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Mike Dwyer
Hi Guys,Well this isn't my typical we had fun flight report. But you gotta take the good with the bad. Saturday we flew down to Venice FL for lunch. An absolutely perfect day, 75F light winds, hardly a cloud in the sky, low humidity. If every day in FL was like that we'd have a population of 100 Million in FL but because it's mostly scorching hot and 99% humidity when it's not raining with mosquito's that can carry away small children we only have 20 Million... anyway back to the flight report.
I flew at low power for the 30 minutes down the beach. I was shooting 3D video, figured it would be fun to have the whole beach recorded. We climbed into the pattern at Venice and got behind a Cessna on Downwind. Those things are slow, surprised they can actually fly at that speed... So we dragged the Q200 in behind the Cessna at idle speed. Landed. Darn half the taxi ways are closed so we had to taxi a long long time to the restaurant. Toward the end of the taxi the engine started missing. Weird, it's never done that. I got parked and powered up do do a mag check, both systems were running like crap. Oh well, let's have lunch.
After lunch we fired her back up and the poor 0-200A was running like crap. I thought I'd get away from the ramp and in the open somewhere and run some real power to it. Wow it was banging, wheezing, acting like I was just turning the mag switches off and on. Never did that in the 29 years I've been flying her. I kinda wondered if I could make it back to the tie down ramp.
With no tools or parts we rented a car and drove home in shame. A couple of buds at the home airport thought it might be bad gas, fowled plugs, stuck valve, intake issue,...
So today (Sunday) I loaded the rental car with my 4 spare plugs, hoses, tubes, duct tape!, torque wrench... At Venice I checked everything over, looks good. I drained the carb bowl, nice gas and good fuel flow, it's not gas. I pulled the top plugs, #1 was soaked in oil, #3 was black as night, the other two just looked bad. I put the new plugs in the top and the best from the top into the #1 bottom (oil soaked). Then I figured I'd fire her up and see what happens. Started great and ran great, just like it's supposed to. So I figure I might as well go to full power and see what happens. If I starts popping I'll abort the take off. She climbed out great, took her to 4500 and headed home. Not a miss, no issues. A beautiful day with some clouds at 3000', just enough to make it pretty.
The Q200 is back in her hangar. I think I'll pay a lot more attention to cleaning the plugs on a regular schedule. I had no idea plugs could make it run so bad! She's going to get a good looking over this week.
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Hi Mike,
Do you lean on the ground?
Having had plug fouling when my LongEz had an 0-235, I'm now in the habit of leaning while taxing, right to the point where any more leaning will shut it down. No more fouled plugs :^)
Bill Allen LongEz160 N99BA FD51 CZ4 G-BYLZ EGBJ
On 19 October 2014 22:50, Mike Dwyer q2pilot@... [Q-LIST] <Q-LIST@...> wrote:
Hi Guys,Well this isn't my typical we had fun flight report. But you gotta take the good with the bad. Saturday we flew down to Venice FL for lunch. An absolutely perfect day, 75F light winds, hardly a cloud in the sky, low humidity. If every day in FL was like that we'd have a population of 100 Million in FL but because it's mostly scorching hot and 99% humidity when it's not raining with mosquito's that can carry away small children we only have 20 Million... anyway back to the flight report.
I flew at low power for the 30 minutes down the beach. I was shooting 3D video, figured it would be fun to have the whole beach recorded. We climbed into the pattern at Venice and got behind a Cessna on Downwind. Those things are slow, surprised they can actually fly at that speed... So we dragged the Q200 in behind the Cessna at idle speed. Landed. Darn half the taxi ways are closed so we had to taxi a long long time to the restaurant. Toward the end of the taxi the engine started missing. Weird, it's never done that. I got parked and powered up do do a mag check, both systems were running like crap. Oh well, let's have lunch.
