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Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...> #19560 Jim: To me "several plys of bid" implies fiberglass. if so, can you give details? Perhaps you and Bob Farnum could be persuaded to do an article? ( I believe several people made belly boards from scratch after QAC went . . . no, even I won't put belly boards and belly-up in the same sentence. Except I guess I just did. Senility is such a great excuse.) Mike Perry toggle quoted message Show quoted text At 03:49 AM 3/3/2005 +0000, you wrote: Joseph, I made my belly board from several plys of bid to about 1/8" thickness. At 550 hours of usage it shows no sign of fatigue. I deploy it for every landing. Board is about 10" x 10". Jim Patillo
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Jim Patillo #19571 Mike, You are correct. Not much detail except the layup was from several plys of fiberglas BID laid on so the each bid was at 45 degrees to the next one. The whole layup is about 1/8" thick and has worked fine for years, even yesterday! Jim P. --- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Perry <dmperry1012@c...> wrote: Jim: To me "several plys of bid" implies fiberglass. if so, can you give details? Perhaps you and Bob Farnum could be persuaded to do an article? ( I believe several people made belly boards from scratch after QAC went . . . no, even I won't put belly boards and belly-up in the same sentence. Except I guess I just did. Senility is such a great excuse.) Mike Perry At 03:49 AM 3/3/2005 +0000, you wrote: Joseph, I made my belly board from several plys of bid to about 1/8" thickness. At 550 hours of usage it shows no sign of fatigue. I deploy it for every landing. Board is about 10" x 10". Jim Patillo
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Needy, William M <williammneedy@...> #19572 I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do? toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Jim Patillo [mailto:logistics_engineering@...] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:12 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board Mike, You are correct. Not much detail except the layup was from several plys of fiberglas BID laid on so the each bid was at 45 degrees to the next one. The whole layup is about 1/8" thick and has worked fine for years, even yesterday! Jim P. --- In Q-LIST@..., Mike Perry <dmperry1012@c...> wrote: Jim: To me "several plys of bid" implies fiberglass. if so, can you give details? Perhaps you and Bob Farnum could be persuaded to do an article? ( I believe several people made belly boards from scratch after QAC went . . . no, even I won't put belly boards and belly-up in the same sentence. Except I guess I just did. Senility is such a great excuse.) Mike Perry At 03:49 AM 3/3/2005 +0000, you wrote: Joseph, I made my belly board from several plys of bid to about 1/8" thickness. At 550 hours of usage it shows no sign of fatigue. I deploy it for every landing. Board is about 10" x 10". Jim Patillo Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129n7biht/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110298340/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/A=2593423/rand=718033487> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Craig P. Steffen <craig@...> #19577 On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote: I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do? I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong: I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding off energy) and land at a slower speed. Craig Steffen -- craig@... public key available at http://www.craigsteffen.net/GPG/ current goal: use a CueCat scanner to inventory my books career goal: be the first Vorlon Time Lord
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Needy, William M <williammneedy@...> #19578 That is what I thought I was picking up too. So... that means that there sort of are "flaps" on a Q? What effect on speed? From the numbers I have heard, I am wondering if it is much. Bill toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Craig P. Steffen [mailto:craig@...] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:55 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote: I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do? I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong: I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding off energy) and land at a slower speed. Craig Steffen -- craig@... public key available at http://www.craigsteffen.net/GPG/ current goal: use a CueCat scanner to inventory my books career goal: be the first Vorlon Time Lord Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h3ahp5/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110305493/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/A=2593423/rand=204019510> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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HawkiDoug <hawkidoug@...> #19584 The belly board is for drag to slow the plane down. As in this design is very clean and doesn't slow down easily. I'm no engineer, but I don't think it increases lift. Doug "Hawkeye" Humble www.asignabove.net Omaha NE N25974 toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig P. Steffen" <craig@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote: I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do? I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong: I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding off energy) and land at a slower speed. Craig Steffen -- craig@... public key available at http://www.craigsteffen.net/GPG/ current goal: use a CueCat scanner to inventory my books career goal: be the first Vorlon Time Lord Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Allan <afarr@...> #19585 As the aircraft slows down (for landing), and you use more back pressure to hold the nose up, the elevators are in effect acting as flaps. toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Needy, William M [mailto:williammneedy@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:24 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board That is what I thought I was picking up too. So... that means that there sort of are "flaps" on a Q? What effect on speed? From the numbers I have heard, I am wondering if it is much. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Craig P. Steffen [mailto:craig@...] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:55 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote: I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do? I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong: I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding off energy) and land at a slower speed. Craig Steffen -- craig@... public key available at http://www.craigsteffen.net/GPG/ current goal: use a CueCat scanner to inventory my books career goal: be the first Vorlon Time Lord Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h3ahp5/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups /S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110305493/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http://www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60190075 <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h3ahp5/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups /S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110305493/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http:/www.netflix.c om/Default?mqso=60190075> > click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/ A=2593423/rand=204019510> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129l9iut5/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups /S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110306264/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http:/www.netflix.c om/Default?mqso=60190075> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/ A=2593423/rand=651511224> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005
