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damiantwinsport@...
On a Q200 one could on first thumbnail hinge it off the firewall and nest it
under the center console with a blister on the bottom of the fuselage. the wing tip wheels would have to change to smaller stabilizer wheels and retractable gear. I would be comfortable utilizing the end of spar as a hinge point. Looks good on sketches . Dman |
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Bob Farnam <bfarnam@...>
The trouble with a mono wheel, at least as used on the Europa, is that there
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is no way to have any brake steering. As for me personally, I'm not interested in flying a taildragger without brake steering. We have a mono wheel Europa in our Chapter at LVK, and the two partners have ground looped it a couple of times. They wish they had built the tri-gear version and are very nervous about flying it in a crosswind. The monowheel is more suitable for European grass fields where you need the tundra tire for rough surface and there are often large grass fields where landing into the wind is usually an option. The Q as designed is remarkably low drag, efficient, and a delight to fly. It is also very simple, not much more complicated than a J3 Cub. It seems to me that the best route to lower stall speed is more wing area - see Dragonfly or Bruce Crain mods. Just remember TANSTAAFL! There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. This doesn't mean that no improvements are possible, or that a different mission isn't wanted. But a lot of airplanes have come down the pike in the last 20 years, and few of them approach the Q in performance on the horsepower. Just my 2 cents from a satisfied customer. Bob F. N200QK -----Original Message-----
From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:19 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Mono wheel On a Q200 one could on first thumbnail hinge it off the firewall and nest it under the center console with a blister on the bottom of the fuselage. the wing tip wheels would have to change to smaller stabilizer wheels and retractable gear. I would be comfortable utilizing the end of spar as a hinge point. Looks good on sketches . Dman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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damiantwinsport@...
Bob, thanks for the info. as always sales ads are quite different from the
real deal.Like my previous post stated"looks good on paper" LOL. Regards Damian Gregory |
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damiantwinsport@...
Peter, I have been reading some interesting things on NASA sites regarding
piezoelectric panels tested as a device to change lifting surface profile thereby changing camber on the surface. Simply by inducing current. Pretty trick. light and simple as well. The gear issue and ground handling would be more simply done with a retractable gear with an elastomer bungie and friction for dampening. Construction could be uni carbon compression molded. A skinned wing would allow accommodations for the wheels and gear as well as allowing for some camber adjustment done with simple actuators. Just thinking out of the box a little. Regards, Damian Gregory |
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
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From: Bob Farnam To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Mono wheel The trouble with a mono wheel, at least as used on the Europa, is that there is no way to have any brake steering. As for me personally, I'm not interested in flying a taildragger without brake steering. We have a mono wheel Europa in our Chapter at LVK, and the two partners have ground looped it a couple of times. They wish they had built the tri-gear version and are very nervous about flying it in a crosswind. The monowheel is more suitable for European grass fields where you need the tundra tire for rough surface and there are often large grass fields where landing into the wind is usually an option. The Q as designed is remarkably low drag, efficient, and a delight to fly. It is also very simple, not much more complicated than a J3 Cub. It seems to me that the best route to lower stall speed is more wing area - see Dragonfly or Bruce Crain mods. Just remember TANSTAAFL! There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. This doesn't mean that no improvements are possible, or that a different mission isn't wanted. But a lot of airplanes have come down the pike in the last 20 years, and few of them approach the Q in performance on the horsepower. Just my 2 cents from a satisfied customer. Bob F. N200QK -----Original Message----- From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:19 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Mono wheel On a Q200 one could on first thumbnail hinge it off the firewall and nest it under the center console with a blister on the bottom of the fuselage. the wing tip wheels would have to change to smaller stabilizer wheels and retractable gear. I would be comfortable utilizing the end of spar as a hinge point. Looks good on sketches . Dman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
Damian,
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I agree with Bob re the use of a mono wheel and I have heard a lot of complaints about the Europa landing / ground handling perhaps worse than the Q.But simple manual retractable gear could be part of the new spec. Alternatively if the canard tip wheels are retained in the new design there is a ground handling issue to be solved. The canard at present acts like an undamped spring and under certain conditions it may oscillate or buck at the natural frequency of the "spring" and this is one of the main characteristics which can give the Q a reputation for a wild ride - even broken props. Most of us have adapted to this little quirk by one means or another. Basically by moving the stick either fwd or back the natural frequency of the "spring" is altered which kills the oscillation. If the stick is moved back there is the added advantage that there is more movement available, increased load on the tailwheel for stability, and the elevator acts like a flap or airbrake to