After lunch we fired her back up and the poor 0-200A was running like crap. I thought I'd get away from the ramp and in the open somewhere and run some real power to it. Wow it was banging, wheezing, acting like I was just turning the mag switches off and on. Never did that in the 29 years I've been flying her. I kinda wondered if I could make it back to the tie down ramp.
With no tools or parts we rented a car and drove home in shame. A couple of buds at the home airport thought it might be bad gas, fowled plugs, stuck valve, intake issue,...
So today (Sunday) I loaded the rental car with my 4 spare plugs, hoses, tubes, duct tape!, torque wrench... At Venice I checked everything over, looks good. I drained the carb bowl, nice gas and good fuel flow, it's not gas. I pulled the top plugs, #1 was soaked in oil, #3 was black as night, the other two just looked bad. I put the new plugs in the top and the best from the top into the #1 bottom (oil soaked). Then I figured I'd fire her up and see what happens. Started great and ran great, just like it's supposed to. So I figure I might as well go to full power and see what happens. If I starts popping I'll abort the take off. She climbed out great, took her to 4500 and headed home. Not a miss, no issues. A beautiful day with some clouds at 3000', just enough to make it pretty.
The Q200 is back in her hangar. I think I'll pay a lot more attention to cleaning the plugs on a regular schedule. I had no idea plugs could make it run so bad! She's going to get a good looking over this week.
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I wonder if the long time at low power led to fouled
plugs. You were at low altitude where we usually run full rich,
BUT: "I flew at low power for the 30
minutes down the beach. . . got behind a Cessna on Downwind. . .
dragged the Q200 in behind the Cessna at idle speed."
Perhaps you need to lean the engine at lower power settings even
at low altitude.
Mike
On 10/19/2014 1:50 PM, Mike Dwyer
q2pilot@... [Q-LIST] wrote:
Hi
Guys,
Well
this isn't my typical we had fun flight report. But you
gotta take the good with the bad.
Saturday
we flew down to Venice FL for lunch. An absolutely
perfect day, 75F light winds, hardly a cloud in the sky,
low humidity. If every day in FL was like that we'd
have a population of 100 Million in FL but because it's
mostly scorching hot and 99% humidity when it's not
raining with mosquito's that can carry away small
children we only have 20 Million... anyway back to the
flight report.
I
flew at low power for the 30 minutes down the beach. I
was shooting 3D video, figured it would be fun to have
the whole beach recorded. We climbed into the pattern
at Venice and got behind a Cessna on Downwind. Those
things are slow, surprised they can actually fly at that
speed... So we dragged the Q200 in behind the Cessna at
idle speed. Landed. Darn half the taxi ways are closed
so we had to taxi a long long time to the restaurant.
Toward the end of the taxi the engine started missing.
Weird, it's never done that. I got parked and powered
up do do a mag check, both systems were running like
crap. Oh well, let's have lunch.
After
lunch we fired her back up and the poor 0-200A was
running like crap. I thought I'd get away from the ramp
and in the open somewhere and run some real power to
it. Wow it was banging, wheezing, acting like I was
just turning the mag switches off and on. Never did
that in the 29 years I've been flying her. I kinda
wondered if I could make it back to the tie down ramp.
With
no tools or parts we rented a car and drove home in
shame. A couple of buds at the home airport thought it
might be bad gas, fowled plugs, stuck valve, intake
issue,...
So
today (Sunday) I loaded the rental car with my 4 spare
plugs, hoses, tubes, duct tape!, torque wrench... At
Venice I checked everything over, looks good. I drained
the carb bowl, nice gas and good fuel flow, it's not
gas. I pulled the top plugs, #1 was soaked in oil, #3
was black as night, the other two just looked bad. I
put the new plugs in the top and the best from the top
into the #1 bottom (oil soaked). Then I figured I'd
fire her up and see what happens. Started great and ran
great, just like it's supposed to. So I figure I might
as well go to full power and see what happens. If I
starts popping I'll abort the take off. She climbed out
great, took her to 4500 and headed home. Not a miss, no
issues. A beautiful day with some clouds at 3000', just
enough to make it pretty.
