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The Offending Puddle
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I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for KPJC in
Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between runway 17 and the displaced threshold. I don't know why I didn't view it as a hazard. Sent via wireless gizmo. Sam
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Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway! A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link: http://goo.gl/ww7PHY I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home. Thanks, Dan Yager QBA Editor www.quickheads.com On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins wrote: I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look forKPJC in Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right betweenrunway 17 and the displaced threshold.view it as a hazard.
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John Hartley
If you zoom in enough, you can see where they painted AROUND the puddle - obviously a reoccurring problem. I don't know the required criteria, but it seems like there should have at least been a notam?
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From: dan@... Date: 09/02/2013 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Q-LIST@... Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an active runway! A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link: http://goo.gl/ww7PHY I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home. Thanks, Dan Yager QBA Editor www.quickheads.com On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins wrote: I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look forKPJC in Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right betweenrunway 17 and the displaced threshold.view it as a hazard. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...>
That runway is a piece of crap and should be permanently closed. Jerry
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On 9/2/2013 9:23 AM, dan@... wrote:
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Skyraider
Sorry, I disagree...
It should not be closed, it should be repaired.. Repaved, or whatever it takes. Too many small airports are falling prey to the housing developers... Leaving fewer and fewer places from which to fly. Charlie On Sep 3, 2013, at 16:47, jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote: That runway is a piece of crap and should be permanently closed. Jerry [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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They beat you to it. They are doing a total renovation, including replacing
the runway next year. Sam Sent via wireless gizmo from somewhere in Kentucky. On Sep 3, 2013 5:47 PM, "jnmarstall" <jnmarstall@...> wrote: ** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
Too little too late
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Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:
They beat you to it. They are doing a total renovation, including replacing
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JMasal@...
Jerry sounds as if he's been in and out of that runway a number of times
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and knows whereof he speaks. True?
j.
-----Original Message----- From: Me To: Q-LIST Cc: Q-LIST Sent: Tue, Sep 3, 2013 9:53 pm Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle Sorry, I disagree...
It should not be closed, it should be repaired.. Repaved, or whatever it takes. Too many small airports are falling prey to the housing developers... Leaving fewer and fewer places from which to fly. Charlie On Sep 3, 2013, at 16:47, jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote: > That runway is a piece of crap and should be permanently closed. Jerry > On 9/2/2013 9:23 AM, dan@... wrote: > > > > > > > > Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an > > active runway! > > > > A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link: > > > > http://goo.gl/ww7PHY > > > > I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're > > both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home. > > > > Thanks, > > Dan > > Yager > > QBA Editor > > www.quickheads.com > > > > On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins > > wrote: > > > > > I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for > > KPJC in > > > Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between > > runway 17 and > > > the displaced threshold. > > > > > > I don't know why I didn't > > view it as a hazard. > > > > > > Sent via wireless gizmo. > > > > > > Sam > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...>
Not true. However, its good to know that I won't be going there
either.
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That's kind of what the FAA said. Sam Sent via wireless gizmo.
On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
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JMasal@...
There is an elephant in the room that no one sees... pilot error.
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FAA regs put the onus on the pilot to know ABSOLUTELY EVERYthing about the flight we are about to take.
Do we do it... NO, and we are all guilty of it and 99% of the time we get away with it.
The puddle didn't jump out and attack Sam.
j. (a past remorseful victim of pilot error)
-----Original Message----- From: Sam Hoskins To: Quickie List Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21 pm Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle That's kind of what the FAA said.
Sam
Sent via wireless gizmo.
On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
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Airnav.com shows this for KPJC:
Phil Lankford
On Sep 2, 2013, at 6:36 AM, John Hartley <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
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Skyraider
Not to cast aspersions, but from where did the takeoff roll begin? Ok.... Pure conjecture, as I wasn't there... Pilot had to either back taxi past it, or thru it or take off from the reciprocal, in order to experience it's power to alter the path of the aircraft. If the latter, he should have been airborne, long before the puddle became a factor. Either of which, in conjecture, points towards the elephant... Charlie
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I'm starting to get pissed off. Read my first post in this thread. Enough. Sam Sent via wireless gizmo.
On Sep 4, 2013 10:00 PM, "Me" <oldjagman@...> wrote:
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Paul Poulsen
The swimming pool is bad enough but you could lose a wheel in the cracks on the runway. Maybe they should consider resealing the runway. Glad you guys are okay. Clear skies Paul
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They are replacing the entire runway next year. A day late and 15 thousand dollars short. Sam
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:54 AM, Paul Poulsen <paul.poulsen1957@...> wrote:
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Mike Perry
Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it. If it's not in a NOTAM how
are we supposed to know? Once we land, what are we supposed to
do?
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The runway is in seriously bad shape and there was no NOTAM. That's an error, but it isn't pilot error. If this happened landing on Farmer Brown's dirt track, or at some sailplane port -- OK, Pilot error. Otherwise, I disagree. Mike Perry
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JMasal@...
Are you serioously asking this Mike Perry??? Get your head outta your hiney and talk to an FAA or NTSB inspector.
Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it. If it's not in a NOTAM how are we supposed to know? Once we land, what are we supposed to do? -----Original Message----- From: Mike Perry To: Q-LIST Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 12:48 pm Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle
Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it. If it's not in a NOTAM how
are we supposed to know? Once we land, what are we supposed to
do?
The runway is in seriously bad shape and there was no NOTAM. That's an error, but it isn't pilot error. If this happened landing on Farmer Brown's dirt track, or at some sailplane port -- OK, Pilot error. Otherwise, I disagree. Mike Perry On 9/4/2013 6:48 PM, JMasal@...
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Paul Buckley
Now now boys!
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It should have been notam'd as a hazard, but as Sam taxied past it and saw it, he should have recognised it as such, regardless. He has actually admitted that he does not know why he didn't, thereby acknowledging that he was at fault in not doing so. And that is what accidents are all about. We have to be vigilant at all times, regardless of external pressures, and that is much easier said than done. Enough said? Paul B. Quoting JMasal@...:
Are you serioously asking this Mike Perry??? Get your head outta your hiney and talk to an FAA or NTSB inspector.
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