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Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters

Jim Patillo
 

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass, you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.

Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

One Sky Dog
 

Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:



Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200



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Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

Hi Guys,
 
I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for aviation use.
 
Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.  They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel flow once water contaminated.  I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but never say never.
 
The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.  I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:
 
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
 
Rene
Q2 C-GTCA

--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:


From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM


 



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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britmcman99
 

Poor Jim! Paper filters and all. This is a pretty good point you make if true. It is wise to follow the advise of the high hours guys.

Based on Larry B's recent advice I have been adding a few Viagra Pills to each fill up to improve climb-out performance.

So. Shall we recommend or condemn paper element fuel filters based on this data point?

Phil Lankford


On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for aviation use.

Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters. They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel flow once water contaminated. I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but never say never.

The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters. I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php

Rene
Q2 C-GTCA



--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:

From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.

Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

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Mike Dwyer
 

Sounds like a worthy test. I'm ready to remove my old paper filter. Will do a flow test without and with water added. With all good science experiments, some others should also report results. Mike Q200 N3QP.



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From: Phil Lankford
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:51 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters

Poor Jim! Paper filters and all. This is a pretty good point you make if true. It is wise to follow the advise of the high hours guys.

Based on Larry B's recent advice I have been adding a few Viagra Pills to each fill up to improve climb-out performance.

So. Shall we recommend or condemn paper element fuel filters based on this data point?

Phil Lankford


On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for aviation use.

Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters. They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel flow once water contaminated. I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but never say never.

The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters. I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php

Rene
Q2 C-GTCA



--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:

From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.

Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links





L.J. French <LJFrench@...>
 

I think this is all great feedback and good stuff to consider, but on the lighter side I agree with Phil that Larry's recommendation should not only help you get up faster, but maybe it will help clear out foreign matter in the lines also. So I think I will so start adding some along with my Marvel Mystery oil. Should be a good combination.

LJ

Short & simple from my mobile

On Jul 14, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Phil Lankford <britmcman@...> wrote:

Poor Jim! Paper filters and all. This is a pretty good point you make if true. It is wise to follow the advise of the high hours guys.

Based on Larry B's recent advice I have been adding a few Viagra Pills to each fill up to improve climb-out performance.

So. Shall we recommend or condemn paper element fuel filters based on this data point?

Phil Lankford


On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for aviation use.

Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters. They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel flow once water contaminated. I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but never say never.

The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters. I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php

Rene
Q2 C-GTCA



--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:

From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.

Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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Jim Patillo
 

Poor Phil,

At least I have a flying airplane on a regular basis!

Jim

--- In Q-LIST@..., Phil Lankford <britmcman@...> wrote:

Poor Jim! Paper filters and all. This is a pretty good point you make if true. It is wise to follow the advise of the high hours guys.

Based on Larry B's recent advice I have been adding a few Viagra Pills to each fill up to improve climb-out performance.

So. Shall we recommend or condemn paper element fuel filters based on this data point?

Phil Lankford


On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for aviation use.

Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters. They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel flow once water contaminated. I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but never say never.

The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters. I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php

Rene
Q2 C-GTCA



--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:

From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.

Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

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Chick Masoner <chick@...>
 

Why would you us Pig Fat with red dye in you system?



Chick



From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
L.J. French
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:11 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters





I think this is all great feedback and good stuff to consider, but on the
lighter side I agree with Phil that Larry's recommendation should not only
help you get up faster, but maybe it will help clear out foreign matter in
the lines also. So I think I will so start adding some along with my Marvel
Mystery oil. Should be a good combination.

LJ

Short & simple from my mobile

On Jul 14, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Phil Lankford <britmcman@...
<mailto:britmcman%40aol.com> > wrote:

Poor Jim! Paper filters and all. This is a pretty good point you make if
true. It is wise to follow the advise of the high hours guys.

Based on Larry B's recent advice I have been adding a few Viagra Pills to
each fill up to improve climb-out performance.

So. Shall we recommend or condemn paper element fuel filters based on this
data point?

Phil Lankford


On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...
<mailto:q2robertson%40yahoo.ca> > wrote:

Hi Guys,

I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a
heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for
aviation use.

Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.
They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel
flow once water contaminated. I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but
never say never.

The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.
I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php

Rene
Q2 C-GTCA



--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <mailto:oneskydog%40aol.com>
<oneskydog@... <mailto:oneskydog%40aol.com> > wrote:

From: oneskydog@... <mailto:oneskydog%40aol.com> <oneskydog@...
<mailto:oneskydog%40aol.com> >
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska
in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... <mailto:logistics_engineering%40msn.com>
writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just
mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the
glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because
they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the
point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header
to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger
and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally
fine.

Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

------------------------------------

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links










------------------------------------

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Yahoo! Groups Links


L.J. French <LJFrench@...>
 

Because it looks nice blended with the blue dye in the fuel.
LJ

Short & simple from my mobile

On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:35 PM, "Chick Masoner" <chick@...> wrote:

Why would you us Pig Fat with red dye in you system?



Chick



From: Q-LIST@... [mailto:Q-LIST@...] On Behalf Of
L.J. French
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:11 PM
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters





I think this is all great feedback and good stuff to consider, but on the
lighter side I agree with Phil that Larry's recommendation should not only
help you get up faster, but maybe it will help clear out foreign matter in
the lines also. So I think I will so start adding some along with my Marvel
Mystery oil. Should be a good combination.

LJ

Short & simple from my mobile

On Jul 14, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Phil Lankford <britmcman@...
<mailto:britmcman%40aol.com> > wrote:

Poor Jim! Paper filters and all. This is a pretty good point you make if
true. It is wise to follow the advise of the high hours guys.

Based on Larry B's recent advice I have been adding a few Viagra Pills to
each fill up to improve climb-out performance.

So. Shall we recommend or condemn paper element fuel filters based on this
data point?

Phil Lankford


On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...
<mailto:q2robertson%40yahoo.ca> > wrote:

Hi Guys,

I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a
heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for
aviation use.

Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.
They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel
flow once water contaminated. I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but
never say never.

The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.
I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php

Rene
Q2 C-GTCA



--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <mailto:oneskydog%40aol.com>
<oneskydog@... <mailto:oneskydog%40aol.com> > wrote:

From: oneskydog@... <mailto:oneskydog%40aol.com> <oneskydog@...
<mailto:oneskydog%40aol.com> >
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@... <mailto:Q-LIST%40yahoogroups.com>
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska
in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... <mailto:logistics_engineering%40msn.com>
writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just
mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the
glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because
they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the
point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header
to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger
and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally
fine.

Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links










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Yahoo! Groups Links










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One Sky Dog
 

I have poured water through an old one but I did not mix gas with the water
to see if it would separate or clog the filter. I thought straight water
test would be ok.

I am sure I do not know everything Transport Canada knows.

I know I used them for 500 hours no water no clogging.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/14/2011 1:52:22 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
britmcman@... writes:

Poor Jim! Paper filters and all. This is a pretty good point you make if
true. It is wise to follow the advise of the high hours guys.

Based on Larry B's recent advice I have been adding a few Viagra Pills to
each fill up to improve climb-out performance.

So. Shall we recommend or condemn paper element fuel filters based on this
data point?

Phil Lankford


On Jul 14, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,

I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a
heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for
aviation use.

Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.
They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the
fuel flow once water contaminated. I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds,
but never say never.

The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.
I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php

Rene
Q2 C-GTCA



--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:

From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska
in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah

In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of
getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just
mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the
glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because
they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had
landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the
point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header
to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger
and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally
fine.

Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

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Jim Patillo
 

Rene,

What fuel filters are you using?

Jim P

--- In Q-LIST@..., Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,
 
I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for aviation use.
 
Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.  They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel flow once water contaminated.  I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but never say never.
 
The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.  I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:
 
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
 
Rene
Q2 C-GTCA 
 
 


--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:


From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM


 



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

------------------------------------

Quickie Builders Association WEB site
http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

Hi Jim,
 
I use these from Aircraft Spruce p/n 05-01030 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
They only come in 1/4 barb ends though.  So if you need larger barb ends, I've found these Scat Billet fuel filters with sinthered bronze elements p/n C15-35184A
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C15%2D35184A
Probably also available from your friendly NAPA store.
 