reduce the ground run. If pre- formed wings/ canard are made the design could incorporate damping in the canard to eliminate this effect. Peter VH ONQ Q2 300hrs But Bob is right ----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Farnam To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Mono wheel The trouble with a mono wheel, at least as used on the Europa, is that there is no way to have any brake steering. As for me personally, I'm not interested in flying a taildragger without brake steering. We have a mono wheel Europa in our Chapter at LVK, and the two partners have ground looped it a couple of times. They wish they had built the tri-gear version and are very nervous about flying it in a crosswind. The monowheel is more suitable for European grass fields where you need the tundra tire for rough surface and there are often large grass fields where landing into the wind is usually an option. The Q as designed is remarkably low drag, efficient, and a delight to fly. It is also very simple, not much more complicated than a J3 Cub. It seems to me that the best route to lower stall speed is more wing area - see Dragonfly or Bruce Crain mods. Just remember TANSTAAFL! There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. This doesn't mean that no improvements are possible, or that a different mission isn't wanted. But a lot of airplanes have come down the pike in the last 20 years, and few of them approach the Q in performance on the horsepower. Just my 2 cents from a satisfied customer. Bob F. N200QK -----Original Message----- From: damiantwinsport@... [mailto:damiantwinsport@...] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:19 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Mono wheel On a Q200 one could on first thumbnail hinge it off the firewall and nest it under the center console with a blister on the bottom of the fuselage. the wing tip wheels would have to change to smaller stabilizer wheels and retractable gear. I would be comfortable utilizing the end of spar as a hinge point. Looks good on sketches . Dman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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alfranken2001 <alfranken@...>
Peter,
Sounds like quite a mod... Let's see, doesn't work well with the Europa...let's try it on a Q... As always, give it a try and report back, with input on stick movements, both forward and aft...of course! Do you think it would make a Q go faster too? Al --- In Q-LIST@..., Peter Harris <peterjfharris@b...> wrote: Damian,of complaints about the Europa landing / ground handling perhaps worse than the Q.But simple manual retractable gear could be part of the new spec. Alternatively if the canard tip wheels are retained in the newdesign there is a ground handling issue to be solved. The canard at present acts like an undamped spring and under certain conditions it may oscillate or buck at the natural frequency of the "spring" and this is one of the main characteristics which can give the Q a reputation for a wild ride - even broken props. Most of us have adapted to this little quirk by one means or another. Basically by moving the stick either fwd or back the natural frequency of the "spring" is altered which kills the oscillation. If the stick is moved back there is the added advantage that there is more movement available, increased load on the tailwheel for stability, and the elevator acts like a flap or airbrake to reduce the ground run. If pre- formed wings/ canard are made the design could incorporate damping in the canard to eliminate this effect. Peteris that there is no way to have any brake steering. As for me personally, I'mnot interested in flying a taildragger without brake steering. Wehave a mono wheel Europa in our Chapter at LVK, and the two partners haveground looped it a couple of times. They wish they had built the tri-gearversion and are very nervous about flying it in a crosswind. The monowheel ismore suitable for European grass fields where you need the tundra tire forrough surface and there are often large grass fields where landing into thewind is usually an option. The Q as designed is remarkably low drag,efficient, and a delight to fly. It is also very simple, not much morecomplicated than a J3 Cub. It seems to me that the best route to lower stall speedis more wing area - see Dragonfly or Bruce Crain mods. Just rememberTANSTAAFL! There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. This doesn't mean that noimprovements are possible, or that a different mission isn't wanted. But alot of airplanes have come down the pike in the last 20 years, and fewof them approach the Q in performance on the horsepower. Just my 2 centsfrom a satisfied customer.firewall and nest itfuselage. the wing tip wheels would have to change to smaller stabilizerwheels and retractable gear. I would be comfortable utilizing the end ofspar as a hinge point.Service. Service. |
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David J. Gall
Al,
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You missed the point. Peter agrees with Bob that the monowheel is NOT something to put on a Q. In deference to Bruce (you're still not getting my Bud Light!) Crain, consider that I didn't rebuke you for your obvious attempt to provoke Peter as a "kiss" of the most distant sort. Now, don't ever darken my email box with your innuendos about who's trying to "take credit" for stuff again. And stop sending me stuff off-list. I've had it with your behavior on this list. You have started something like this every fall since 1999, and you're at it again. You won't make it through the holidays without getting in scraps with at least three people on this list. I, for one, am tired of seeing it year after year. This list was nice and peaceable while you were gone off starting your own list. Now here we are with you back among us, hijacking topics to your own agenda and bludgeoning people with your opinions until they either stop responding or until you start picking on somebody else. Go away, Al. David J. Gall -----Original Message----- |
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
I don't know what you are talking about Al. Maybe you should read my post again. I am not in favour of doing a mono wheel either.
