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I hate those unplanned maintenance opportunities, glad to hear no damage to
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the pilot. Regards, Charlie In a message dated 1/21/2009 8:33:38 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
wypaul2001@... writes: I know that some you have picked up on the FAA report so here is the lowdown. Saturday I was out burning some avgas so I could buy the new cheaper stuff that is around now. A small airport that has cheap fuel about 100 miles from home was close at hand so down I went. Wind was 25-30 down the runway and touch down a none event. After about 500 ft the plane started pulling hard to the left, thinking that the wind had made a big shift to the left I applied right brake to keep it on the centerline. When that was only partially effective I added power and then things got really interesting. The plane nosed up and I watched in disbelief as the runway turned my prop to splinters. I killed the throttle and quicker than a Quickie wham, down on the tail with an extra pop. Tailspring gone. And that quick it was over. The wind was still down the runway!!!! flat tire on the left had caused all that fun. Sunday I took a trailer and a jigsaw, cut the tailcone off, loaded it (the Plane) on a trailer and brought it home. I have been thinking about cutting the tailcone for easier maintenance so that's done now and I have been thinking about the West Coast tailwheel mod so nows the time for that. Parts are ordered and work begins this weekend. I've posted a picture under "On Trailer" Paul **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023) |
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Paul Spackman
I know that some you have picked up on the FAA report so here is the
lowdown. Saturday I was out burning some avgas so I could buy the new cheaper stuff that is around now. A small airport that has cheap fuel about 100 miles from home was close at hand so down I went. Wind was 25-30 down the runway and touch down a none event. After about 500 ft the plane started pulling hard to the left, thinking that the wind had made a big shift to the left I applied right brake to keep it on the centerline. When that was only partially effective I added power and then things got really interesting. The plane nosed up and I watched in disbelief as the runway turned my prop to splinters. I killed the throttle and quicker than a Quickie wham, down on the tail with an extra pop. Tailspring gone. And that quick it was over. The wind was still down the runway!!!! flat tire on the left had caused all that fun. Sunday I took a trailer and a jigsaw, cut the tailcone off, loaded it (the Plane) on a trailer and brought it home. I have been thinking about cutting the tailcone for easier maintenance so that's done now and I have been thinking about the West Coast tailwheel mod so nows the time for that. Parts are ordered and work begins this weekend. I've posted a picture under "On Trailer" Paul |
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Patrick Panzera <panzera@...>
I'm certainly glad to see that YOU are fine.
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The plane can be fixed. Thanks for sharing. Pat -----Original Message-----Of Paul Spackman |
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Sam Kittle
Paul,
Great to hear you are ok. Sam _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Paul Spackman Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:33 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] Incidence report I know that some you have picked up on the FAA report so here is the lowdown. Saturday I was out burning some avgas so I could buy the new cheaper stuff that is around now. A small airport that has cheap fuel about 100 miles from home was close at hand so down I went. Wind was 25-30 down the runway and touch down a none event. After about 500 ft the plane started pulling hard to the left, thinking that the wind had made a big shift to the left I applied right brake to keep it on the centerline. When that was only partially effective I added power and then things got really interesting. The plane nosed up and I watched in disbelief as the runway turned my prop to splinters. I killed the throttle and quicker than a Quickie wham, down on the tail with an extra pop. Tailspring gone. And that quick it was over. The wind was still down the runway!!!! flat tire on the left had caused all that fun. Sunday I took a trailer and a jigsaw, cut the tailcone off, loaded it (the Plane) on a trailer and brought it home. I have been thinking about cutting the tailcone for easier maintenance so that's done now and I have been thinking about the West Coast tailwheel mod so nows the time for that. Parts are ordered and work begins this weekend. I've posted a picture under "On Trailer" Paul |
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matt_v01
Indeed, glad to hear you are still in good shape and from your post,
it seems like you are not letting it get you down. Excellent. -Matt --- In Q-LIST@..., "Sam Kittle" <skittle@...> wrote: Behalf Of Paul Spackman |
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
Good you are OK Paul. The tail cone mod is worth doing anyway.