I had also been using paper element fram filters for years and years on my Q2, but three years ago I had to go through a complete Transport Canada inspection and failed because of the paper element filter.  The inspector explained the water retention reason to me and I had to change them out for sinthered element filters.
 
Rene

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jim P <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


From: Jim P <logistics_engineering@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:43 AM


 



Rene,

What fuel filters are you using?

Jim P

--- In Q-LIST@..., Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,
 
I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for aviation use.
 
Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.  They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel flow once water contaminated.  I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but never say never.
 
The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.  I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:
 
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
 
Rene
Q2 C-GTCA 
 
 


--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:


From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM


 



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

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Rick Hole
 

I wonder if the paper filter issue in Canada is related to water freezing in the filter.

Jim Patillo
 

Good point Rick, it does get one hell of a lot colder in Canada than California or Florida and a frozen fuel filter, full of water, wouldn't work so well. Most of the planes in Canada are Aluminum and or Fabric design with metal(sweating)tanks. You can ask on this list, but I don't know of anyone that's had water in their fuel except for the isolated incidence of bad gas.

As stated before; I've used the small glass filters for 1000 hours + on my Q200 and never had a problem. I also check them on a regular basis just as I will do with the paper ones. (If Phil Lankford had a plane he could use paper ones as well)!

It makes sense that with a 30:1 surface ratio, the paper filter would do a much better job.

Having said that............to each his own and continued success on your Q project with Scott! I'm looking forward to seeing it in the air.

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

P.S. Charlie you've got to simmer down now! You've simply lost all patience in your old age with stupidity and ignorance. BTW, will you be back by August 27-28 for our Fly In?






I think you can see from the responses it doesn't appear to be muc of a problem with the guys on this list.

--- In Q-LIST@..., "Rick" <r.hole@...> wrote:

I wonder if the paper filter issue in Canada is related to water freezing in the filter.

Jim Patillo
 

Thanks Rene

--- In Q-LIST@..., Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Jim,
 
I use these from Aircraft Spruce p/n 05-01030 http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
They only come in 1/4 barb ends though.  So if you need larger barb ends, I've found these Scat Billet fuel filters with sinthered bronze elements p/n C15-35184A
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C15%2D35184A
Probably also available from your friendly NAPA store.
 
I had also been using paper element fram filters for years and years on my Q2, but three years ago I had to go through a complete Transport Canada inspection and failed because of the paper element filter.  The inspector explained the water retention reason to me and I had to change them out for sinthered element filters.
 
Rene

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jim P <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:


From: Jim P <logistics_engineering@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:43 AM


 



Rene,

What fuel filters are you using?

Jim P

--- In Q-LIST@..., Rene Robertson <q2robertson@> wrote:

Hi Guys,
 
I don't know if the Fram G3 filter is a paper element filter, but just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda for aviation use.
 
Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.  They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel flow once water contaminated.  I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but never say never.
 
The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.  I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:
 
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
 
Rene
Q2 C-GTCA 
 
 


--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@ <oneskydog@> wrote:


From: oneskydog@ <oneskydog@>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM


 



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@ writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Sam Hoskins
 

Hi Rene.

I ordered a couple of these filters you listed and at first glance I am not
impressed. They are just about tiny, look to be more suited to a lawn mower
than an O-200. Also, the tapered inlet end of the filter looks like it
would be very prone to clogging, even before the contamination could reach
the major part of the filter.

I may toss one in, just to give it a try, but I don't have a high confidence
level, especially for a new aircraft that may still be shedding it's
construction contamination.

Thanks for the info.

Sam


On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>wrote:

**


Hi Jim,

I use these from Aircraft Spruce p/n 05-01030
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
They only come in 1/4 barb ends though. So if you need larger barb ends,
I've found these Scat Billet fuel filters with sinthered bronze elements p/n
C15-35184A
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C15%2D35184A
Probably also available from your friendly NAPA store.

I had also been using paper element fram filters for years and years on my
Q2, but three years ago I had to go through a complete Transport Canada
inspection and failed because of the paper element filter. The inspector
explained the water retention reason to me and I had to change them out for
sinthered element filters.

