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Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...>
Charlie,
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I wanted to use your comment: "Learning the facts avoids postulating pontifications." I like it! You did respond to my post, but I sent a query before I found and read your response. I think we're all caught up now! I hope to have another EZ-Trim unit finished and tested in a month or so, what with the holidays. I'll holler when it's ready! Larry
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Well Written, Kevin. The primary difference being that an aircraft engine
drones on at a fairly constant RPM while in cruise. The harmonic resonance usually affects ancillary systems (i.e. Things bolted on) that eventually succumb to fatigue. It is interesting to note that most engine related failures are ancillary in nature (i.e. fuel, electrical, etc.) even amidst aircraft engines. Cheers. Phil I love my 0-200. That said, I have a friend that invented a Triumph motorcycle powered helicopter, The Adams-Wilson Hobbycopter. He died at a elderly age of natural (non-aviation related) causes. Pistons is pistons. They go up and down in pretty much the same way.
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In a message dated 12/3/2004 8:54:22 PM Mountain Standard Time,
LDHAMM@... writes: Hey Charlie, can I use that? I've had need of it lately! Larry Hamm PS-Did you get my response to your post about the EZ-Trim? OneSkyDog@... wrote: Larry, Use what? I thought I responded to the ez-trim. I need to get a strong servo and mount it in but I would like to try your altitude hold board. Regards, Charlie
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Larry Hamm <LDHAMM@...>
Hey Charlie, can I use that? I've had need of it lately!
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Larry Hamm PS-Did you get my response to your post about the EZ-Trim? OneSkyDog@... wrote:
Learning the facts avoids postulating pontifications.
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In a message dated 11/29/2004 11:08:45 PM Mountain Standard Time,
kfortin@... writes: Phil, You are absolutely right! (At 16 years old, we both know engine management didn't play a big role). On the other hand, being an engineer (I know that dulls the dialog a bit), I know there was a process that the guys went through to certify the O200 that included a lot of things that are only visible when you are looking at things in the aviation mind-frame. That said, it makes me trust the O200 more because it was designed for flying applications and has been proven there. (I know from personal experience that sometimes things that seem obvious are radically different when one looks at the tiny details). Keep thinking out of the box anyway, it keep fuddy-duddys like me from wrecking the fun! Kevin Kevin, Check it out Corvairs have been flying for a long time. Learning the facts avoids postulating pontifications. _http://flycorvair.com/_ (http://flycorvair.com/) Regards, One Sky Dog
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John ten Have <Jtenhave@...>
David,
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sometimes you get that as a free bonus... John
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From: David Posey To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:26 AM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N44BJ Hey, guys all I asked for was info on one particular air frame, not to start a controversay. David Posey dlposey-atlanta@... 112 Timber Ridge Court Woodstock, GA 30188 770.442.0988 Home 678.640.9671 Mobile > [Original Message] > From: Kevin Fortin <kfortin@...> > To: <Q-LIST@...> > Date: 11/29/2004 10:31:25 PM > Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N44BJ > > > David and gang, > > In the below reference to a Corvair engine, my thoughts went back to my > dune buggy days. I was never impressed with the engine, but at the time > we could buy a complete car for $40.00, so price prevailed. I may be > crazy or just uninformed, but my thought was when I read this, I would > never want a Corvair engine on anything of mine that might kill me if it > quit. > > Maybe someone has worked out the details of making the Corvair a > reliable aviation powerplant but I just wanted to throw out my > "terrestrial only" experience with the thing and say; I'm not so sure. I > had an engine overheat and seize on 2 occasions. (I have to admit, we > weren't too kind to them). > > If I had the financial choice, (and I admit the O-200 can get a bit > spendy) I would go for the aviation engine, which I know is pretty darn > crude, but has been proven over the years as pretty darn bulletproof. > > In any airplane that lands as fast as a Q, wants to avoid an off field > landing if at all possible. The landing speeds are so high the > probability for "bad" is too high to be ignored. > > My opinion and nothing more, > > Kevin Fortin > sales@... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Posey [mailto:dlposey-atlanta@...] > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:48 PM > To: Q-LIST@... > Subject: [Q-LIST] N44BJ > > > Have purchased N44BJ less engine (O-200). Will be powered with a Corvair > when I finish. Does anyone on the list have any info relevant to this > Tri-Q ? If so please let me know. It will be greatly appreciated. > > > David Posey > dlposey-atlanta@... > 112 Timber Ridge Court > Woodstock, GA 30188 > 770.442.0988 Home > 678.640.9671 Mobile > > > > > > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site > http://www.quickiebuilders.org > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site > http://www.quickiebuilders.org > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
Sorry Larry, you are new and it was an inside joke to those who know me and the story of my prop falling of. Long story which will be chronicled in an upcoming Q-Talk Newsletter.
