Q2 down
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Looks like it was a VW powered Q2, flying from British Columbia to Florida. Single pilot. Need at least 10,000 MSL to clear that pass. No prop damage, so probably an engine out,https://www.wyomingnews.com/news/local_news/plane-crashes-near-i-80-no-one-hurt/article_3b454c0e-4dd4-11ed-bbcf-e3a8b9e07205.html
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I flew over this same place coming back from Kevin’s FOD a few weeks ago. Winds are commonly strong and gusty so can complicate things. May have been an issue for a “low lander” at high density altitude with no engine. Cheers, Jay On Oct 17, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Mike via groups.io <n7000t@...> wrote:
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Fredd Baber
Jay- are saying it was maybe above it’s max ceiling at 10,000MSL? And that may have caused the engine out? What is the max ceiling for a VW engine powered Q2 or Dfly?
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Thanks Fredd Baber On Oct 17, 2022, at 10:40 PM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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Edwin Medina
I hear about other airplanes using the same engine going above 12,000 ft. Will be nice to know exactly what engine was, I have a Revmaster just to have that in my mind Ed On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 9:37 AM Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:
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Looks like the engine was not running, so I don’t think it was a performance question.
What I am saying, since the airplane is based in Vancouver, so that the pilot would have a lot to handle, first with the engine out, next with the density altitude that was likely over 11,000’, then with wind and possibly gusty wind. Was a good landing, all of that considered.
My thought is that she went for the pavement, but probably broke the canard on the road and then veered off into the sage brush. Not a bad strategy, actually, given those conditions!
Also looks like new blacktop with a huge shoulder drop off.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fredd Baber
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 7:37 AM To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 down
Jay- are saying it was maybe above it’s max ceiling at 10,000MSL? And that may have caused the engine out? What is the max ceiling for a VW engine powered Q2 or Dfly?
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Fredd Baber
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Edwin Medina
Jay I agree we are just curious what happens to learn from that! In my case I'm still rebuilding my Quickie and never flew one before and want to learn! Ed On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:21 AM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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Not to get too far over my skis here, but when I did the comprehensive summary of Q accident statistics (http://n8wq.scheevel.com/documents/Quickie Type Aircraft Accident Analysis.pdf ), I found that the number one cause of engine failure was actually a failure in fuel delivery (Fuel starvation due to fuel delivery problem or fuel exhaustion). This is not unlike the statistics in homebuilts in general, so is important even if not building a Q.
I have tested my fuel delivery system’s reliability from near sea level to 18,000 feet. I find that my system does behave differently depending on altitude. By this, I mean not just mixture and carburetion, but flow through fuel lines, pumps, induction air and regulator all behave differently. If you have not tested your fuel system for robust reliability at all altitudes within your altitude envelope, then caution is warranted as you expand the envelope, because the fuel flow may suddenly become unreliable.
So indirectly, going to your original question, your engine-altitude performance may be a complicating issue, because in high terrain, you may not be able to maintain sufficient AGL to glide to a safe landing area if an engine problem develops.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edwin Medina
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 8:26 AM To: main@q-list.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] Q2 down
Jay I agree we are just curious what happens to learn from that! In my case I'm still rebuilding my Quickie and never flew one before and want to learn! Ed
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:21 AM Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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Fredd,
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Ceiling on a VW is 10,500 to 11,500 depending on pressure system high or low. You can get higher in low pressure areas as the air is generally rising. I flew my 1835cc 157JG Dragonfly along I-80 at least a dozen times. You can do it under 9000 MSL but I was always over that. Regards, On Tuesday, October 18, 2022, 6:37 AM, Fredd Baber <freddb43@...> wrote:
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Mike Steinsland
Does this look like it
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gbrighton@...
Again and Again .. Have thought for ages that our High
Stall sport planes should have 'Arrester Chutes' fitted ... wish/thought
some bright spark would have something on the market way before now .... Glad
pilot was ok .... !!,
Cheers
Graham.
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Michael Dunning
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:39 AM, Mike Steinsland wrote:
Sure does to me... Nice sleuthing. -- -MD #2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building) |
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When your dream turns into a nightmare. At least he can get a trailer to it. John Hoxie God is good always. ALL WAYS.
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 04:37:20 PM MDT, <gbrighton@...> wrote:
Again and Again .. Have thought for ages that our High
Stall sport planes should have 'Arrester Chutes' fitted ... wish/thought
some bright spark would have something on the market way before now .... Glad
pilot was ok .... !!,
Cheers
Graham.
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John,
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It is a unique experience to be flying along nicely and then have things go to crap. It has happened to me twice in my Tri-Pacer I was able to make an airport landing. In the Dragonfly after I survived the landing my first thought was what if this happened 10 miles further away from a town? No personal locating beacon, a 121.5 ELT and cold. It has been a nightmare!  I have repaired it to a flying condition ( No Lindy) and have done one short test flight. I did not like the urban development around the airport. I also did not like the congested controlled airspace that gave little room to fly within reach of the airport should an emergency occur. You can see in the short videos all the buildings to hit. I disassembled it and trailered it to E95 last weekend to its new home. This weekend I will have help to start reassembly. Then start preparing for test flying in Pilot controlled airspace with lots of desert and a 6% grade to the fields in the river bottom. Unlimited climb out over the runway for test flights. Hopefully the nightmare is over and I can end up with a trust worthy airplane again. On Wednesday, October 19, 2022, 5:16 PM, John Hoxie via groups.io <hoxdesigns@...> wrote:
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