The Offending Puddle


Sam Hoskins
 

I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for KPJC in
Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between runway 17 and
the displaced threshold.

I don't know why I didn't view it as a hazard.

Sent via wireless gizmo.

Sam


quickheads
 

Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:


http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
the displaced threshold.

I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.

Sent via wireless gizmo.

Sam


John Hartley
 

If you zoom in enough, you can see where they painted AROUND the puddle - obviously a reoccurring problem. I don't know the required criteria, but it seems like there should have at least been a notam?

-------- Original message --------
From: dan@...
Date: 09/02/2013 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle



Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
the displaced threshold.

I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.

Sent via wireless gizmo.

Sam
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jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

That runway is a piece of crap and should be permanently closed. Jerry

On 9/2/2013 9:23 AM, dan@... wrote:



Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
the displaced threshold.

I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.

Sent via wireless gizmo.

Sam



Skyraider
 

Sorry, I disagree...
It should not be closed, it should be repaired.. Repaved, or whatever it takes.

Too many small airports are falling prey to the housing developers... Leaving fewer and fewer places from which to fly.

Charlie
On Sep 3, 2013, at 16:47, jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

That runway is a piece of crap and should be permanently closed. Jerry
On 9/2/2013 9:23 AM, dan@... wrote:



Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
the displaced threshold.

I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.

Sent via wireless gizmo.

Sam
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Sam Hoskins
 

They beat you to it. They are doing a total renovation, including replacing
the runway next year.

Sam

Sent via wireless gizmo from somewhere in Kentucky.
On Sep 3, 2013 5:47 PM, "jnmarstall" <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

**


That runway is a piece of crap and should be permanently closed. Jerry
On 9/2/2013 9:23 AM, dan@... wrote:



Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
the displaced threshold.

I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.

Sent via wireless gizmo.

Sam
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Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Too little too late

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...> wrote:

They beat you to it. They are doing a total renovation, including replacing
the runway next year.

Sam

Sent via wireless gizmo from somewhere in Kentucky.
On Sep 3, 2013 5:47 PM, "jnmarstall" <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

**


That runway is a piece of crap and should be permanently closed. Jerry
On 9/2/2013 9:23 AM, dan@... wrote:



Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
the displaced threshold.

I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.

Sent via wireless gizmo.

Sam










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JMasal@...
 

Jerry sounds as if he's been in and out of that runway a number of times
and knows whereof he speaks. True?

j.


-----Original Message-----
From: Me
To: Q-LIST
Cc: Q-LIST
Sent: Tue, Sep 3, 2013 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
Sorry, I disagree...
It should not be closed, it should be repaired.. Repaved, or whatever it takes.

Too many small airports are falling prey to the housing developers... Leaving fewer and fewer places from which to fly.

Charlie



On Sep 3, 2013, at 16:47, jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

> That runway is a piece of crap and should be permanently closed. Jerry
> On 9/2/2013 9:23 AM, dan@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
> > active runway!
> >
> > A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:
> >
> > http://goo.gl/ww7PHY
> >
> > I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
> > both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> > Yager
> > QBA Editor
> > www.quickheads.com
> >
> > On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
> > KPJC in
> > > Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
> > runway 17 and
> > > the displaced threshold.
> > >
> > > I don't know why I didn't
> > view it as a hazard.
> > >
> > > Sent via wireless gizmo.
> > >
> > > Sam
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...>
 

Not true.  However, its good to know that I won't be going there either.
J

On 9/4/2013 10:02 AM, JMasal@... wrote:
 

Jerry sounds as if he's been in and out of that runway a number of times

and knows whereof he speaks. True?

j.


-----Original Message-----
From: Me
To: Q-LIST
Cc: Q-LIST
Sent: Tue, Sep 3, 2013 9:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
Sorry, I disagree...
It should not be closed, it should be repaired.. Repaved, or whatever it takes.

Too many small airports are falling prey to the housing developers... Leaving fewer and fewer places from which to fly.

Charlie



On Sep 3, 2013, at 16:47, jnmarstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

> That runway is a piece of crap and should be permanently closed. Jerry
> On 9/2/2013 9:23 AM, dan@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
> > active runway!
> >
> > A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:
> >
> > http://goo.gl/ww7PHY
> >
> > I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
> > both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dan
> > Yager
> > QBA Editor
> > www.quickheads.com
> >
> > On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
> > KPJC in
> > > Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
> > runway 17 and
> > > the displaced threshold.
> > >
> > > I don't know why I didn't
> > view it as a hazard.
> > >
> > > Sent via wireless gizmo.
> > >
> > > Sam
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Sam Hoskins
 

That's kind of what the FAA said.

Sam

Sent via wireless gizmo.

On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
 

If you zoom in enough, you can see where they painted AROUND the puddle - obviously a reoccurring problem. I don't know the required criteria, but it seems like there should have at least been a notam? 