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From: alfranken2001 To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Mono wheel Peter, Sounds like quite a mod... Let's see, doesn't work well with the Europa...let's try it on a Q... As always, give it a try and report back, with input on stick movements, both forward and aft...of course! Do you think it would make a Q go faster too? Al --- In Q-LIST@..., Peter Harris <peterjfharris@b...> wrote: > Damian, > I agree with Bob re the use of a mono wheel and I have heard a lot of complaints about the Europa landing / ground handling perhaps worse than the Q.But simple manual retractable gear could be part of the new spec. > Alternatively if the canard tip wheels are retained in the new design there is a ground handling issue to be solved. The canard at present acts like an undamped spring and under certain conditions it may oscillate or buck at the natural frequency of the "spring" and this is one of the main characteristics which can give the Q a reputation for a wild ride - even broken props. Most of us have adapted to this little quirk by one means or another. Basically by moving the stick either fwd or back the natural frequency of the "spring" is altered which kills the oscillation. If the stick is moved back there is the added advantage that there is more movement available, increased load on the tailwheel for stability, and the elevator acts like a flap or airbrake to reduce the ground run. If pre- formed wings/ canard are made the design could incorporate damping in the canard to eliminate this effect. > Peter > VH ONQ Q2 300hrs > But Bob is right > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Farnam > To: Q-LIST@... > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:09 AM > Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Mono wheel > > > The trouble with a mono wheel, at least as used on the Europa, is that there > is no way to have any brake steering. As for me personally, I'm not > interested in flying a taildragger without brake steering. We have a mono > wheel Europa in our Chapter at LVK, and the two partners have ground looped > it a couple of times. They wish they had built the tri-gear version and are > very nervous about flying it in a crosswind. The monowheel is more suitable > for European grass fields where you need the tundra tire for rough surface > and there are often large grass fields where landing into the wind is > usually an option. The Q as designed is remarkably low drag, efficient, and > a delight to fly. It is also very simple, not much more complicated than a > J3 Cub. It seems to me that the best route to lower stall speed is more wing > area - see Dragonfly or Bruce Crain mods. Just remember TANSTAAFL! There > ain't no such thing as a free lunch. This doesn't mean that no improvements > are possible, or that a different mission isn't wanted. But a lot of > airplanes have come down the pike in the last 20 years, and few of them > approach the Q in performance on the horsepower. Just my 2 cents from a > satisfied customer. > > Bob F. > N200QK > -----Original Message----- > From: damiantwinsport@a... [mailto:damiantwinsport@a...] > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:19 PM > To: Q-LIST@... > Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Mono wheel > > > On a Q200 one could on first thumbnail hinge it off the firewall and nest > it > under the center console with a blister on the bottom of the fuselage. the > wing tip wheels would have to change to smaller stabilizer wheels and > retractable gear. I would be comfortable utilizing the end of spar as a > hinge point. > Looks good on sketches . > Dman > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site > http://www.quickiebuilders.org > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site > http://www.quickiebuilders.org > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
And stop sending me stuff off-list.
