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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
'Onyer Steve that makes two of us.
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Peter _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Steve Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 9:14 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] I give! Me either....... Steve Ham ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Harris To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] I give! Jim I have never had to repair for a ground handling problem either. Peter _____ From: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com [mailto:Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com] On Behalf Of Jim Patillo Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 5:11 AM To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups. <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com> com Subject: [Q-LIST] I give! Fellas, Well we've certainly had interesting debates regarding the JB6Pack. We went 20+ years cracking up planes before Bob Farnam and I came out and said "here's how to fix your ground handling problems." Several builders followed suit and have great handling planes. As the shit was stirred and eventually hit the fan, Bob Farnam chose not to back me up publically but thats his style, and I understand. I on the other hand will never be politically correct and say what I think. There are others out there (Sam, Paul, Peter to name a few)that have had success with their own designs. In fact, I think they are still using the original tail wheels as well. Their planes work because they mastered them. BTW they still never answered my question, "How many times they repaired their planes due to ground handling mishaps"? OK Fine. "I didn't do the mods because it creates more fail points". OK Fine but that is simply a fictious statement and has no basis in fact. My only goal ever was been to make these planes safer to handle and fly. God knows we've had enough bad press from knuckleheads smashing their planes, yes even before they get off the ground. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has at least one. Facts on the other hand are different. Facts are facts and having said that, you all know the pro's and cons. I wish you all well and have no interest in commenting further EVER on the JB6Pack on this site. If you want to go this route I am happy to talk to you in private. My e-mail is logistics_engineeri <mailto:logistics_engineering%40msn.com> ng@... <mailto:ng%40msn.com> . I give! Just remember when your ass is on the line and things aren't working just quite the way you thought, there was a fix! Best Regards, Jim Patillo Q200 Novice |
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Steve <sham@...>
Me either.......
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From: Peter Harris To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] I give! Jim I have never had to repair for a ground handling problem either. Peter _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Jim Patillo Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 5:11 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] I give! Fellas, Well we've certainly had interesting debates regarding the JB6Pack. We went 20+ years cracking up planes before Bob Farnam and I came out and said "here's how to fix your ground handling problems." Several builders followed suit and have great handling planes. As the shit was stirred and eventually hit the fan, Bob Farnam chose not to back me up publically but thats his style, and I understand. I on the other hand will never be politically correct and say what I think. There are others out there (Sam, Paul, Peter to name a few)that have had success with their own designs. In fact, I think they are still using the original tail wheels as well. Their planes work because they mastered them. BTW they still never answered my question, "How many times they repaired their planes due to ground handling mishaps"? OK Fine. "I didn't do the mods because it creates more fail points". OK Fine but that is simply a fictious statement and has no basis in fact. My only goal ever was been to make these planes safer to handle and fly. God knows we've had enough bad press from knuckleheads smashing their planes, yes even before they get off the ground. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has at least one. Facts on the other hand are different. Facts are facts and having said that, you all know the pro's and cons. I wish you all well and have no interest in commenting further EVER on the JB6Pack on this site. If you want to go this route I am happy to talk to you in private. My e-mail is logistics_engineeri <mailto:logistics_engineering%40msn.com> ng@.... I give! Just remember when your ass is on the line and things aren't working just quite the way you thought, there was a fix! Best Regards, Jim Patillo Q200 Novice |
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
Jim I have never had to repair for a ground handling problem either.
Peter _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Jim Patillo Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 5:11 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] I give! Fellas, Well we've certainly had interesting debates regarding the JB6Pack. We went 20+ years cracking up planes before Bob Farnam and I came out and said "here's how to fix your ground handling problems." Several builders followed suit and have great handling planes. As the shit was stirred and eventually hit the fan, Bob Farnam chose not to back me up publically but thats his style, and I understand. I on the other hand will never be politically correct and say what I think. There are others out there (Sam, Paul, Peter to name a few)that have had success with their own designs. In fact, I think they are still using the original tail wheels as well. Their planes work because they mastered them. BTW they still never answered my question, "How many times they repaired their planes due to ground handling mishaps"? OK Fine. "I didn't do the mods because it creates more fail points". OK Fine but that is simply a fictious statement and has no basis in fact. My only goal ever was been to make these planes safer to handle and fly. God knows we've had enough bad press from knuckleheads smashing their planes, yes even before they get off the ground. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has at least one. Facts on the other hand are different. Facts are facts and having said that, you all know the pro's and cons. I wish you all well and have no interest in commenting further EVER on the JB6Pack on this site. If you want to go this route I am happy to talk to you in private. My e-mail is logistics_engineeri <mailto:logistics_engineering%40msn.com> ng@.... I give! Just remember when your ass is on the line and things aren't working just quite the way you thought, there was a fix! Best Regards, Jim Patillo Q200 Novice |