-------- Original message --------
From: dan@...
Date: 09/02/2013 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle


Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

> I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
> Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
> the displaced threshold.
>
> I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.
>
> Sent via wireless gizmo.
>
> Sam

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JMasal@...
 

There is an elephant in the room that no one sees... pilot error.
FAA regs put the onus on the pilot to know ABSOLUTELY EVERYthing about the flight we are about to take.
Do we do it... NO, and we are all guilty of it and 99% of the time we get away with it.
The puddle didn't jump out and attack Sam.

j. (a past remorseful victim of pilot error)


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins
To: Quickie List
Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
That's kind of what the FAA said.
Sam
Sent via wireless gizmo.
On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
 
If you zoom in enough, you can see where they painted AROUND the puddle - obviously a reoccurring problem. I don't know the required criteria, but it seems like there should have at least been a notam? 

-------- Original message --------
From: dan@...
Date: 09/02/2013 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle


Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

> I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
> Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
> the displaced threshold.
>
> I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.
>
> Sent via wireless gizmo.
>
> Sam

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britmcman99
 

Airnav.com shows this for KPJC:

Surface: asphalt, in fair condition
TRANSVERSE CRACK DEVELOPING NEAR TWY A2 CAUSING A DIP IN RY.


Phil Lankford


On Sep 2, 2013, at 6:36 AM, John Hartley <john.hartley1@...> wrote:

 

If you zoom in enough, you can see where they painted AROUND the puddle - obviously a reoccurring problem. I don't know the required criteria, but it seems like there should have at least been a notam? 

-------- Original message --------
From: dan@...
Date: 09/02/2013 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle


Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

> I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
> Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
> the displaced threshold.
>
> I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.
>
> Sent via wireless gizmo.
>
> Sam

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Skyraider
 

Not to cast aspersions, but from where did the takeoff roll begin?

Ok.... Pure conjecture, as I wasn't there...

Pilot had to either back taxi past it, or thru it
 or 
take off from the reciprocal, in order to experience it's power to alter the path of the aircraft.

If the latter, he should have been airborne, long before the puddle became a factor.

Either of which,  in conjecture,  points towards the elephant...

Charlie



On Sep 4, 2013, at 20:48, JMasal@... wrote:

 

There is an elephant in the room that no one sees... pilot error.

FAA regs put the onus on the pilot to know ABSOLUTELY EVERYthing about the flight we are about to take.
Do we do it... NO, and we are all guilty of it and 99% of the time we get away with it.
The puddle didn't jump out and attack Sam.

j. (a past remorseful victim of pilot error)


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
To: Quickie List <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
That's kind of what the FAA said.
Sam
Sent via wireless gizmo.
On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
 
If you zoom in enough, you can see where they painted AROUND the puddle - obviously a reoccurring problem. I don't know the required criteria, but it seems like there should have at least been a notam? 

-------- Original message --------
From: dan@...
Date: 09/02/2013 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle


Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

> I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
> Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
> the displaced threshold.
>
> I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.
>
> Sent via wireless gizmo.
>
> Sam

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Sam Hoskins
 

I'm starting to get pissed off. Read my first post in this thread.

Enough.

Sam

Sent via wireless gizmo.

On Sep 4, 2013 10:00 PM, "Me" <oldjagman@...> wrote:
 

Not to cast aspersions, but from where did the takeoff roll begin?

Ok.... Pure conjecture, as I wasn't there...

Pilot had to either back taxi past it, or thru it
 or 
take off from the reciprocal, in order to experience it's power to alter the path of the aircraft.

If the latter, he should have been airborne, long before the puddle became a factor.

Either of which,  in conjecture,  points towards the elephant...

Charlie



On Sep 4, 2013, at 20:48, JMasal@... wrote:

 

There is an elephant in the room that no one sees... pilot error.

FAA regs put the onus on the pilot to know ABSOLUTELY EVERYthing about the flight we are about to take.
Do we do it... NO, and we are all guilty of it and 99% of the time we get away with it.
The puddle didn't jump out and attack Sam.

j. (a past remorseful victim of pilot error)


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
To: Quickie List <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
That's kind of what the FAA said.
Sam
Sent via wireless gizmo.
On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
 
If you zoom in enough, you can see where they painted AROUND the puddle - obviously a reoccurring problem. I don't know the required criteria, but it seems like there should have at least been a notam? 

-------- Original message --------
From: dan@...
Date: 09/02/2013 9:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Q-LIST@...
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle


Puddle? Looks like a nice swimming hole. . . If it wasn't on an
active runway!

A picture is worth a thousand words, so here's a link:

http://goo.gl/ww7PHY

I'm so sorry Sammy. . . but I'm glad you're
both safe. Please keep us posted on your progress home.

