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Richard Thomson
Still beats me Jay, I am still working on the Goes !! :-)
Rich T.
On 13/12/2021 13:21, Jay Scheevel
wrote:
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No touch and goes on my home runway yet. I do them on the longer
runway across town. I’m getting better though so eventually I will
do them on the short runway.
Cheers,
Jay
On Dec 13, 2021, at 2:39 AM, Richard
Thomson <richard@...> wrote:
Wow Jay, you can do touch and goes, that must be a long
runway !
On 11/12/2021 20:41, Jay
Scheevel wrote:
To Kevin’s point about them all
being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted
leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine
with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is
in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and
landing. Whatever works. You need to test this during
your flight test period, so I would suggest you not
put hard stops in until you have tested.
The range of the reflexor can be
extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of
10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have
full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full
down. They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I
need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and
go. (I have a tri-gear)
Cheers,
Jay
Anthony,
From memory. I believe the
limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up
according to plans.
I have never flown my plane with
any trailing edge down setting.
They are all hand built. So yours
may be different.
Kevin
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30
AM, Anthony P <solarant@...>
wrote:
Very interesting and
informative as always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and
maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not
flying and needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would
reduce lift on the main wing and increase
aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps,
as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from
their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means
deflect control surface up?
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Jay Scheevel
No touch and goes on my home runway yet. I do them on the longer runway across town. I’m getting better though so eventually I will do them on the short runway.
Cheers,
On Dec 13, 2021, at 2:39 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:
Wow Jay, you can do touch and goes, that must be a long runway !
On 11/12/2021 20:41, Jay Scheevel
wrote:
To Kevin’s point about them all being hand
built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down
relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor
deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and
deflected down for cruise and landing. Whatever works. You
need to test this during your flight test period, so I would
suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.
The range of the reflexor can be extended
beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down
and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness
with mine deflected full down. They serve as “flaps” when I
am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a
touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)
Cheers,
Jay
Anthony,
From memory. I believe the limits on the
reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.
I have never flown my plane with any
trailing edge down setting.
They are all hand built. So yours may be
different.
Kevin
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM,
Anthony P <solarant@...>
wrote:
Very interesting and informative as
always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a
terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and
needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce
lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in
flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their
reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect
control surface up?
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Richard Thomson
Wow Jay, you can do touch and goes, that must be a long runway !
On 11/12/2021 20:41, Jay Scheevel
wrote:
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To Kevin’s point about them all being hand
built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down
relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor
deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and
deflected down for cruise and landing. Whatever works. You
need to test this during your flight test period, so I would
suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested.
The range of the reflexor can be extended
beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down
and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness
with mine deflected full down. They serve as “flaps” when I
am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a
touch and go. (I have a tri-gear)
Cheers,
Jay
Anthony,
From memory. I believe the limits on the
reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans.
I have never flown my plane with any
trailing edge down setting.
They are all hand built. So yours may be
different.
Kevin
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM,
Anthony P <solarant@...>
wrote:
Very interesting and informative as
always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a
terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and
needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce
lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in
flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their
reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect
control surface up?
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Q2 N86KL
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Jay Scheevel
There is a range of relative angle of wing-to-canard incidence (decalage) and it is a unique for every Q-type aircraft. I measured a pretty fair number of these (22 planes at last count). I did these measurements first hand and found that there was almost 6 degrees range of decalage through all of the planes I measured. In aerodynamic terms, 6 degrees is a large range. Jerry is relaying a very real story about his planes behavior with reflexor, but his wing decalage is about 4.5 degrees different than mine (his favoring nose pitching down relative to mine), thus he will be using trailing edge up reflexor and I will be using trailing edge down reflexor in identical phases of flight. Everyone will tend to give the best advice relative to their own experience in their own plane, so this is why you will hear legitimately different advice from different Q pilots. In my opinion, it is best not to use reflexor at all at first, but be ready to apply it gradually when you know how much you need it if you are in the initial stages of test flying. Then only make small changes in a safe flight environment. When you are ready to begin using the reflexor for landings, you can simulate landings at 3 or 4 thousand feet AGL, to see if you can arrest any sink while using your landing configuration and power settings. If you cannot change a decent into level or a climb with full aft stick, then you are in the unpleasant territory that Jerry mentions and you need to revise your reflexor settings discipline prior to trying to land it with reflexor. If you want to know where your decalage is in the spectrum, I have developed a reliable method of measuring the decalage and I would be happy to help you do those measurements prior to flying if you want contact me offline. If you want to review what I have written up on this subject. Have a look at the following: http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/Scheevel_impact_of_decalage.pdf http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part1.pdf http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part2.pdf http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/All_Text_and_figures_Part3.pdf Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jerry Marstall Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 5:28 PM To: Q-list <main@q-list.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time Beware of trailing edge down reflexer. It can over power the elevator and drive you into the dirt. Nearly happened to me. Reversing the reflexer saved me. I have since put a stop so it can't go past neutral. Jerry On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 3:41 PM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote: To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing. Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested. The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down. They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear) Cheers, Jay Anthony, From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans. I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting. They are all hand built. So yours may be different. Kevin On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote: Very interesting and informative as always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?
