who raped and murdered because his daddy didn't love him. He's a victim too you know, just like me. .
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pwright5@...
Like Jim .... I've flown behind 4 different engines. Being somewhat
non-anorexic (sp?), 50+ HP is good for me. I STILL want to go with the HKS700 if and when John TH finishes the R&D for me (lazy or what)? :-) If you're under 120lbs go ONAN (22HP) Under 175 lbs go Mosler or Global (35 HP) Anything over 200 (thats me!!!) needs 2-stroke to get enough power to wieght ratio .... so Rotax 503 (50+ HP) In the cruise 30 hp is fine ..... but nice to get up to this position quickly! Happy New Year everyone, Paul JMasal@... on 04/01/2002 05:34:27 Please respond to Q-LIST@... To: Q-LIST@... cc: Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed Jim-john mod. I like it! Except on a very few subjects endless palaver is of very little interest to me. But that's just my predilection. It is easy to see from the length of some threads that it is of great interest and stimulation to my reciprocals. I am just as happy as a pig in mud to see that there is something for everyone on this site. Nevertheless I am very resistant to the pull of this vortex, albeit very interested in the results at the end of a boardful of equations. Call me a pragmatist (maybe a weighty one, although I have still to gain 10 pounds to be up to my proper weight for my girth). Over 10+ years of publishing Quicktalk/QTALK I have observed it is well nigh impossible to scientifically quantify much about these custom built aircraft. The subject is rife with variables known, guessed at or unknown and, therefore, rife with errors of analysis. My opinion is that the best that can be attained are general rules of thumb. But thats just my opinion and as one wise sage put it: opinions are like assholes... everyone has one. And that brings us full circle to the start of this email. You do good work, John (and you go about it with humor). I just don't have it in my genetic makeup to appreciate you properly. That's neither good nor bad, I think. j. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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jtenhave@mets.mq.edu.au <jtenhave@...>
Jim,
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you make a good point (- digestive tract aside) in that ultimately it is performance which counts and that which we all seek. The difference in performance however is not just a case of power, but what that power is being applied to. If you are one of these racing sardine body shapes, or more "inertial" can make a big difference. An apparently asthmatic Q whilst being flown by a "well rounded personality" could well be a missile in the hands of the "growth hormonally challenged". I would suggest that if the power to weight was to be found, it would prove to be a great leveller. Of course, this does assume that one is prepared to mount the bathroom scales, has sufficiently good eyesight to read the dial and a girth which permits a direct line of sight to the dial. As for Mike Dwyer's irreverence?...he would have to get points for bravery, at least. As for Retentivity? You are right to avoid this at all costs, this will simply compound the problem.... indeed, a circular speed brake with a central cutout could be usefully employed to perform multiple roles... In keeping with the double barrelled, self named, modification traditions could I suggest the Jim-John ? John
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From: JMasal@... [SMTP:JMasal@...] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:39 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed In a message dated 1/2/02 10:40:37 PM Central Standard Time, jtenhave@... writes: can you recall or derive the MAUWI'm not an engineer so I don't get anal retentive about these things. No I can't do this. This is merely a gut feel from a pilot. Wheter the absolute figure is 37 1/2 hp or 29 and 3/8 is of no interest to me. I'm going with 50. j. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Mike Dwyer <mdwyer@...>
Jim, I think he was asking about your weight... I'd estimate 172lb the last time I saw you... Maybe you want to tell him closer to the truth! LOL
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From: JMasal@... To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed In a message dated 1/2/02 10:40:37 PM Central Standard Time, jtenhave@... writes: > can you recall or derive the MAUW I'm not an engineer so I don't get anal retentive about these things. No I can't do this. This is merely a gut feel from a pilot. Wheter the absolute figure is 37 1/2 hp or 29 and 3/8 is of no interest to me. I'm going with 50. j. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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JMasal@...
Jim-john mod. I like it!
