Q2 Rescue Project
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Looking for conversations with folks who are willing to share advice and pitfalls on a Q2 rescue project with me. I have built experimental planes before, I do panels, I do much of the handy work myself but I always like to listen before I embark on something like this and appreciate anyone willing to spend some time with me on the phone or video.
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Robert, where are you located? What part of what country do you live? This is a global group.
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Phil Lankford On Apr 14, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:
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Me and the plane are located in Northern California, thanks for asking
-- Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid (408) 805-5450 www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos www.theflyingfriscos.com Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane. |
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Whose plane are you considering?Most of us know all the Q2’s in that neighborhood.
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Cheers, Jay On Apr 14, 2022, at 8:54 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:
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Potential project plane is in Watsonville CA, next to the EAA hangar. I attached a photo for reference but don't go and take it from me 😉
 -- Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid (408) 805-5450 www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos www.theflyingfriscos.com Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane. |
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Looks like an early Q2. The canard is a GU and the engine is likely a revmaster. Appears to have the original canopy opening (side hinge), set up for the pilot to fly from the right seat.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Schmid
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2022 12:10 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Rescue Project
Potential project plane is in Watsonville CA, next to the EAA hangar. I attached a photo for reference but don't go and take it from me 😉 |
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Excuse the question but what's a GU canard?
-- Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid (408) 805-5450 www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos www.theflyingfriscos.com Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane. |
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"GU" = Glasgow University. A high lift, laminar flow airfoil originally developed for man powered flight experiments, Burt Rutan adopted it for his early canard designs. The experts can correct or update my info... Kris On Sat, Apr 16, 2022, 9:35 PM Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote: Excuse the question but what's a GU canard? |
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Is that bad?
-- Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid (408) 805-5450 www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos www.theflyingfriscos.com Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane. |
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The early Q2’s with the GU were sensitive to moisture or bugs contaminating the airflow and reducing lift of the canard. Quickie went to the LS1 canard in response. Later GU builders found that vortex generators applied to the GU canard solved the contamination problems. There is more detail to this comparison of the two types, but basically that is the history in a nutshell.
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The plane you are looking at doesn’t have vortex generators so you would be well advised to add them if you take on the project. Cheers, Jay On Apr 16, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote:
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Ahhh i saw those on another quickie, good to know, thanks
-- Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid (408) 805-5450 www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos www.theflyingfriscos.com Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane. |
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Mike Steinsland
Robert, my concern looking at that project from a bodyman perspective is the one big giveaway I see, that is the moss and mould on the outside. Granted some of that is just plain old dirt and tree droppings. I'm pretty sure most of that will polish off. What it does indicate to me though is dampness, it doesnt help that it appears to be sitting on dirt. I would spend the time to look at all the steel ( metal) parts for corrosion. One area that quickly comes to mind that will cause a lot of grief because of corrosion is where the controls go into the elevators and ailerons . The tubes slide one inside the other. As well, the tubes also slide inside some close tolerance brackets that will not allow for any corrosion. As many on this site will attest it's very hard to get those apart if there is any corrosion. Check the tail wheel spring as well, it's the low point and any water will head down that way. My 2 cents Cheers On Sun., Apr. 17, 2022, 1:59 a.m. Robert Schmid, <robert@...> wrote: Ahhh i saw those on another quickie, good to know, thanks |
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Mike Dwyer
Robert must be an engineer because he answered the question but missed what the question actually was. So the GU airfoil was used on the first Q2's. The internal construction had a fiberglass spar that ended about 4feet from the tips. In a hard landing the canard tended to break at that spot. The second problem was if you got bugs on the leading edge or flew thru the rain it could take two hands holding the stick back to keep level flight. Quickie then wanted to add the heavier 0-200a engine so they went with the thinner LS1 airfoil. This airfoil was thinner so a mandral wound carbon fiber spar, full length, was needed. This eliminated both above problems. Q200's were designed with the LS1. Q2's the GU. Happy Easter, Mike Dwyer On Sat, Apr 16, 2022, 10:35 PM Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote: Excuse the question but what's a GU canard? |
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Can I put an O-200 on a Q2 body with the GU foil?
-- Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid (408) 805-5450 www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos www.theflyingfriscos.com Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane. |
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The short answer is yes. Quickie Aircraft Company said no, but they were selling LS1 kits by then. Enough people have put the O-200 on the Q2 with a GU canard, that I think they have proven you can do that successfully. I would get in touch with Martin Skiby and his son, who finished a conversion of a GU Q2 with an O-200 and did a really nice job on it. Corbin Geiser now owns that and both Corbin and Martin monitor this group, so if they are keen to talk they will tell you.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Schmid
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 9:55 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Rescue Project
Can I put an O-200 on a Q2 body with the GU foil? |
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FYI - Jim Doyle and Larry Weishaur designed and flew an LS-1 canard, without the elusive QAC carbon fiber spars. It started as a taildragger, then they changed toa Tri-Q after a groundloop incident, who suspect was due to wheel alignment issues. On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 2:03 PM Robert Schmid <robert@...> wrote: Looking for conversations with folks who are willing to share advice and pitfalls on a Q2 rescue project with me. I have built experimental planes before, I do panels, I do much of the handy work myself but I always like to listen before I embark on something like this and appreciate anyone willing to spend some time with me on the phone or video. |
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Thanks Jay, I'll reach out to Martin.
-- Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid (408) 805-5450 www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos www.theflyingfriscos.com Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane. |
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Hey Robert, I look forward to meeting you in the next month or so to look over those airplane bones you are thinking about.
The reason you got the reaction you did, is some of us have been in Quickie World for a very long time. We’ve seen it all. It seems every couple of years we get newbies pop up on this list and want to start reinventing the Quickie. That’s fine but it may be
a hard sell here. We have 3 types of people in this group.
We’ve found the 0200 engine to be very reliable and hard to kill. They work, period. My 0200 has never let me down. Paul Spackman tested and proved the 6-cylinder Jabiru engine (we ran together in Laughlin) The Jab-6 wasn't
as fast as my pumped 0200. Jon Finley tested and proved the Suburu but spent many years doing so. These designs and engines take a long time and as Jay said, require a higher skill set.
If your objective is to fly a Q sooner than later, stick with proven, reliable engines.
Regards,
Jim
N46JP - Q200
1,856 hours
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Robert Schmid <robert@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 12:22:36 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Rescue Project Thanks Jay, I'll reach out to Martin.
-- Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid (408) 805-5450 www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos www.theflyingfriscos.com Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane. |
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I am the kind of person that likes to hear options and hear what others have done. I guess in terms of pilots vs builders, I haven't really figured that out but maybe in the middle because I like building too. Having said that, I have no interest reinventing the Quickie so ...
At this point I am leaning towards an O-200 with the SDS EFI, VGs on the GU canard, glass panel and some of the handy little mods I saw on your plane (tank fill, turtle deck, ...) Too far Off? Really what I am missing is sitting in one, hopefully yours soon and truly fall in love with the Quickie all around. Deeply appreciate your input and help, Robert -- Robert "TheFrisco" Schmid (408) 805-5450 www.facebook.com/TheFlyingFriscos www.theflyingfriscos.com Love building planes almost as much as flying. Latest completed build is "Loki", a Chinook Plus 2 bush plane. |
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Sounds like you are talking about creating an almost exact copy of what Jason Skiby restored/built and what Corbin has (after he finishes his glass panel on the same airplane). I should think you could get the information you need from them. Jason and Martin Skiby are in Bakersfield. Corbin is in Dallas.
Jim Patillo is in Livermore about half his time and close to you, so he is a great resource for the O-200 installation, and is a first hand resource for the “Jim Bob 6 pack”. Jim is also familiar with the original build of the plane that Jason started out with.
Looks like the damage you pointed out in your pictures is relatively minor, but tap test all around is a good idea in any case. We all do that with every annual inspection.
Good luck.
Cheers, Jay Scheevel, Tri-Q2 N8WQ, 209 hours
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Schmid
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 12:09 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 Rescue Project
I am the kind of person that likes to hear options and hear what others have done. I guess in terms of pilots vs builders, I haven't really figured that out but maybe in the middle because I like building too. Having said that, I have no interest reinventing the Quickie so ... |
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