The
Q200 is back in her hangar. I think I'll pay a lot more
attention to cleaning the plugs on a regular schedule.
I had no idea plugs could make it run so bad! She's
going to get a good looking over this week.
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Sam Hoskins
I agree with this. Extended taxiing can certainly foul plugs. However, a check list is imperative to make sure you don't take off lean. Ask me how I know.
Sam
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Hi Mike,
Do you lean on the ground?
Having had plug fouling when my LongEz had an 0-235, I'm now in the habit of leaning while taxing, right to the point where any more leaning will shut it down. No more fouled plugs :^)
Bill Allen LongEz160 N99BA FD51 CZ4 G-BYLZ EGBJ
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Mike Dwyer
Yes, I do lean at low power and taxi... but on taxi I don't lean to the point of engine stopage. I think I'll start agressively leaning. I also have an issue with a tired engine and get 4 hours per qt. This oil probably increases my fowling.
Mike Q200
Hi Mike,
Do you lean on the ground?
Having had plug fouling when my LongEz had an 0-235, I'm now in the habit of leaning while taxing, right to the point where any more leaning will shut it down. No more fouled plugs :^)
Bill Allen LongEz160 N99BA FD51 CZ4 G-BYLZ EGBJ
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Bruce Crain
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Sam Hoskins
Yes they can. Ask me how I know.
Sam
Sent via wireless gizmo.
An electronic ignition doesn't carbon up like a mag. Also could it be that your mag needs to be refurbished? A hotter spark might help. Just throwing it out there for conjecture. Bruce ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Mike Dwyer q2pilot@... [Q-LIST]" < Q-LIST@...> To: Q-LIST@...Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight Report Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:50:37 -0400 Hi Guys,Well this isn't my typical we had fun flight report. But you gotta take the good with the bad. Saturday we flew down to Venice FL for lunch. An absolutely perfect day, 75F light winds, hardly a cloud in the sky, low humidity. If every day in FL was like that we'd have a population of 100 Million in FL but because it's mostly scorching hot and 99% humidity when it's not raining with mosquito's that can carry away small children we only have 20 Million... anyway back to the flight report. I flew at low power for the 30 minutes down the beach. I was shooting 3D video, figured it would be fun to have the whole beach recorded. We climbed into the pattern at Venice and got behind a Cessna on Downwind. Those things are slow, surprised they can actually fly at that speed... So we dragged the Q200 in behind the Cessna at idle speed. Landed. Darn half the taxi ways are closed so we had to taxi a long long time to the restaurant. Toward the end of the taxi the engine started missing. Weird, it's never done that. I got parked and powered up do do a mag check, both systems were running like crap. Oh well, let's have lunch. After lunch we fired her back up and the poor 0-200A was running like crap. I thought I'd get away from the ramp and in the open somewhere and run some real power to it. Wow it was banging, wheezing, acting like I was just turning the mag switches off and on. Never did that in the 29 years I've been flying her. I kinda wondered if I could make it back to the tie down ramp. With no tools or parts we rented a car and drove home in shame. A couple of buds at the home airport thought it might be bad gas, fowled plugs, stuck valve, intake issue,... So today (Sunday) I loaded the rental car with my 4 spare plugs, hoses, tubes, duct tape!, torque wrench... At Venice I checked everything over, looks good. I drained the carb bowl, nice gas and good fuel flow, it's not gas. I pulled the top plugs, #1 was soaked in oil, #3 was black as night, the other two just looked bad. I put the new plugs in the top and the best from the top into the #1 bottom (oil soaked). Then I figured I'd fire her up and see what happens. Started great and ran great, just like it's supposed to. So I figure I might as well go to full power and see what happens. If I starts popping I'll abort the take off. She climbed out great, took her to 4500 and headed home. Not a miss, no issues. A beautiful day with some clouds at 3000', just enough to make it pretty. The Q200 is back in her hangar. I think I'll pay a lot more attention to cleaning the plugs on a regular schedule. I had no idea plugs could make it run so bad! She's going to get a good looking over this week.