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Beware of trailing edge down reflexer. It can over power the elevator and drive you into the dirt. Nearly happened to me. Reversing the reflexer saved me. I have since put a stop so it can't go past neutral. Jerry
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 3:41 PM Jay Scheevel < jay@...> wrote: To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing. Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested. The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down. They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear) Cheers, Jay Anthony, From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans. I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting. They are all hand built. So yours may be different. Kevin
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote: Very interesting and informative as always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?
--
Q2 N86KL
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Jay Scheevel
To Kevin’s point about them all being hand built: My wing is intentionally mounted leading edge down relative to plans. I never fly mine with the reflexor deflected trailing edge up! Mine is in trail at takeoff and deflected down for cruise and landing. Whatever works. You need to test this during your flight test period, so I would suggest you not put hard stops in until you have tested. The range of the reflexor can be extended beyond the plans limits. Mine go to a max of 10 degrees down and 6 degrees up, and I still have full aileron effectiveness with mine deflected full down. They serve as “flaps” when I am landing, but I need to pull them to neutral if I am doing a touch and go. (I have a tri-gear) Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Boddicker Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 12:53 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time Anthony, From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans. I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting. They are all hand built. So yours may be different. Kevin
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P <solarant@...> wrote: Very interesting and informative as always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?
--
Q2 N86KL
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Anthony, From memory. I believe the limits on the reflector are 2° down and 6° up according to plans. I have never flown my plane with any trailing edge down setting. They are all hand built. So yours may be different.
On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Anthony P < solarant@...> wrote:
Very interesting and informative as always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?
--
Q2 N86KL
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Very interesting and informative as always. Thanks everyone.
Follow-up on a comment by Chris Walterson and maybe a terminology lesson for me.
Chris was talking about the main wing not flying and needed to "add reflexor"
When I think of adding reflexor, that would reduce lift on the main wing and increase aircraft pitch.
It sounds like what he did was to add flaps, as in flaperons.
Is this correct?
How much "down aileron" can people get from their reflexor system?
I would have thought none because reflex means deflect control surface up?
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Q2 N86KL
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Waiting...waiting...waiting to be let into this meeting.
Maybe I should get the hint?
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Bruce Crain
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On Dec 10, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Paul Fisher <rv7a.n18pf@...> wrote:
I wonder why they keep letting him out!!
Paul I wonder how much time Bruce has spent in prison? LOL, Mike Dwyer
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:24 PM Bruce Crain < jcrain2@...> wrote: Alas I will be in prison again! Would have loved to be with you all!
Blessings! Merry Christmas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Sam Hoskins" < sam.hoskins@...> To: main@Q-List.groups.ioSubject: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 14:27:39 -0800
This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session. This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
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Join Zoom Meeting
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I wonder why they keep letting him out!!
Paul
I wonder how much time Bruce has spent in prison? LOL, Mike Dwyer
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:24 PM Bruce Crain < jcrain2@...> wrote: Alas I will be in prison again! Would have loved to be with you all!
Blessings! Merry Christmas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Sam Hoskins" < sam.hoskins@...> To: main@Q-List.groups.ioSubject: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 14:27:39 -0800
This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session. This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Q-List Zoom - Ask the Pilots
Time: Dec 11, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
Join Zoom Meeting
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I wonder how much time Bruce has spent in prison? LOL, Mike Dwyer
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 7:24 PM Bruce Crain < jcrain2@...> wrote: Alas I will be in prison again! Would have loved to be with you all!
Blessings! Merry Christmas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Sam Hoskins" < sam.hoskins@...> To: main@Q-List.groups.ioSubject: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 14:27:39 -0800
This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session. This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Q-List Zoom - Ask the Pilots
Time: Dec 11, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
Join Zoom Meeting
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Bruce Crain
Alas I will be in prison again! Would have loved to be with you all!
Blessings! Merry Christmas!
Bruce and Honey Lamb
---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Sam Hoskins" <sam.hoskins@...> To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: [Q-List] Reminder: Q-List Zoom meeting - Ask the Pilots - Saturday 11 December - 0900 Central Time Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 14:27:39 -0800
This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session. This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Q-List Zoom - Ask the Pilots
Time: Dec 11, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
Join Zoom Meeting
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Meeting ID: 741 4587 6920
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Sam Hoskins
This month, instead of a Q-Tour, let's have an Ask the Pilots Q&A session. This is a chance for newbies, builders and wanabes to ask the guys who are actually flying those burning questions you have. This session will most likely NOT be uploaded to YouTube.
As always, don't log in until 9:00.
Sam Hoskins is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
Topic: Q-List Zoom - Ask the Pilots
Time: Dec 11, 2021 09:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada)
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us04web.zoom.us/j/74145876920?pwd=T0tlRmJIdGFncHJKTUJqNWt4eU5pQT09
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