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Marinus B. \(Ben\) Bosma <ben@...> #19605 I've never flown w/a belly board but from the geometry I see this is a speed brake. Nothing subtle about it. This is no flap. -Ben N124BB (Q1) _____ From: Needy, William M [mailto:williammneedy@...] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:24 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board That is what I thought I was picking up too. So... that means that there sort of are "flaps" on a Q? What effect on speed? From the numbers I have heard, I am wondering if it is much. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Craig P. Steffen [mailto:craig@...] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:55 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote: I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do? I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong: I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding off energy) and land at a slower speed. Craig Steffen -- craig@... public key available at http://www.craigsteffen.net/GPG/ current goal: use a CueCat scanner to inventory my books career goal: be the first Vorlon Time Lord Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h3ahp5/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110305493/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http://www. netflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2593423/rand=204019510> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129l9iut5/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110306264/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http://www. netflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2593423/rand=651511224> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Needy, William M <williammneedy@...> #19586 Interesting concept. Is the board at optimal size? Meaning a bigger board would not slow it down a little more, but make it fall out of the air? toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Allan [mailto:afarr@...] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 2:15 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board As the aircraft slows down (for landing), and you use more back pressure to hold the nose up, the elevators are in effect acting as flaps. -----Original Message----- From: Needy, William M [mailto:williammneedy@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:24 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board That is what I thought I was picking up too. So... that means that there sort of are "flaps" on a Q? What effect on speed? From the numbers I have heard, I am wondering if it is much. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Craig P. Steffen [mailto:craig@...] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:55 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:26:37AM -0500, Needy, William M wrote: I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do? I am a rookie also, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong: I believe the belly board acts basically like flaps in a conventional airplane. It increases drag and lift. With it deployed, you can decend at a higher rate without overspeeding (due to the BB bleeding off energy) and land at a slower speed. Craig Steffen -- craig@... public key available at http://www.craigsteffen.net/GPG/ current goal: use a CueCat scanner to inventory my books career goal: be the first Vorlon Time Lord Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT < http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h3ahp5/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups /S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110305493/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/* http://www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60190075 < http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129h3ahp5/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups /S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110305493/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http:/www.netflix.c om/Default?mqso=60190075> > click here < http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/ A=2593423/rand=204019510> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service < http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT < http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129l9iut5/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups /S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110306264/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http:/www.netflix.c om/Default?mqso=60190075> click here < http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/ A=2593423/rand=651511224> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service < http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 4/03/2005 Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129194fve/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110309378/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http://www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60190075> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/A=2593423/rand=801727872> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
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Kerri & Mark <kmfitzgerald@...> #19688 William asked what I was thinking. This is great bed time reading...Thanks to you all... Mark Fitz In the payment stage of owning a Q1 toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: "Needy, William M" <williammneedy@...> To: <Q-LIST@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:26 AM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board I am sure this is a dumb rookie question, but what does a belly board do?
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Kerri & Mark <kmfitzgerald@...> #19689 Ben has defined the Belly board as a speed break... would this be a practical mod to a Q1??? for bleeding off speed
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Kerri & Mark <kmfitzgerald@...> #19690 Sorry Team I've been away... If I had read more before opening my mouth I could of kept away from William Needy...I'll just keep quietly reading for a bit longer...
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Robert Bounds #19695 Ben has defined the Belly board as a speed break... would this be a practical mod to a Q1??? for bleeding off speed Nope. Wouldn't do it. The Q-1 has much better visibility and slower landing speeds than the Q-2 and the belly board would just be unnecessary weight and complexity. The Q-1 comes down like a rock in a hard slip. Not needed. Bounds Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Allan <afarr@...> #19700 Speed "break"? toggle quoted message Show quoted text -----Original Message----- From: Kerri & Mark [mailto:kmfitzgerald@...] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:45 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board Ben has defined the Belly board as a speed break... would this be a practical mod to a Q1??? for bleeding off speed Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129gvgsat/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups /S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110710689/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http:/www.netflix.c om/Default?mqso=60190075> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/ A=2593423/rand=101144886> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...> #19701 You can get too much. Peter toggle quoted message Show quoted text ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board Speed "break"? -----Original Message----- From: Kerri & Mark [mailto:kmfitzgerald@...] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 11:45 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Thrust Line & Belly board Ben has defined the Belly board as a speed break... would this be a practical mod to a Q1??? for bleeding off speed Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129gvgsat/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups /S=1705065618:HM/EXP=1110710689/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/http:/www.netflix.c om/Default?mqso=60190075> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/ A=2593423/rand=101144886> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... <mailto:Q-LIST-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Q-LIST/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Q-LIST-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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