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Doug "Hawkeye" Humble www.asignabove.net Omaha NE N25974
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From: "larry severson" <larry2@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N44BJ
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HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
Pat P. said: "BTW, I've never had a car engine bust on me... ever. I've worn them out, I've
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had system failures, I've run out of gas, but I've never had one seize on me or fail in any way, as long as spark and fuel were being properly fed to it." I don't know if I want to fly with you Pat! :) Doug "Hawkeye" Humble www.asignabove.net Omaha NE N25974
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From: "Patrick Panzera" <panzera@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N44BJ
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Larry Severson
At 11:53 AM 11/30/2004 -0600, you wrote:
Ah, a little spirited conversation never hurt anyone! So let me add to theLook at the added 4th bearing in the front of the Revmaster (VW) and be prepared to be impressed. Prop won't leave. Larry Severson Fountain Valley, CA 92708 (714) 968-9852 larry2@...
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HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...>
Ah, a little spirited conversation never hurt anyone! So let me add to the controversay... Bugs are better!!! (VW's that is) Best engine ever made as long as you can keep the prop on!!!! :)
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Doug "Hawkeye" Humble www.asignabove.net Omaha NE N25974
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From: "David Posey" <dlposey-atlanta@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N44BJ
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Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
Phil,You might want to read up on the process of getting an engine certified. It might just scare the beejeebies out of you. Ford and GM do WAY more R&D and testing on their engines than anyone wanting to get an engine certified would be required to do (or has been required to do in the past). With some time and money (and not many actual test stand or flight hours), I could get the Corvair certified, and I'd have to change nothing from the way it's currently being "converted" for aviation... which is basically accessories. (I might have to put in a second set of plugs, but it's been done, flight proven, and there are conversion plans available.) Additionally, did you realize that a run out certified engine can be busted down, parts cleaned and inspected, found to be at the extreme wear limit (but still inside the specified limit) put back together, and called 0-SMOH? One hour later (or maybe 100 hours if you prefer), the majority of the mostly worn parts could then be out of spec. Pat
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Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
I had the crank from a 3500 hour TT (1400 SMOH*, just a few hours out of annual)
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O-360 A3A in a Cherokee 180, snap in half and jamb itself up in the crankcase webbing (the engine completely stopped and would not turn by hand) while under the hood, on a full power missed approach. Fortunately we had enough altitude to make "the impossible turn" from the x-wind departure leg, and landed back on the opposite runway from which we had just over flown. Had it been actual IMC, I'd probably be dead now. Had we been 100'-300' lower, the plane would be broken now. We were lucky. Long and short of it, engines can and WILL bust, be they auto conversions or certified. There is no certification fairy that will magically protect you if you fly certified, or will cast an evil spell on you if you fly an auto conversion. BTW, I've never had a car engine bust on me... ever. I've worn them out, I've had system failures, I've run out of gas, but I've never had one seize on me or fail in any way, as long as spark and fuel were being properly fed to it. Pat *hours are from memory
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Dave Richardson <dave@...>
Hi Kevin,
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You can learn more about the excellent work done by A&P William Wynne at: http://www.flycorvair.com Dave Richardson
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From: Kevin Fortin [mailto:kfortin@...] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 1:06 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] N44BJ Phil, You are absolutely right! (At 16 years old, we both know engine management didn't play a big role). On the other hand, being an engineer (I know that dulls the dialog a bit), I know there was a process that the guys went through to certify the O200 that included a lot of things that are only visible when you are looking at things in the aviation mind-frame. That said, it makes me trust the O200 more because it was designed for flying applications and has been proven there. (I know from personal experience that sometimes things that seem obvious are radically different when one looks at the tiny details). Keep thinking out of the box anyway, it keep fuddy-duddys like me from wrecking the fun! Kevin -----Original Message----- From: britmcman@... [mailto:britmcman@...] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:28 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N44BJ Kevin: Consider this. Had your car been equipped with an 0-200 Continental engine, I'd bet a dollar to a dime that you would have managed to seize that engine too. Engine management probably was not in your realm of interest back in those days. Consider what success you might have had if you had watched your cylinder head and exhaust gas temperatures. Just imagine. Cheers, Phil Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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David Posey <dlposey-atlanta@...>
Hey, guys all I asked for was info on one particular air frame, not to
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start a controversay. David Posey dlposey-atlanta@... 112 Timber Ridge Court Woodstock, GA 30188 770.442.0988 Home 678.640.9671 Mobile
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David Posey <dlposey-atlanta@...>
Thanks for your opinion.