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,I've had it with your behavior on this list. You have started something like this every fall since 1999, and you're at it again. Go away, Al. David J. Gall -----Original Message----- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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alfranken2001 <alfranken@...>
Peter,
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
Al,
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The message that was supposed to go with that post was lost. Like David I have also in the past had a serve of your offline abuse and I am tired of your personal irrational attacks . Peter ----- Original Message -----
From: alfranken2001 To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:27 AM Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Mono wheel Peter, Why are you putting stuff like this on the server? Pat, this is another reason why..... Al --- In Q-LIST@..., Peter Harris <peterjfharris@b...> wrote: > And stop sending me stuff off-list. > > ,I've had it with your behavior on this list. You have started something like > this every fall since 1999, and you're at it again. Go away, Al. > > > David J. Gall > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: alfranken2001 [mailto:alfranken@m...] > > Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 11:46 PM > > To: Q-LIST@... > > Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Mono wheel > > > > > > Peter, > > > > Sounds like quite a mod... > > > > Let's see, doesn't work well with the Europa...let's try it on a Q... > > > > As always, give it a try and report back, with input on stick > > movements, both forward and aft...of course! > > > > Do you think it would make a Q go faster too? > > > > Al > > > > > > --- In Q-LIST@..., Peter Harris <peterjfharris@b...> > > wrote: > > > Damian, > > > I agree with Bob re the use of a mono wheel and I have heard a lot > > of complaints about the Europa landing / ground handling perhaps > > worse than the Q.But simple manual retractable gear could be part of > > the new spec. > > > Alternatively if the canard tip wheels are retained in the new > > design there is a ground handling issue to be solved. The canard at > > present acts like an undamped spring and under certain conditions it > > may oscillate or buck at the natural frequency of the "spring" and > > this is one of the main characteristics which can give the Q a > > reputation for a wild ride - even broken props. Most of us have > > adapted to this little quirk by one means or another. Basically by > > moving the stick either fwd or back the natural frequency of > > the "spring" is altered which kills the oscillation. If the stick is > > moved back there is the added advantage that there is more movement > > available, increased load on the tailwheel for stability, and the > > elevator acts like a flap or airbrake to reduce the ground run. If > > pre- formed wings/ canard are made the design could incorporate > > damping in the canard to eliminate this effect. > > > Peter > > > VH ONQ Q2 300hrs > > > But Bob is right > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bob Farnam > > > To: Q-LIST@... > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:09 AM > > > Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Mono wheel > > > > > > > > > The trouble with a mono wheel, at least as used on the Europa, > > is that there > > > is no way to have any brake steering. As for me personally, I'm > > not > > > interested in flying a taildragger without brake steering. We > > have a mono > > > wheel Europa in our Chapter at LVK, and the two partners have > > ground looped > > > it a couple of times. They wish they had built the tri-gear > > version and are > > > very nervous about flying it in a crosswind. The monowheel is > > more suitable > > > for European grass fields where you need the tundra tire for > > rough surface > > > and there are often large grass fields where landing into the > > wind is > > > usually an option. The Q as designed is remarkably low drag, > > efficient, and > > > a delight to fly. It is also very simple, not much more > > complicated than a > > > J3 Cub. It seems to me that the best route to lower stall speed > > is more wing > > > area - see Dragonfly or Bruce Crain mods. Just remember > > TANSTAAFL! There > > > ain't no such thing as a free lunch. This doesn't mean that no > > improvements > > > are possible, or that a different mission isn't wanted. But a > > lot of > > > airplanes have come down the pike in the last 20 years, and few > > of them > > > approach the Q in performance on the horsepower. Just my 2 cents > > from a > > > satisfied customer. > > > > > > Bob F. > > > N200QK > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: damiantwinsport@a... [mailto:damiantwinsport@a...] > > > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:19 PM > > > To: Q-LIST@... > > > Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Mono wheel > > > > > > > > > On a Q200 one could on first thumbnail hinge it off the > > firewall and nest > > > it > > > under the center console with a blister on the bottom of the > > fuselage. the > > > wing tip wheels would have to change to smaller stabilizer > > wheels and > > > retractable gear. I would be comfortable utilizing the end of > > spar as a > > > hinge point. > > > Looks good on sketches . > > > Dman > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site > http://www.quickiebuilders.org > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... 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A problem II just finished an X-plane sim. Took the side view and moved the 'dragger positioned wheel to the center. Due to the length (high CG long arm) the plane wants to tip much more than one with short gear like a glider. A mono wheel version would probably need some fairly stout outriggers. And the other problem that popped up is braking in a turn. It's a real prop eater. All in all I don't think it's worth the 3-5 knots in speed. Looks kind of funny too..... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Leon McAtee BD5ER@... Rocky Mountains USA Q-1 amateur builder/engineer - With yearnings to change that state Looking for Aeronca C-3 Factory drawings/copies i ~~~~(^)~~~~ 55% finished _____l__ __I_____ ZERO Flight hours |
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Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
The point is, although I know that these types of messages irk a lot of
folk on the list, I'm not really comfortable deleting these messages. Messages which contain personal attacks or foul language, at this point are getting deleted before they get to the list. Other messages, although off topic, which seem to be educational, informational, or even entertaining, I'm leaving it up to the individual to decide if they want to delete it or read it, as it should be in my opinion. We all have delete keys. Right now we have polls in place, and although they are showing a trend, the poll isn't over yet. I really don't know what to do. I've been admonished for taking a stand, and I'm being admonished for not taking one. Pat |
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Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
With rights come responsibility.
We all have the right to say what we wish, but we also have the responsibility to follow the rules set forth. I published said rules yesterday. Messages which fall clearly outside those rules are being deleted. It's the grey area which I'm having problems with. Pat |
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