Peter _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Paul Spackman Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2009 1:33 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] Incidence report I know that some you have picked up on the FAA report so here is the lowdown. Saturday I was out burning some avgas so I could buy the new cheaper stuff that is around now. A small airport that has cheap fuel about 100 miles from home was close at hand so down I went. Wind was 25-30 down the runway and touch down a none event. After about 500 ft the plane started pulling hard to the left, thinking that the wind had made a big shift to the left I applied right brake to keep it on the centerline. When that was only partially effective I added power and then things got really interesting. The plane nosed up and I watched in disbelief as the runway turned my prop to splinters. I killed the throttle and quicker than a Quickie wham, down on the tail with an extra pop. Tailspring gone. And that quick it was over. The wind was still down the runway!!!! flat tire on the left had caused all that fun. Sunday I took a trailer and a jigsaw, cut the tailcone off, loaded it (the Plane) on a trailer and brought it home. I have been thinking about cutting the tailcone for easier maintenance so that's done now and I have been thinking about the West Coast tailwheel mod so nows the time for that. Parts are ordered and work begins this weekend. I've posted a picture under "On Trailer" Paul |
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Hi Paul,
The pic looks like everything is in good shape. Didn't get much of the prop so the engine should be fine. Bet you get it back in the air in short order. Being able to pull the tail cone is a big plus for maintenance. Hang tuff big 'un Bruce ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the easiest way to save on flowers. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/PnY6rbvE0SrJREnW6AUYWhQNxfRDaBzDtCfF4CmMCGEXu7dVKlEQg/ |
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Sorry to hear all that, Paul. Glad you're okay. If you remember, Dick
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Shapley totaled his Q-200 on the way to Oshkosh. He, too, had a flat tire. He also hit another parked plane, I think it was a Stinson. You have had a sudden engine stoppage and most manufacturers recommend a complete engine tear down. I had a prop strike and the visual damage didn't seem all that bad. A dial indicator check showed there was some wobble at the crankshaft flange. After dissasembly, a magnaflux check revealed a crack right where the crank transitions to the flange. Here is the link to the Continental service bulletin, regarding sudden engine stoppage: http://www.tcmlink.com/pdf2/SB96-11B.pdf Remember, it wasn't just the prop and crank (and tailcone) that suffered. All rotating parts experienced the same thing. Good luck in your repair. How did you get away with not having a tail that comes off, anyway? Sam Hoskins Murphysboro, IL www.samhoskins.blogspot.com On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Paul Spackman <wypaul2001@...> wrote:
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n17pf <fisherpaula@...>
Hi Paul. I am happy to hear you are OK. Doug called me last night
trying to get some information about you which got me worried! Knowing you, you'll probably have it back in the air before the snow melts! Let us know if there is anything we can do to help to get you going again! - Paul --- In Q-LIST@..., "Paul Spackman" <wypaul2001@...> wrote: the lowdown.cheaper stuff that is around now. A small airport that has cheap fuelthe wind had made a big shift to the left I applied right brake to keepnosed up and I watched in disbelief as the runway turned my prop totire on the left had caused all that fun.that's done now and I have been thinking about the West Coast tailwheelmod so nows the time for that. Parts are ordered and work begins this |
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Kevin Boddicker
Paul,
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I too am glad to hear YOU are OK. She'll be better than new in no time. Kevin Boddicker Tri Q 200 N7868B 115.3 hours Luana, IA. On Jan 21, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Paul Spackman wrote:
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
Is there some kind of run flat stuff we could pump into those tyres?
Peter _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2009 10:37 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Incidence report Sorry to hear all that, Paul. Glad you're okay. If you remember, Dick Shapley totaled his Q-200 on the way to Oshkosh. He, too, had a flat tire. He also hit another parked plane, I think it was a Stinson. You have had a sudden engine stoppage and most manufacturers recommend a complete engine tear down. I had a prop strike and the visual damage didn't seem all that bad. A dial indicator check showed there was some wobble at the crankshaft flange. After dissasembly, a magnaflux check revealed a crack right where the crank transitions to the flange. Here is the link to the Continental service bulletin, regarding sudden engine stoppage: http://www.tcmlink. <http://www.tcmlink.com/pdf2/SB96-11B.pdf> com/pdf2/SB96-11B.pdf Remember, it wasn't just the prop and crank (and tailcone) that suffered. All rotating parts experienced the same thing. Good luck in your repair. How did you get away with not having a tail that comes off, anyway? Sam Hoskins Murphysboro, IL www.samhoskins.blogspot.com On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Paul Spackman <wypaul2001@yahoo. <mailto:wypaul2001%40yahoo.com> com> wrote: I know that some you have picked up on the FAA report so here is the |
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Bartholomew Hanson Fisher
I think that a great idea to look in to Maybe foam or some other product
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These dam birds just touch down so fast it is a none issue in more conventional air planes? Bart Fisher tri Q200 Quoting Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>: Is there some kind of run flat stuff we could pump into those tyres? |
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Paul Buckley
I use a self sealing liquid in the tyres of my lawn tractor.
