----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Fortin" <kfortin@...>
To: <q-list@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] FW: Rudders big and small

Hey guys,
Even with the Pitts big rudder, it is still one twitchy bird. After going thru 10 dual hours of armpit sweating stress in the Pitts,
WITH DUAL HELP, I finally got to solo it. I can't imagine trying to
learn to fly it by myself, which is what you guy have had (or will have)
to do. If I had to learn to fly the Pitts by myself, I am pretty sure at
some point I would blame the airplane and want to start changing it.
This sounds a bit like what some of you are thinking.
In that 10 hours, 80% of what I learned was how to dance the dance on
the rudder pedals. Nothing more. (When I started on the Pitts I had 40
or so hours in a Decathlon).
My thought (and I reserve the right to change it) is, it's most likely
learning to dance the dance on the rudder pedals, not the size of the
rudder. If the Q is anything like the Pitts, the steepness of the learning curve
is unexpected, to say the least. I admire anyone who can make it through
that on their own.
BTW: I still plan to taxi, taxi, and taxi some more.
Kevin Fortin
sales@...
Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org
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--- In Q-LIST@..., "Kevin Fortin" <kfortin@p...> wrote:

Hey guys,



Even with the Pitts big rudder, it is still one twitchy bird.



After going thru 10 dual hours of armpit sweating stress in the Pitts,
WITH DUAL HELP, I finally got to solo it. I can't imagine trying to
learn to fly it by myself, which is what you guy have had (or will have)
to do. If I had to learn to fly the Pitts by myself, I am pretty sure at
some point I would blame the airplane and want to start changing it.
This sounds a bit like what some of you are thinking.



In that 10 hours, 80% of what I learned was how to dance the dance on
the rudder pedals. Nothing more. (When I started on the Pitts I had 40
or so hours in a Decathlon).



My thought (and I reserve the right to change it) is, it's most likely
learning to dance the dance on the rudder pedals, not the size of the
rudder.



If the Q is anything like the Pitts, the steepness of the learning curve
is unexpected, to say the least. I admire anyone who can make it through
that on their own.



BTW: I still plan to taxi, taxi, and taxi some more.



Kevin Fortin

sales@p...

----- Original Message -----
From: HAIQU_OZ
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:34 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: FW: Rudders big and small



Hi Kevin,

I'm in a similar preparation phase for the arrival of my Quickie. Even
though I don't expect it to be flying for 12 months I decided that it
was time to do some more flying again. Previous experience was 20
hours in a Warrior, which is like driving a bus, and that was 18 years
ago anyhow.

So last week I headed 200km off to a small aerodrome in Yarram,
Victoria for some ultralight lessons. Before going the CFI asked me by
email what I thought I'd need to get an UL license and I brashly said
"Oh, about 3 hrs dual and 5-7 solo". Hah!! What I didn't realize I
could write a book about, and that statement sure looks stupid now.

Yarram airfield is between the coast and a small mountain range, and
it's almost summer. The only time you can fly as a student is two
hours in the morning and evenings, the rest of the time there's so
much thermal activity it just gets too bumpy. But there's also the
onshore breezes and adiabatic winds to contend with, and most takeoffs
were into a 10-15 kt crosswind.

So although I managed to fly the area fairly well after a couple of
hours, I could never manage a landing without the instructor having to
help out, and the takeoffs weren't all that straight either. So I
would highly recommend some time in a Thruster or similar two-seater
taildragger ultralight as damned good experience prior to taking to
the skies in a Q.

This is also the first time I've found an airport that even vaguely
approximates the kind of grassroots ambiance seen in the USA. My
previous school in Lilydale was all business and filled with youngish
instructors who were just on a stepping-stone to a better commercial
job. You could hang around all day and learn nothing at all. Yarram
was full of relatively old guys - and I'm 51 so speaking in the
absolute sense they were ancient - who had mostly built their own
airplanes and knew every bolt, and who were keen to talk about them.

The barbeque on Sunday brought out a Jodel, several Jabirus, a
beautiful new Kara One, an ancient Zenair and even an autogyro. During
the week I got a ride in a Lightwing, and saw several other
interesting craft from a single-seat Jeep to an Airvan and a Seneca
II. Yarram is also a stepping-stone to Tasmania, and a very schmick
C-150 driven by an American couple refuelled midweek on route
Launceston to visit their daughters. The place was literally hopping
with fanatical fliers. Needless to say, I joined the local club and
will be going back again regularly.

I got home last night humbled, sunburnt and with an 88% pass in the
BAK on my logbook. It was a great week, now all I need is to do some
more flying.