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David Posey dlposey-atlanta@... 112 Timber Ridge Court Woodstock, GA 30188 770.442.0988 Home 678.640.9671 Mobile
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Kevin Fortin <kfortin@...>
Phil,
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You are absolutely right! (At 16 years old, we both know engine management didn't play a big role). On the other hand, being an engineer (I know that dulls the dialog a bit), I know there was a process that the guys went through to certify the O200 that included a lot of things that are only visible when you are looking at things in the aviation mind-frame. That said, it makes me trust the O200 more because it was designed for flying applications and has been proven there. (I know from personal experience that sometimes things that seem obvious are radically different when one looks at the tiny details). Keep thinking out of the box anyway, it keep fuddy-duddys like me from wrecking the fun! Kevin
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From: britmcman@... [mailto:britmcman@...] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:28 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] N44BJ Kevin: Consider this. Had your car been equipped with an 0-200 Continental engine, I'd bet a dollar to a dime that you would have managed to seize that engine too. Engine management probably was not in your realm of interest back in those days. Consider what success you might have had if you had watched your cylinder head and exhaust gas temperatures. Just imagine. Cheers, Phil Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Kevin Fortin <kfortin@...>
David,
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An afterthought: In my Pitts, which lands about the same speed as the Q, but probably has more robust landing gear, I wear a parachute. In the case of an engine out, with the Pitt's flight removable canopy, I PLAN TO JUMP if I can't see an obvious place to put it down. (I'm a skydiver and I know parachutes work well). I also know 70 or so miles an hour over rough ground in a plane that doesn't really even like rough runways will really suck. I want to do everything I can to prevent ever having to make that decision. Kevin
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From: David Posey [mailto:dlposey-atlanta@...] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:48 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] N44BJ Have purchased N44BJ less engine (O-200). Will be powered with a Corvair when I finish. Does anyone on the list have any info relevant to this Tri-Q ? If so please let me know. It will be greatly appreciated. David Posey dlposey-atlanta@... 112 Timber Ridge Court Woodstock, GA 30188 770.442.0988 Home 678.640.9671 Mobile Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Kevin Fortin <kfortin@...>
David and gang,
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In the below reference to a Corvair engine, my thoughts went back to my dune buggy days. I was never impressed with the engine, but at the time we could buy a complete car for $40.00, so price prevailed. I may be crazy or just uninformed, but my thought was when I read this, I would never want a Corvair engine on anything of mine that might kill me if it quit. Maybe someone has worked out the details of making the Corvair a reliable aviation powerplant but I just wanted to throw out my "terrestrial only" experience with the thing and say; I'm not so sure. I had an engine overheat and seize on 2 occasions. (I have to admit, we weren't too kind to them). If I had the financial choice, (and I admit the O-200 can get a bit spendy) I would go for the aviation engine, which I know is pretty darn crude, but has been proven over the years as pretty darn bulletproof. In any airplane that lands as fast as a Q, wants to avoid an off field landing if at all possible. The landing speeds are so high the probability for "bad" is too high to be ignored. My opinion and nothing more, Kevin Fortin sales@...
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From: David Posey [mailto:dlposey-atlanta@...] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:48 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] N44BJ Have purchased N44BJ less engine (O-200). Will be powered with a Corvair when I finish. Does anyone on the list have any info relevant to this Tri-Q ? If so please let me know. It will be greatly appreciated. David Posey dlposey-atlanta@... 112 Timber Ridge Court Woodstock, GA 30188 770.442.0988 Home 678.640.9671 Mobile Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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David Posey <dlposey-atlanta@...>
Have purchased N44BJ less engine (O-200). Will be powered with a Corvair when I finish. Does anyone on the list have any info relevant to this Tri-Q ? If so please let me know. It will be greatly appreciated.
David Posey dlposey-atlanta@... 112 Timber Ridge Court Woodstock, GA 30188 770.442.0988 Home 678.640.9671 Mobile
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Kevin:
Consider this. Had your car been equipped with an 0-200 Continental engine, I'd bet a dollar to a dime that you would have managed to seize that engine too. Engine management probably was not in your realm of interest back in those days. Consider what success you might have had if you had watched your cylinder head and exhaust gas temperatures. Just imagine. Cheers, Phil
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