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Martin Skiby
OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines for the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of you about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks like a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too bad for a Q200. Any information would be great.
Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas!
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quickheads
Hey Martin,
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In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair conversion. I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and my project is still under reconstruction. Not sure if this helps your decision at all. Dan Yager QBA Editor www.quickheads.com
OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things
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Joseph M Snow <1flashq@...>
Hello Martin,
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I hope to fly my Q2xx behind the Corvair, 110 hp, sometime soon (my project has just received its Special Airworthiness Dertificate). After the 40 hours, I should be able to tell you much more. Perhaps you would like to look at my web page at www.corvairq.info. If you have specific questions, you can contact me at 1flashq@ameritech.net Joseph Snow Q2xx, N240JS Euclid, Ohio
--- On Thu, 12/23/10, Martin <mskiby@bak.rr.com> wrote:
From: Martin <mskiby@bak.rr.com> Subject: [Q-LIST] Engine Choice To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 23, 2010, 5:21 PM OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines for the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of you about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks like a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too bad for a Q200. Any information would be great. Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Isaksson Roger <scratchdeeper@...>
There is a guy in the KR field that have done a lot of research, and build up a
massive site on the subject of Corvair engines. He's been going through about everything you can't wish for, and finally got it perfected, and you can read all about it, in detail, with a lot of photos. There was a development process, that involved broken cranks, the fix, the solution how to put the additional bearings in place, and as I understand it, now he has a lot of hours on it. You should know that before the application of Corvair engines in the KR aircrafts, there was no broken crankshafts, they probably started to break because of the KR's spirited way of flying, ( too fun to fly, too quick to make turns). The Q aircraft would probably benefit from having the same front bearing modifications as the KR aircrafts if a Corvair engine is choosen.. It seems with the bearing modification to run great now. The reliability is there now. The Corvair engine seem to be a completely worked out car/airplane engine conversion, and following the tech outlined from people that has gone before you, you will save a lot of tears. The appeal with the Corvair engine is with the smoothness it runs, it's relative strong power, and also a very appealing aspect is the cost. If you build up a Corvair engine for airplane application, the engine and model numbers that are not too interesting for the Hot Rodders, are in fact the engines that are desirable for aircraft applications, and therefore you usually get a core "on the cheapy"....the "lesser models" is for our purposes, the much better engine models. There was about 1.7 million Corvair engines produced, and there is still a lot of them around in garages. Bearings, gaskets etc is car part store items. The displacement is really decent, and if you choose to make a big bore version, you will get a whopping 3.1 liter displacement, very close to an O-200, not fully, but very close. You will run higher compression, than a Continental or Lyc ( standard issue) and as it is a 6 banger, you will run more efficient than a 4 cylinder engine. Weight wise you will be lighter ( quite a bit actually) than an O-200. The big bore cylinders are remachined VW cylinders, ( not much machining necessary) so the availability is plenty. There are on the market VW big bore aluminum cylinders with either Nikasil coating, or steel sleve, so you can bring down the weight further that way. The case is aluminum, so you will not have the VW Magnesium case problem where you have to check for cracks on regular basis.(well......check anyway) You should be able to read all about it following this link: www.n56ml.com/corvair/ ....it is a very interesting engine indeed. You will not get a full fledged aircraft engine, and you will get your power on a somewhat elevated RPM compared with a "real" aircraft engine, but it is probably as close as you can get it. You can probably go to a junkyard and get a Fuel injection system from a junked 6 cylinder engine on the cheapy, that have about the same displacement. The intake will still be the problematic top configuration, but the exhaust stack will be much easier to route than a VW. There are some very easily done reconfigurations of the intake manifold, in order to make the engine breath much better, but you need to read, enjoy, dream and plan, when it comes to all those things. The power pulses are overlapping in a 6 cylinder engine, so you will get a very smooth running thing. Overheating may or may not have happened, but unlike like the similar set up Jabiru that have some cooling issues, , it has never been an big issue with the Corvair engine. The Corvair also have a very long track record of flying, It's been up since the -60's, ( I think Pietenpol went first) , and today you will get plenty of advice from the experimental field. You will not start as the lone ranger, instead you can easily duplicate others results. The power you can expect from the engine, is depending on displacement, I have seen figures between 90 HP to 120 HP, however, don't steer yourself blind on any of those numbers though, they really don't mean much, instead concentrate on getting a well built and balanced engine that will fit your application. If you do just that, concentrate on building up a very efficient engine, and get an efficient 2 or 3 bladed prop , you will get all the performance you are asking for.....and then some. You might want to get some structural advice if you got the VW version of the Quickie, because this engine will weightwise fall inbetween a VW and an O-200, however, the power will ( again depending on how you build it), be closer to, equal or maybe even better than an O-200. so my advice here is, if you don't have the Q-200 version, to look closely , and duplicate how the Q-200 is beefed up. Good luck Roger ________________________________ From: Martin <mskiby@bak.rr.com> To: Q-LIST@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 2:21:02 PM Subject: [Q-LIST] Engine Choice OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get things worked out far in advance. I am considering a few alternative engines for the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few of you about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experience with this set up that they would like to share good or bad? It looks like a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not too bad for a Q200. Any information would be great. Thanks all and have a Merry Christmas! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Martin,
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If you are interested in a flight proven Corvair conversion and the parts to make it happen go to William Wynne. His lead time sometimes is very long but his parts are well engineered and the manufacturing is first class. He has been flight testing everything he sells and gives free colleges on building engines, buy his book to start. _http://flycorvair.com_ (http://flycorvair.com) I am doing a Dragonfly/Corvair and there are some pictures on the Yahoo Dragonfly list. _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/lis t_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Dragonflylist/photos/album/1015036301/pic/list) Regards, Charlie Johnson One Sky Dog Ogden, Utah
In a message dated 12/23/2010 6:40:11 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
dan@quickheads.com writes: Hey Martin, In the newsletter that I just sent out Tuesday, there is an article by Joseph Snow about doing the W&B with a corvair engine on a Q-200. Joseph will probably be the first to successfully fly a Q-200 behind a corvair conversion. I am also going to try that route, but as of yet, it is not proven, and my project is still under reconstruction. Not sure if this helps your decision at all. Dan Yager QBA Editor www.quickheads.com OK, I hope I am not jumping too far ahead, but I like to get thingsfor the project. One would be the Jabiru, which I have talked to a few ofyou about. The other I am looking at is the Corvair. Anyone have experiencelike a nice engine and with the bearings supports I have seen maybe not toobad for a Q200. Any information would be great. ------------------------------------ Quickie Builders Association WEB site http://www.quickiebuilders.org Yahoo! Groups Links
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Martin Skiby
Thank Dan, and yes I did read the article in the newsletter. That is what has partially peaked my interest. Just doing research for now.
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Thanks for the help.
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Pat Panzera <panzera@...>
Martin,
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These may help: http://issuu.com/panzera/docs/issue_75 http://issuu.com/panzera/docs/issue_95 Be sure and view them full size. Pat
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Martin Skiby
Thanks Joseph,
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I will be keeping an eye on your progress. I have taken a look at your page and thank you for all the information. You are the reason that I am looking into this. I have a bunch of experience with the 0200 and it has proven a good power plant, but I am also very interested in an alternative that works. There are so many possibilities with the Corvair that interest me. I am anxious to see some numbers on your plean, Thanks
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Martin Skiby
I have spent a bunch of time at this site an they really seem to have this worked out. Great source of info,
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Thanks
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