Rob


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Kevin Fortin" <kfortin@p...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> Even with the Pitts big rudder, it is still one twitchy bird.
>
>
>
> After going thru 10 dual hours of armpit sweating stress in the Pitts,
> WITH DUAL HELP, I finally got to solo it. I can't imagine trying to
> learn to fly it by myself, which is what you guy have had (or will have)
> to do. If I had to learn to fly the Pitts by myself, I am pretty sure at
> some point I would blame the airplane and want to start changing it.
> This sounds a bit like what some of you are thinking.
>
>
>
> In that 10 hours, 80% of what I learned was how to dance the dance on
> the rudder pedals. Nothing more. (When I started on the Pitts I had 40
> or so hours in a Decathlon).
>
>
>
> My thought (and I reserve the right to change it) is, it's most likely
> learning to dance the dance on the rudder pedals, not the size of the
> rudder.
>
>
>
> If the Q is anything like the Pitts, the steepness of the learning curve
> is unexpected, to say the least. I admire anyone who can make it through
> that on their own.
>
>
>
> BTW: I still plan to taxi, taxi, and taxi some more.
>
>
>
> Kevin Fortin
>
> sales@p...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: FW: Rudders big and small



Hi John,

I dropped into Leongatha on the way back and there's plenty of gliding
going on at that strip. It's only an hour from here so I'll be likely
to take that advice. One of my friends (who is coming over tonight for
a beer) is a long-time glider pilot, so I'll be enlisting his assistance.

Rob

--- In Q-LIST@..., "John ten Have" <Jtenhave@m...> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> may I suggest a few laps in a glass sailplane as well? The
accuracy required to fly a sailplane and the sensitivity of control is
a very good indicator of the required standard. As is the need to grip
up speed control, attitude flying and all those things that make the
difference in something that will punish you if you do not get it
right. - not to mention engine out familiarity.
>
> John






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----- Original Message -----
From: "HAIQU_OZ" <judd@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:34 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: FW: Rudders big and small

Hi Kevin,

I'm in a similar preparation phase for the arrival of my Quickie. Even
though I don't expect it to be flying for 12 months I decided that it
was time to do some more flying again. Previous experience was 20
hours in a Warrior, which is like driving a bus, and that was 18 years
ago anyhow.

So last week I headed 200km off to a small aerodrome in Yarram,
Victoria for some ultralight lessons. Before going the CFI asked me by
email what I thought I'd need to get an UL license and I brashly said
"Oh, about 3 hrs dual and 5-7 solo". Hah!! What I didn't realize I
could write a book about, and that statement sure looks stupid now.

Yarram airfield is between the coast and a small mountain range, and
it's almost summer. The only time you can fly as a student is two
hours in the morning and evenings, the rest of the time there's so
much thermal activity it just gets too bumpy. But there's also the
onshore breezes and adiabatic winds to contend with, and most takeoffs
were into a 10-15 kt crosswind.

So although I managed to fly the area fairly well after a couple of
hours, I could never manage a landing without the instructor having to
help out, and the takeoffs weren't all that straight either. So I
would highly recommend some time in a Thruster or similar two-seater
taildragger ultralight as damned good experience prior to taking to
the skies in a Q.

This is also the first time I've found an airport that even vaguely
approximates the kind of grassroots ambiance seen in the USA. My
previous school in Lilydale was all business and filled with youngish
instructors who were just on a stepping-stone to a better commercial
job. You could hang around all day and learn nothing at all. Yarram
was full of relatively old guys - and I'm 51 so speaking in the
absolute sense they were ancient - who had mostly built their own
airplanes and knew every bolt, and who were keen to talk about them.

The barbeque on Sunday brought out a Jodel, several Jabirus, a
beautiful new Kara One, an ancient Zenair and even an autogyro. During
the week I got a ride in a Lightwing, and saw several other
interesting craft from a single-seat Jeep to an Airvan and a Seneca
II. Yarram is also a stepping-stone to Tasmania, and a very schmick
C-150 driven by an American couple refuelled midweek on route
Launceston to visit their daughters. The place was literally hopping
with fanatical fliers. Needless to say, I joined the local club and
will be going back again regularly.

I got home last night humbled, sunburnt and with an 88% pass in the
BAK on my logbook. It was a great week, now all I need is to do some
more flying.

Rob


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Kevin Fortin" <kfortin@p...> wrote:

Hey guys,



Even with the Pitts big rudder, it is still one twitchy bird.



After going thru 10 dual hours of armpit sweating stress in the Pitts,
WITH DUAL HELP, I finally got to solo it. I can't imagine trying to
learn to fly it by myself, which is what you guy have had (or will have)
to do. If I had to learn to fly the Pitts by myself, I am pretty sure at
some point I would blame the airplane and want to start changing it.
This sounds a bit like what some of you are thinking.