Thanks,
Dan
Yager
QBA Editor
www.quickheads.com

On 2013-09-01 20:23, Sam Hoskins
wrote:

> I was surprised to see that it was well established. Look for
KPJC in
> Google Earth or Maps. The black puddle is there right between
runway 17 and
> the displaced threshold.
>
> I don't know why I didn't
view it as a hazard.
>
> Sent via wireless gizmo.
>
> Sam

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Paul Poulsen
 

The swimming pool is bad enough but you could lose a wheel in the cracks on the runway. Maybe they should consider resealing the runway.
Glad you guys are okay.
Clear skies
Paul


Sam Hoskins
 

They are replacing the entire runway next year. A day late and 15 thousand dollars short.

Sam


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 5:54 AM, Paul Poulsen <paul.poulsen1957@...> wrote:
 

The swimming pool is bad enough but you could lose a wheel in the cracks on the runway. Maybe they should consider resealing the runway.
Glad you guys are okay.
Clear skies
Paul



Mike Perry
 

Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it.  If it's not in a NOTAM how are we supposed to know?  Once we land, what are we supposed to do? 

The runway is in seriously bad shape and there was no NOTAM.  That's an error, but it isn't pilot error.

If this happened landing on Farmer Brown's dirt track, or at some sailplane port -- OK, Pilot error.  Otherwise, I disagree.

Mike Perry

On 9/4/2013 6:48 PM, JMasal@... wrote:
 

There is an elephant in the room that no one sees... pilot error.

FAA regs put the onus on the pilot to know ABSOLUTELY EVERYthing about the flight we are about to take.
Do we do it... NO, and we are all guilty of it and 99% of the time we get away with it.
The puddle didn't jump out and attack Sam.

j. (a past remorseful victim of pilot error)


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins
To: Quickie List
Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
That's kind of what the FAA said.
Sam
Sent via wireless gizmo.
On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
 


Bartholomew Hanson Fisher
 


JMasal@...
 

Are you serioously asking this Mike Perry??? Get your head outta your hiney and talk to an FAA or NTSB inspector.
Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it.  If it's not in a NOTAM how are we supposed to know?  Once we land, what are we supposed to do? 



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Perry
To: Q-LIST
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it.  If it's not in a NOTAM how are we supposed to know?  Once we land, what are we supposed to do? 

The runway is in seriously bad shape and there was no NOTAM.  That's an error, but it isn't pilot error.

If this happened landing on Farmer Brown's dirt track, or at some sailplane port -- OK, Pilot error.  Otherwise, I disagree.

Mike Perry

On 9/4/2013 6:48 PM, JMasal@... wrote:
 
There is an elephant in the room that no one sees... pilot error.
FAA regs put the onus on the pilot to know ABSOLUTELY EVERYthing about the flight we are about to take.
Do we do it... NO, and we are all guilty of it and 99% of the time we get away with it.
The puddle didn't jump out and attack Sam.

j. (a past remorseful victim of pilot error)


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins
To: Quickie List
Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle

 
That's kind of what the FAA said.
Sam
Sent via wireless gizmo.
On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote:
 


Paul Buckley
 

Now now boys!

It should have been notam'd as a hazard, but as Sam taxied past it and saw it,
he should have recognised it as such, regardless.
He has actually admitted that he does not know why he didn't, thereby
acknowledging that he was at fault in not doing so.

And that is what accidents are all about.
We have to be vigilant at all times, regardless of external pressures, and that
is much easier said than done.
Enough said?

Paul B.

Quoting JMasal@...:

Are you serioously asking this Mike Perry??? Get your head outta your hiney and talk to an FAA or NTSB inspector.

Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it. If it's not in a NOTAM how are we supposed to know? Once we land, what are we supposed to do?




-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Perry <dmperry1012@...>
To: Q-LIST <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 5, 2013 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle






Excuse me Jim, but I don't get it. If it's not in a NOTAM how are we supposed to know? Once we land, what are we supposed to do?

The runway is in seriously bad shape and there was no NOTAM. That's an error, but it isn't pilot error.

If this happened landing on Farmer Brown's dirt track, or at some sailplane port -- OK, Pilot error. Otherwise, I disagree.

Mike Perry


On 9/4/2013 6:48 PM, JMasal@... wrote:




There is an elephant in the room that no one sees... pilot error.

FAA regs put the onus on the pilot to know ABSOLUTELY EVERYthing about the flight we are about to take.

Do we do it... NO, and we are all guilty of it and 99% of the time we get away with it.

The puddle didn't jump out and attack Sam.




j. (a past remorseful victim of pilot error)



-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Hoskins <sam.hoskins@...>
To: Quickie List <Q-LIST@...>
Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2013 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] The Offending Puddle







That's kind of what the FAA said.

Sam

Sent via wireless gizmo.

On Sep 4, 2013 6:53 PM, "John Hartley" <john.hartley1@...> wrote: