#### KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Bruce Crain

Leaves a presenting target for “Diabolo”!
B

On Apr 16, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:

﻿
Be ware, there are some things you can't unsee!!!!

On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Photos available upon request.
JM

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/16/20 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Charlie,

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

Cheers,

Jay

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

One Sky Dog

On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

﻿

So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

﻿ There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce

On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Richard Thomson

Yes its ankle angle thats a killer for me too, and have been experimenting with cable length to try and get the most comfortable pedal position during several hours of "Cockpit Familiarisation".

I managed to get my elbow behind my head during the under panel activities, but obviously not as supple as Jay yet. In fact, do not believe I have ever been that good a contortionist  !!!

Rich T.

On 16/04/2020 15:48, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

One Sky Dog

On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

﻿

So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

﻿ There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce

On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Kevin Boddicker

Be ware, there are some things you can't unsee!!!!

On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Photos available upon request.
JM

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/16/20 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Charlie,

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

Cheers,

Jay

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

One Sky Dog

On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

﻿

So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

﻿ There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce

On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...>

Photos available upon request.
JM

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/16/20 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Charlie,

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

Cheers,

Jay

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

One Sky Dog

On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

﻿

So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

﻿ There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce

On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Jay Scheevel

Hi Charlie,

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

Cheers,

Jay

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

One Sky Dog

On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

﻿

So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

﻿ There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce

On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

One Sky Dog

Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:

﻿

So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

﻿ There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce

On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Richard Thomson

So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

﻿ There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce

On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

One Sky Dog

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

Bruce

On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Bruce Crain

Bruce

On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Corbin <c_geiser@...>

Brilliant.....now researching foam options and might even could put in the foam from previous seat.  Love this group.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 11:49 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

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Corbin
N33QR

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Bruce Crain

I didn’t say it would relax in time.  I think that was the upholstery guy.  I said it relaxes when it gets warm from your butt sitting on it.
Bruce

On Apr 14, 2020, at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

﻿Corbin.

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

﻿Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

﻿
The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!
Bruce

From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:26:21 -0000

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Bruce Crain

Normally they put 3 pieces of 1" foam with the stiffest being on the bottom and the softest on the top.  Is you foam only one piece?  I kind of like what Reg said.  "Sand the foam down where  your butt sits" if it is only one piece.  If it is 3 pieces just take out one or 2 of the 1" foams.  If it is one piece you can order the one inch foam and cut to size and let your upholstery guy or gal refit.
Surely your upholsterer can size the leather down to fit without much trouble.
Bruce

From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:53:55 -0000

Corbin <c_geiser@...>

Hmm....the shop says it will conform but I am sure it is also high quality so maybe it will take longer than I am thinking.  I might look into the sanding method and just deal with loose leather.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:50 AM, "Reginald Clarke via groups.io" <airryder@...> wrote:

Comment on foam,
If the foam is a cheaper (low density) and or open cell foam it will compress over time and stop bouncing back. If it’s a good quality foam ( high density closed cell furniture foam type) it’s may take years for it to compress because it keeps pushing back according to pressure on it there for can be comfortable but it needs to be shaped. What I would consider is taking out foam and sanding it down and dish out the foam  with 40 to 80 grit sandpaper to the shape you want move.

Reg C

On Apr 15, 2020, at 07:38, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Yes, basically the weights will help it compress once body weight is on it.  Otherwise, it expands again when no weight is on it.  In other words, my new seats and my old seats are the same thickness  when  side by side and no weight.  But the old seats compress much more since they are already broken in.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:24 AM, "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain \$ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!
Bruce

From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:26:21 -0000

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Reginald Clarke <airryder@...>

Comment on foam,
If the foam is a cheaper (low density) and or open cell foam it will compress over time and stop bouncing back. If it’s a good quality foam ( high density closed cell furniture foam type) it’s may take years for it to compress because it keeps pushing back according to pressure on it there for can be comfortable but it needs to be shaped. What I would consider is taking out foam and sanding it down and dish out the foam  with 40 to 80 grit sandpaper to the shape you want move.

Reg C

On Apr 15, 2020, at 07:38, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

﻿
Yes, basically the weights will help it compress once body weight is on it.  Otherwise, it expands again when no weight is on it.  In other words, my new seats and my old seats are the same thickness  when  side by side and no weight.  But the old seats compress much more since they are already broken in.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:24 AM, "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain \$ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!
Bruce

From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...>
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Yes, basically the weights will help it compress once body weight is on it.  Otherwise, it expands again when no weight is on it.  In other words, my new seats and my old seats are the same thickness  when  side by side and no weight.  But the old seats compress much more since they are already broken in.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:24 AM, "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain \$ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

One Sky Dog

On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!
Bruce

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Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain \$ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

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I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!
Bruce

From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...>
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:26:21 -0000

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I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!
Bruce

From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:26:21 -0000

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Before I had my seats made, I bought one of those rolled up camping pads (1/4” - 3/8” thick) From Walmart; I cut it to fit perfectly...no complaints, it served its purpose. 👍

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On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:

﻿Interesting, the one and only time I've ever sat in mine. My head (I'm 6'3") hit the canopy in the right seat (full padding) and left seat was fine (extensive sitz marks). I thought the curve of the felt good, even without the pad. I bet a thin backpacking pad would work well in a pinch.

Martin Skiby

Corbin.

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

﻿Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

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The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!
Bruce

From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...>
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