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
Jim loosen up man. I love your posts because of your great generosity of
spirit. But don't make the JB6pack compulsory! You don't have a mortgage on new ideas. There are a lot of clever ideas out there and hopefully will be more. We are smarter than you think! Cheers mate ! _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Jim Patillo Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 5:11 AM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] I give! Fellas, Well we've certainly had interesting debates regarding the JB6Pack. We went 20+ years cracking up planes before Bob Farnam and I came out and said "here's how to fix your ground handling problems." Several builders followed suit and have great handling planes. As the shit was stirred and eventually hit the fan, Bob Farnam chose not to back me up publically but thats his style, and I understand. I on the other hand will never be politically correct and say what I think. There are others out there (Sam, Paul, Peter to name a few)that have had success with their own designs. In fact, I think they are still using the original tail wheels as well. Their planes work because they mastered them. BTW they still never answered my question, "How many times they repaired their planes due to ground handling mishaps"? OK Fine. "I didn't do the mods because it creates more fail points". OK Fine but that is simply a fictious statement and has no basis in fact. My only goal ever was been to make these planes safer to handle and fly. God knows we've had enough bad press from knuckleheads smashing their planes, yes even before they get off the ground. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has at least one. Facts on the other hand are different. Facts are facts and having said that, you all know the pro's and cons. I wish you all well and have no interest in commenting further EVER on the JB6Pack on this site. If you want to go this route I am happy to talk to you in private. My e-mail is logistics_engineeri <mailto:logistics_engineering%40msn.com> ng@.... I give! Just remember when your ass is on the line and things aren't working just quite the way you thought, there was a fix! Best Regards, Jim Patillo Q200 Novice |
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Dave Richardson <dave@...>
You know Jim, as I see it, there are at least the following groups out
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there: Those who get it Those who don't get it... yet Those who don't want to get it but might Those who won't get it Those who don't even understand the question (yet, I hope). You have something that works even if it is different than what a few guys "think might" work Those guys are theory without practice. You and the JB6Pack movement are theory WITH practice. It bothers me when guys who haven't even put wheel to ground yet argue against something that is working. We don't know who is reading these emails and making decisions based on comments from the "theory without practice" group and not recognising that rather important fact. I'm not against innovation. I'm not against personalizing a solution. I am against "I am right (even though I haven't tried it yet.)" especially if they don't preface their point with the fact that their position is untested. Jim, you have been a huge evangelist for these improvements. You are obviously enthusiastic about them and yes you can be politcially incorrect with the best of us. Just understand that there are more in your camp than you might know. Dave Richardson Tri-Q2 825DR -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Patillo Sent: Mon 10/23/2006 3:10 PM To: Q-LIST@... Cc: Subject: [Q-LIST] I give! |
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Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
Hey Jim:
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Lighten up. Most of us are convinced, most of the advice I see comes down to: If you are starting fresh do the JB6Pack AND the Gall wheel alignment. If you are further along you may have to make choices; If you have a "uni-body" Q2 you may have to make a hard choices. Then there are a few hard heads, and a few people looking for the last knot who want to do something different. My computer has a delete button for the stuff I don't care about. LIGHTEN UP -- We really do appreciate your efforts. Mike Perry At 07:10 PM 10/23/2006 +0000, you wrote:
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Well we've certainly had interesting debates regarding the JB6Pack. We went 20+ years cracking up planes before Bob Farnam and I came out and said "here's how to fix your ground handling problems." Several builders followed suit and have great handling planes. As the shit was stirred and eventually hit the fan, Bob Farnam chose not to back me up publically but thats his style, and I understand. I on the other hand will never be politically correct and say what I think. There are others out there (Sam, Paul, Peter to name a few)that have had success with their own designs. In fact, I think they are still using the original tail wheels as well. Their planes work because they mastered them. BTW they still never answered my question, "How many times they repaired their planes due to ground handling mishaps"? OK Fine. "I didn't do the mods because it creates more fail points". OK Fine but that is simply a fictious statement and has no basis in fact. My only goal ever was been to make these planes safer to handle and fly. God knows we've had enough bad press from knuckleheads smashing their planes, yes even before they get off the ground. Opinions are like assholes, everybody has at least one. Facts on the other hand are different. Facts are facts and having said that, you all know the pro's and cons. I wish you all well and have no interest in commenting further EVER on the JB6Pack on this site. If you want to go this route I am happy to talk to you in private. My e-mail is logistics_engineering@.... I give! Just remember when your ass is on the line and things aren't working just quite the way you thought, there was a fix! Best Regards, Jim Patillo Q200 Novice |
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MartinErni@...
Jim,
All who agree with your suggestions have accepted them are quietly making the changes and will be grateful that they did. Don't allow the few who disagree the loudest stop you from helping the new guys in the future who do listen and consider your suggestions. Being loud doesn't make them right. Cheers Earnest |
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