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They get full of thorns but never go flat, maybe just a slow deflation over several weeks at the worst. And I have seen the tyres of a mid size tractor, in a caravan construction factory, literally chock full of screws and nails, with no leakage problem. Paul B. ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Harris To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Incidence report Is there some kind of run flat stuff we could pump into those tyres? Peter _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Sam Hoskins Sent: Thursday, 22 January 2009 10:37 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Incidence report Sorry to hear all that, Paul. Glad you're okay. If you remember, Dick Shapley totaled his Q-200 on the way to Oshkosh. He, too, had a flat tire. He also hit another parked plane, I think it was a Stinson. You have had a sudden engine stoppage and most manufacturers recommend a complete engine tear down. I had a prop strike and the visual damage didn't seem all that bad. A dial indicator check showed there was some wobble at the crankshaft flange. After dissasembly, a magnaflux check revealed a crack right where the crank transitions to the flange. Here is the link to the Continental service bulletin, regarding sudden engine stoppage: http://www.tcmlink. <http://www.tcmlink.com/pdf2/SB96-11B.pdf> com/pdf2/SB96-11B.pdf Remember, it wasn't just the prop and crank (and tailcone) that suffered. All rotating parts experienced the same thing. Good luck in your repair. How did you get away with not having a tail that comes off, anyway? Sam Hoskins Murphysboro, IL www.samhoskins.blogspot.com On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Paul Spackman <wypaul2001@yahoo. <mailto:wypaul2001%40yahoo.com> com> wrote: > I know that some you have picked up on the FAA report so here is the > lowdown. > > Saturday I was out burning some avgas so I could buy the new cheaper > stuff that is around now. A small airport that has cheap fuel > about 100 miles from home was close at hand so down I went. Wind > was 25-30 down the runway and touch down a none event. After about > 500 ft the plane started pulling hard to the left, thinking that the > wind had made a big shift to the left I applied right brake to keep > it on the centerline. When that was only partially effective I > added power and then things got really interesting. The plane nosed > up and I watched in disbelief as the runway turned my prop to > splinters. I killed the throttle and quicker than a Quickie wham, > down on the tail with an extra pop. Tailspring gone. And that > quick it was over. The wind was still down the runway!!!! flat tire > on the left had caused all that fun. > > Sunday I took a trailer and a jigsaw, cut the tailcone off, loaded > it (the Plane) on a trailer and brought it home. I have been > thinking about cutting the tailcone for easier maintenance so that's > done now and I have been thinking about the West Coast tailwheel mod > so nows the time for that. Parts are ordered and work begins this > weekend. > > I've posted a picture under "On Trailer" > > Paul > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1908 - Release Date: 1/21/2009 9:15 PM |
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Bartholomew Hanson Fisher
ya the next issue is Balance at such high speed with that heavy thick
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fluid in there, the weight would also be greatly increased meaning when the tire is not moving more scrub at touchdown maybe weiring to much here but do we know of any one using this on a similar airplane. Bart tri Q200 Quoting Paul Buckley <paulbuckley@...>: I use a self sealing liquid in the tyres of my lawn tractor. |
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Jon Finley <jon@...>
I've been running Slime in my tires for the last 120 hours or so. No
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problems, no flats. http://www.slime.com/index.php I do like the foam idea though. I'm trying to find someone nearby that offers that service - no luck yet. Jon -----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Bartholomew Hanson Fisher Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:01 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Incidence report ya the next issue is Balance at such high speed with that heavy thick fluid in there, the weight would also be greatly increased meaning when the tire is not moving more scrub at touchdown maybe weiring to much here but do we know of any one using this on a similar airplane. Bart tri Q200 Quoting Paul Buckley <paulbuckley@...>: I use a self sealing liquid in the tyres of my lawn tractor. |
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Jon Finley <jon@...>
Very sorry to hear about this Paul. I had a flat in my Q1 once so can
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appreciate the feeling you had - except without the toothpicks flying and tail flopping down parts... ;-) As has already been said, the plane is fixable - glad you were unscathed! While doing the Six-Pack, you should add a second tire to each side for redundancy!! :-) Jon -----Original Message-----