Rene

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jim P <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

From: Jim P <logistics_engineering@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters

To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:43 AM




Rene,

What fuel filters are you using?

Jim P

--- In Q-LIST@..., Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,
Â
I don't know if the Fram G3Â filter is a paper element filter, but
just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda
for aviation use.
Â
Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.Â
They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel
flow once water contaminated. I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but
never say never.
Â
The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.Â
I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:
Â
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
Â
Rene
Q2 C-GTCAÂ
Â
Â


--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:


From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM


Â



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska
in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just
mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the
glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because
they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the
point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header
to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger
and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally
fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>
 

Hi Sam,
 
When I first received them, I also thought they were a little small, but they have worked well so far.
 
I originally installed them on an Rans S-10 that had to pass the inspection.  It had a Rotax 582 in it that consumes probably as much or more than the O-200 in GPH.  I flew it for over a year with no problems (about 70 hours).
 
I've had them on my Q2 also now for almost 3 years.  I have two installed, one in the line from the main to the header and one from the header to the engine.  Both are under the pane and in an easy place to see (right by my right leg). 
 
One benefit is they are very clear with the fuel in them and it would be very easy to spot contamination I think.
 
I do agree with you that with a newly constructed a/c they may not be the best unless you change them after every flight.
 
I think that there are probably better or larger bronze element filters out there.  I had a hard time finding one when forced to do so with the pressure of passing the inspection.  The aluminum one at Cal Imports is one example.  You can take that one apart and clean it.  It's drawback is that it is not clear and therefore thougher to monitor for contimation.
 
Cheers,
Rene
 
 

From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 12:16:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters

Hi Rene.

I ordered a couple of these filters you listed and at first glance I am not
impressed.  They are just about tiny, look to be more suited to a lawn mower
than an O-200.  Also, the tapered inlet end of the filter looks like it
would be very prone to clogging, even before the contamination could reach
the major part of the filter.

I may toss one in, just to give it a try, but I don't have a high confidence
level, especially for a new aircraft that may still be shedding it's
construction contamination.

Thanks for the info.

Sam


On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...>wrote:

**


Hi Jim,

I use these from Aircraft Spruce p/n 05-01030
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
They only come in 1/4 barb ends though.  So if you need larger barb ends,
I've found these Scat Billet fuel filters with sinthered bronze elements p/n
C15-35184A
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C15%2D35184A
Probably also available from your friendly NAPA store.

I had also been using paper element fram filters for years and years on my
Q2, but three years ago I had to go through a complete Transport Canada
inspection and failed because of the paper element filter.  The inspector
explained the water retention reason to me and I had to change them out for
sinthered element filters.

Rene

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jim P <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

From: Jim P <logistics_engineering@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters

To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:43 AM




Rene,

What fuel filters are you using?

Jim P

--- In Q-LIST@..., Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,
Â
I don't know if the Fram G3Â filter is a paper element filter, but
just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in Canda
for aviation use.
Â
Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element filters.Â
They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the fuel
flow once water contaminated.  I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds, but
never say never.
Â
The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.Â
I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:
Â
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
Â
Rene
Q2 C-GTCAÂ
Â
Â


--- On Wed, 7/13/11, oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...> wrote:


From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM


Â



Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to Alaska
in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of getting
them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just
mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the
glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because
they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had landed
and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the
point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart (header
to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger
and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally
fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

------------------------------------

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http://www.quickiebuilders.org

Yahoo! Groups Links

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Sam Hoskins
 

Thanks Rene. I will give them a try, though they aren't the ideal. I want
a clear filter, so I can verify transfer pump operation during my run-up
check.

BTW, I don't run the pump all the time. I have a 15 minute reminder on my
GPS that says "Check Fuel" so I probably run the pump 50% of my flight time.

Sam

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

**


Hi Sam,

When I first received them, I also thought they were a little small, but
they have worked well so far.

I originally installed them on an Rans S-10 that had to pass the
inspection. It had a Rotax 582 in it that consumes probably as much or more
than the O-200 in GPH. I flew it for over a year with no problems (about 70
hours).