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Mike Dwyer
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Hey Sammy, I sometimes wonder if I would have been better off pulling my electronic ignition leads to the bottom plugs and running my mag leads to the top. The bottom plugs are wet from oil leaking down on them after shut down. They also have lead in them when the electronic ignition plugs don't. I can't remember do you have electronic ignition on both top and bottom? Bruce ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@... [Q-LIST]" < Q-LIST@...> To: Quickie List < Q-LIST@...> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Flight Report Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:21:57 -0500 Yes they can. Ask me how I know. Sam Sent via wireless gizmo. On Oct 19, 2014 8:45 PM, "' jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" < Q-LIST@...> wrote: An electronic ignition doesn't carbon up like a mag. Also could it be that your mag needs to be refurbished? A hotter spark might help. Just throwing it out there for conjecture. Bruce ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Mike Dwyer q2pilot@... [Q-LIST]" < Q-LIST@...> To: Q-LIST@...Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight Report Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:50:37 -0400 Hi Guys,Well this isn't my typical we had fun flight report. But you gotta take the good with the bad. Saturday we flew down to Venice FL for lunch. An absolutely perfect day, 75F light winds, hardly a cloud in the sky, low humidity. If every day in FL was like that we'd have a population of 100 Million in FL but because it's mostly scorching hot and 99% humidity when it's not raining with mosquito's that can carry away small children we only have 20 Million... anyway back to the flight report. I flew at low power for the 30 minutes down the beach. I was shooting 3D video, figured it would be fun to have the whole beach recorded. We climbed into the pattern at Venice and got behind a Cessna on Downwind. Those things are slow, surprised they can actually fly at that speed... So we dragged the Q200 in behind the Cessna at idle speed. Landed. Darn half the taxi ways are closed so we had to taxi a long long time to the restaurant. Toward the end of the taxi the engine started missing. Weird, it's never done that. I got parked and powered up do do a mag check, both systems were running like crap. Oh well, let's have lunch. After lunch we fired her back up and the poor 0-200A was running like crap. I thought I'd get away from the ramp and in the open somewhere and run some real power to it. Wow it was banging, wheezing, acting like I was just turning the mag switches off and on. Never did that in the 29 years I've been flying her. I kinda wondered if I could make it back to the tie down ramp. With no tools or parts we rented a car and drove home in shame. A couple of buds at the home airport thought it might be bad gas, fowled plugs, stuck valve, intake issue,... So today (Sunday) I loaded the rental car with my 4 spare plugs, hoses, tubes, duct tape!, torque wrench... At Venice I checked everything over, looks good. I drained the carb bowl, nice gas and good fuel flow, it's not gas. I pulled the top plugs, #1 was soaked in oil, #3 was black as night, the other two just looked bad. I put the new plugs in the top and the best from the top into the #1 bottom (oil soaked). Then I figured I'd fire her up and see what happens. Started great and ran great, just like it's supposed to. So I figure I might as well go to full power and see what happens. If I starts popping I'll abort the take off. She climbed out great, took her to 4500 and headed home. Not a miss, no issues. A beautiful day with some clouds at 3000', just enough to make it pretty. The Q200 is back in her hangar. I think I'll pay a lot more attention to cleaning the plugs on a regular schedule. I had no idea plugs could make it run so bad! She's going to get a good looking over this week. ____________________________________________________________
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Sam Hoskins
I am using the RWS fuel injection and ignition system, which I believe is no longer available. Electronic ignition is supplied by Chevy LS1 coils and goes to the bottom plugs and my magneto goes to the aviation style top plugs. During this engine break-in period, I've had quite a bit of problems with fouling the lower automotive style plugs, during long taxi runs. Generally, I've been able to clear the fouling by running the engine up to 1700 or more rpm and leaning it way out.