From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Paul Spackman Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:33 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: [Q-LIST] Incidence report I know that some you have picked up on the FAA report so here is the lowdown. Saturday I was out burning some avgas so I could buy the new cheaper stuff that is around now. A small airport that has cheap fuel about 100 miles from home was close at hand so down I went. Wind was 25-30 down the runway and touch down a none event. After about 500 ft the plane started pulling hard to the left, thinking that the wind had made a big shift to the left I applied right brake to keep it on the centerline. When that was only partially effective I added power and then things got really interesting. The plane nosed up and I watched in disbelief as the runway turned my prop to splinters. I killed the throttle and quicker than a Quickie wham, down on the tail with an extra pop. Tailspring gone. And that quick it was over. The wind was still down the runway!!!! flat tire on the left had caused all that fun. Sunday I took a trailer and a jigsaw, cut the tailcone off, loaded it (the Plane) on a trailer and brought it home. I have been thinking about cutting the tailcone for easier maintenance so that's done now and I have been thinking about the West Coast tailwheel mod so nows the time for that. Parts are ordered and work begins this weekend. I've posted a picture under "On Trailer" Paul |
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Mark Keeley <markee1@...>
a good place to look for the foam tire filling would be a tire facility that works on farm tires as they often fill them and most of you seem to be farmers.. heh heh
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Mark Keeley ----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Finley To: Q-LIST@... Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: RE: [Q-LIST] Incidence report I've been running Slime in my tires for the last 120 hours or so. No problems, no flats. http://www.slime.com/index.php I do like the foam idea though. I'm trying to find someone nearby that offers that service - no luck yet. Jon -----Original Message----- From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Bartholomew Hanson Fisher Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:01 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Incidence report ya the next issue is Balance at such high speed with that heavy thick fluid in there, the weight would also be greatly increased meaning when the tire is not moving more scrub at touchdown maybe weiring to much here but do we know of any one using this on a similar airplane. Bart tri Q200 Quoting Paul Buckley <paulbuckley@...>: > I use a self sealing liquid in the tyres of my lawn tractor. > > They get full of thorns but never go flat, maybe just a slow > deflation over several weeks at the worst. > > And I have seen the tyres of a mid size tractor, in a caravan > construction factory, literally chock full of screws and nails, with > no leakage problem. > > Paul B. |
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Paul Spackman
Jon, Check with TDS in Albuquerque for the foam job. The Wingfoot
tire center here will do it for $22.00/tire. I use Slime in my bike tires and it does the job. Paul --- In Q-LIST@..., "Jon Finley" <jon@...> wrote: No problems, no flats.that offers that service - no luck yet.Behalf Of Bartholomew Hanson Fisherthick fluid in there, the weight would also be greatly increasedmeaning when the tire is not moving more scrub at touchdown maybe weiringto much here but do we know of any one using this on a similarairplane. Bart tri Q200with no leakage problem. |
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Pete <strangedays@...>
Bearcat tyres have a silicone based compound that completely fills they tyre and retains a small (and I mean SMALL) amount of flexibility under pressure.
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The only drawback is they need to pierce the tyre opposite the valve to allow the compound to fill it. I'm not sure how this will effect the reliability of the tyre in an aviation application. A hole in the tyre could conceivably lead to a separation under extreme conditions. Cheers. Pete. Peter Harris wrote:
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Peter Harris <peterjfharris@...>
Thanks Pete
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I am waiting on a reply from Bearcat re their utralite foam filler product and will report back. Peter _____ From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 7:41 PM To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Incidence report Bearcat tyres have a silicone based compound that completely fills they tyre and retains a small (and I mean SMALL) amount of flexibility under pressure. The only drawback is they need to pierce the tyre opposite the valve to allow the compound to fill it. I'm not sure how this will effect the reliability of the tyre in an aviation application. A hole in the tyre could conceivably lead to a separation under extreme conditions. Cheers. Pete. Peter Harris wrote:
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