Except on a very few subjects endless palaver is of very little interest to me. But that's just my predilection. It is easy to see from the length of some threads that it is of great interest and stimulation to my reciprocals. I am just as happy as a pig in mud to see that there is something for everyone on this site. Nevertheless I am very resistant to the pull of this vortex, albeit very interested in the results at the end of a boardful of equations. Call me a pragmatist (maybe a weighty one, although I have still to gain 10 pounds to be up to my proper weight for my girth). Over 10+ years of publishing Quicktalk/QTALK I have observed it is well nigh impossible to scientifically quantify much about these custom built aircraft. The subject is rife with variables known, guessed at or unknown and, therefore, rife with errors of analysis. My opinion is that the best that can be attained are general rules of thumb. But thats just my opinion and as one wise sage put it: opinions are like assholes... everyone has one. And that brings us full circle to the start of this email. You do good work, John (and you go about it with humor). I just don't have it in my genetic makeup to appreciate you properly. That's neither good nor bad, I think. j.
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JMasal@...
In a message dated 1/2/02 10:40:37 PM Central Standard Time,
jtenhave@... writes: can you recall or derive the MAUWI'm not an engineer so I don't get anal retentive about these things. No I can't do this. This is merely a gut feel from a pilot. Wheter the absolute figure is 37 1/2 hp or 29 and 3/8 is of no interest to me. I'm going with 50. j.
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jtenhave@mets.mq.edu.au <jtenhave@...>
Jim,
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thinking further about your posting, can you recall or derive the MAUW for each configuration? The reason why I ask is to see if it is possible to define an optimum power to weight ratio for the Q1. Your observation that 35 hp is optimum is half of a very useful figure. Regards John
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From: JMasal@... [SMTP:JMasal@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 2:23 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Q-1 - How much Hp is needed In a message dated 12/31/01 11:11:29 PM Central Standard Time, KingDWS@... writes: Since Jim says you can put something other than a Onan in my Q1 Kit,I dint say you should DO it, wise guy, I only said I've flown behind them. I'm just makin' a theoretical estimation you unnerstand. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hot Wings
In a message dated 1/1/02 4:44:17 PM Mountain Standard Time,
RMARIETTA@... writes: Raven of Boulder CO is working on the 3 cyclinder, 4 cycle, water cooled,I've got 3 of these motors in the shop (#128 as pulled from the vehicle) and I had originally planed to do the same thing long before I saw Ravens' version. Kind of a Q-1 version of the Rabbit I'm going to put in my Q-2. If they can get this done at #90 without lopping of the third cylinder I think 9.98 m/sec needs to be revised a bit. There will be a flood of BD-5 builders waiting outside their doors if they could pull this off. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Think outside the box......Fly in the envelope Leon McAtee Q-2/turbo VW Rabbit GTI/G-60 Q-1//3 Cyl Diahatsu Diesel???
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RMARIETTA@...
Raven of Boulder CO is working on the 3 cyclinder, 4 cycle, water cooled,
laid hortz. with a redrive that is designed to use the same egine mount as the Rotax 503. HP-45-50, 90 lbs. They have been working with this engine for some time, just recently using it in the hort. position.
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JMasal@...
In a message dated 12/31/01 11:11:29 PM Central Standard Time,
KingDWS@... writes: Since Jim says you can put something other than a Onan in my Q1 Kit,I dint say you should DO it, wise guy, I only said I've flown behind them. I'm just makin' a theoretical estimation you unnerstand.
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Dave King <KingDWS@...>
At 11:37 PM 12/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
Having flown behind a so-called Onan 22hp, a Global and a Rotax, I think thatSince Jim says you can put something other than a Onan in my Q1 Kit, I'll take a step to the middle and say "FOLLOW THE PLANS" Happy New Years EveryOne Dave K
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Dave King <KingDWS@...>
At 08:18 PM 12/31/01 -0500, you wrote:
I'm planning on picking up my new project next weekend and would kindYou know I'm really rather picky on what engine I'll let you put on MY kit ;-] Depending on what engine you have to start with you can get an easy 35 hp out of them. The Kohler has a 100 extra cc's displacement but the Brigg's and Honda's have a lot of after market parts. All of them are involved in racing and will put out 70+ hp in race trim. Just your regular everyday lawn mower engine burning nitro..... I think there are two people onlist getting ready to fly behind the Kohlers, The Brigg's has flown in several guises and there is a German conversion rated at 38hp. The Honda was out as the "David engine" by Sky West. I think those turned out to be more hype than horsepower 45-60hp from a 630cc. engine. Dave
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