In that 10 hours, 80% of what I learned was how to dance the dance on
the rudder pedals. Nothing more. (When I started on the Pitts I had 40
or so hours in a Decathlon).



My thought (and I reserve the right to change it) is, it's most likely
learning to dance the dance on the rudder pedals, not the size of the
rudder.



If the Q is anything like the Pitts, the steepness of the learning curve
is unexpected, to say the least. I admire anyone who can make it through
that on their own.



BTW: I still plan to taxi, taxi, and taxi some more.



Kevin Fortin

sales@p...

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org


Yahoo! Groups Links

----- Original Message -----
From: "HAIQU_OZ" <judd@...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:34 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: FW: Rudders big and small

Arthur,

I said nothing of the sort, either by email or in person, to you or
anyone else. I am perfectly aware of the amount of work involved in
getting this plane flying again.

And it will still cost me a total of around $2000 less - and about 4
years less work - than the shambling pile of Q2 parts you offered me,
even including shipping it here and building the engine. I'm satisfied
with the deal.

Rob


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Arthur & Margaret" <warreen@n...> wrote:

Rob, you told me that you would have fixed up the problems in 4 to 5

hours

and have it flying which is it, I think you have a lot to learn

maybe you

have brought a lemon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "HAIQU_OZ" <judd@o...>
To: <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:34 AM
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: FW: Rudders big and small

Hi Kevin,

I'm in a similar preparation phase for the arrival of my Quickie. Even
though I don't expect it to be flying for 12 months I decided that it
was time to do some more flying again. Previous experience was 20
hours in a Warrior, which is like driving a bus, and that was 18 years
ago anyhow.

So last week I headed 200km off to a small aerodrome in Yarram,
Victoria for some ultralight lessons. Before going the CFI asked me by
email what I thought I'd need to get an UL license and I brashly said
"Oh, about 3 hrs dual and 5-7 solo". Hah!! What I didn't realize I
could write a book about, and that statement sure looks stupid now.

Yarram airfield is between the coast and a small mountain range, and
it's almost summer. The only time you can fly as a student is two
hours in the morning and evenings, the rest of the time there's so
much thermal activity it just gets too bumpy. But there's also the
onshore breezes and adiabatic winds to contend with, and most takeoffs
were into a 10-15 kt crosswind.

So although I managed to fly the area fairly well after a couple of
hours, I could never manage a landing without the instructor having to
help out, and the takeoffs weren't all that straight either. So I
would highly recommend some time in a Thruster or similar two-seater
taildragger ultralight as damned good experience prior to taking to
the skies in a Q.

This is also the first time I've found an airport that even vaguely
approximates the kind of grassroots ambiance seen in the USA. My
previous school in Lilydale was all business and filled with youngish
instructors who were just on a stepping-stone to a better commercial
job. You could hang around all day and learn nothing at all. Yarram
was full of relatively old guys - and I'm 51 so speaking in the
absolute sense they were ancient - who had mostly built their own
airplanes and knew every bolt, and who were keen to talk about them.

The barbeque on Sunday brought out a Jodel, several Jabirus, a
beautiful new Kara One, an ancient Zenair and even an autogyro. During
the week I got a ride in a Lightwing, and saw several other
interesting craft from a single-seat Jeep to an Airvan and a Seneca
II. Yarram is also a stepping-stone to Tasmania, and a very schmick
C-150 driven by an American couple refuelled midweek on route
Launceston to visit their daughters. The place was literally hopping
with fanatical fliers. Needless to say, I joined the local club and
will be going back again regularly.

I got home last night humbled, sunburnt and with an 88% pass in the
BAK on my logbook. It was a great week, now all I need is to do some
more flying.

Rob


--- In Q-LIST@..., "Kevin Fortin" <kfortin@p...> wrote:

Hey guys,



Even with the Pitts big rudder, it is still one twitchy bird.



After going thru 10 dual hours of armpit sweating stress in the

Pitts,

WITH DUAL HELP, I finally got to solo it. I can't imagine trying to
learn to fly it by myself, which is what you guy have had (or

will have)

to do. If I had to learn to fly the Pitts by myself, I am pretty

sure at

some point I would blame the airplane and want to start changing it.
This sounds a bit like what some of you are thinking.



In that 10 hours, 80% of what I learned was how to dance the

dance on

the rudder pedals. Nothing more. (When I started on the Pitts I

had 40

or so hours in a Decathlon).



My thought (and I reserve the right to change it) is, it's most

likely

learning to dance the dance on the rudder pedals, not the size

of the

rudder.



If the Q is anything like the Pitts, the steepness of the

learning curve

is unexpected, to say the least. I admire anyone who can make it

through

that on their own.



BTW: I still plan to taxi, taxi, and taxi some more.



Kevin Fortin

sales@p...

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org


Yahoo! Groups Links

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
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