I've had them on my Q2 also now for almost 3 years. I have two installed,
one in the line from the main to the header and one from the header to the
engine. Both are under the pane and in an easy place to see (right by my
right leg).

One benefit is they are very clear with the fuel in them and it would be
very easy to spot contamination I think.

I do agree with you that with a newly constructed a/c they may not be the
best unless you change them after every flight.

I think that there are probably better or larger bronze element filters out
there. I had a hard time finding one when forced to do so with the pressure
of passing the inspection. The aluminum one at Cal Imports is one example.
You can take that one apart and clean it. It's drawback is that it is not
clear and therefore thougher to monitor for contimation.

Cheers,
Rene



From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>

To: Q-LIST@...
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 12:16:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Re: Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters


Hi Rene.

I ordered a couple of these filters you listed and at first glance I am not
impressed. They are just about tiny, look to be more suited to a lawn
mower
than an O-200. Also, the tapered inlet end of the filter looks like it
would be very prone to clogging, even before the contamination could reach
the major part of the filter.

I may toss one in, just to give it a try, but I don't have a high
confidence
level, especially for a new aircraft that may still be shedding it's
construction contamination.

Thanks for the info.

Sam

On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...
wrote:
**


Hi Jim,

I use these from Aircraft Spruce p/n 05-01030
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fuelfilter.php
They only come in 1/4 barb ends though. So if you need larger barb ends,
I've found these Scat Billet fuel filters with sinthered bronze elements
p/n
C15-35184A
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C15%2D35184A
Probably also available from your friendly NAPA store.

I had also been using paper element fram filters for years and years on
my
Q2, but three years ago I had to go through a complete Transport Canada
inspection and failed because of the paper element filter. The inspector
explained the water retention reason to me and I had to change them out
for
sinthered element filters.

Rene

--- On Fri, 7/15/11, Jim P <logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

From: Jim P <logistics_engineering@...>
Subject: [Q-LIST] Re: Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters

To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Friday, July 15, 2011, 2:43 AM




Rene,

What fuel filters are you using?

Jim P

--- In Q-LIST@..., Rene Robertson <q2robertson@...> wrote:

Hi Guys,
Â
I don't know if the Fram G3Â filter is a paper element filter, but
just a heads up about paper element filters, they are illegal here in
Canda
for aviation use.
Â
Transport Canada will not pass any aircraft with paper element
filters.Â
They have been proven to hold any water in the fuel and then block the
fuel
flow once water contaminated. I know this is unlikely in our Q-birds,
but
never say never.
Â
The filters that are recommended are sinthered bronze element filters.Â
I've been using these clear sinthered element filters:
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From: oneskydog@... <oneskydog@...>
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Its Changed! - New Fuel Filters
To: Q-LIST@...
Received: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 7:40 PM


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Jim,

Glad to hear you got rid of the hot rod glass filters. The ratio is 30
square inches to 1 on filter area with the G3.

Good to see you again and you are on the ride list. I am going to
Alaska
in
8 days for 3 weeks so once again progress stops.

Regards,

Charlie Johnson
Ogden, Utah


In a message dated 7/13/2011 5:09:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
logistics_engineering@... writes:

Good Afternoon Charlie,

I took your advise and finally bought Fram G3 fuel filters to replace
my
existing 1" glass ones. They were $3.50 ea. at Walmart.

Over the years, the glass filters worked fine for me but it makes sense
that with 6 times more filter area, I have 6 times less chance of
getting

them plugged up. For anyone still using glass filters, I would just
mention
that even though the filter appears to be clean when viewed thru the
glass,
you have to be very careful and check them on a regular basis because
they
can and will plug up.

Case in point: a few years ago I was called by Tim Iverson who had
landed

and was stuck with his Dragonfly in Modesto, CA. He had flown back from
Oregon and was having engine surges all the way down the coast, to the
point
he was getting very nervous. We took his glass fuel filter apart
(header
to
carb)and found it was totally plugged (I plugged one end with my finger
and
blew into the other, nothing came out, even though it looked totally
fine.


Thanks again for the reminder and adding to my safety level.

Regards,

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

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