I once attended a seminar with Mike Busch, EAA's engine guru, and he recommended having an extremely lean mixture during all taxi operations. The thing is, you've got to remember to get it back to rich position for takeoff.
Sam
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Hey Sammy, I sometimes wonder if I would have been better off pulling my electronic ignition leads to the bottom plugs and running my mag leads to the top. The bottom plugs are wet from oil leaking down on them after shut down. They also have lead in them when the electronic ignition plugs don't. I can't remember do you have electronic ignition on both top and bottom? Bruce ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Sam Hoskins sam.hoskins@... [Q-LIST]" < Q-LIST@...> To: Quickie List < Q-LIST@...> Subject: Re: [Q-LIST] Flight Report Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:21:57 -0500 Yes they can. Ask me how I know. Sam Sent via wireless gizmo. On Oct 19, 2014 8:45 PM, "' jcrain2@...' jcrain2@... [Q-LIST]" < Q-LIST@...> wrote: An electronic ignition doesn't carbon up like a mag. Also could it be that your mag needs to be refurbished? A hotter spark might help. Just throwing it out there for conjecture. Bruce ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Mike Dwyer q2pilot@... [Q-LIST]" < Q-LIST@...> To: Q-LIST@...Subject: [Q-LIST] Flight Report Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:50:37 -0400 Hi Guys,Well this isn't my typical we had fun flight report. But you gotta take the good with the bad. Saturday we flew down to Venice FL for lunch. An absolutely perfect day, 75F light winds, hardly a cloud in the sky, low humidity. If every day in FL was like that we'd have a population of 100 Million in FL but because it's mostly scorching hot and 99% humidity when it's not raining with mosquito's that can carry away small children we only have 20 Million... anyway back to the flight report. I flew at low power for the 30 minutes down the beach. I was shooting 3D video, figured it would be fun to have the whole beach recorded. We climbed into the pattern at Venice and got behind a Cessna on Downwind. Those things are slow, surprised they can actually fly at that speed... So we dragged the Q200 in behind the Cessna at idle speed. Landed. Darn half the taxi ways are closed so we had to taxi a long long time to the restaurant. Toward the end of the taxi the engine started missing. Weird, it's never done that. I got parked and powered up do do a mag check, both systems were running like crap. Oh well, let's have lunch. After lunch we fired her back up and the poor 0-200A was running like crap. I thought I'd get away from the ramp and in the open somewhere and run some real power to it. Wow it was banging, wheezing, acting like I was just turning the mag switches off and on. Never did that in the 29 years I've been flying her. I kinda wondered if I could make it back to the tie down ramp. With no tools or parts we rented a car and drove home in shame. A couple of buds at the home airport thought it might be bad gas, fowled plugs, stuck valve, intake issue,... So today (Sunday) I loaded the rental car with my 4 spare plugs, hoses, tubes, duct tape!, torque wrench... At Venice I checked everything over, looks good. I drained the carb bowl, nice gas and good fuel flow, it's not gas. I pulled the top plugs, #1 was soaked in oil, #3 was black as night, the other two just looked bad. I put the new plugs in the top and the best from the top into the #1 bottom (oil soaked). Then I figured I'd fire her up and see what happens. Started great and ran great, just like it's supposed to. So I figure I might as well go to full power and see what happens. If I starts popping I'll abort the take off. She climbed out great, took her to 4500 and headed home. Not a miss, no issues. A beautiful day with some clouds at 3000', just enough to make it pretty. The Q200 is back in her hangar. I think I'll pay a lot more attention to cleaning the plugs on a regular schedule. I had no idea plugs could make it run so bad! She's going to get a good looking over this week. ____________________________________________________________
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