KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
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Corbin <c_geiser@...>
Thanks Jim. What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing? Silicone? Corbin On April 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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I believe you can get them from AC Spruce with sticky tape you just peel and put on wing.
Jim
N46JP Q200
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Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:36:28 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie Thanks Jim. What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing? Silicone?
Corbin
On April 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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Here is the page describing installing those available from Spruce. You can replace, whenever you accidentally (or intentionally) knock one off:
https://www.stolspeed.com/installing-vortex-generators
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:59 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
I believe you can get them from AC Spruce with sticky tape you just peel and put on wing.
Jim N46JP Q200
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Thanks Jim. What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing? Silicone?
Corbin
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Corbin <c_geiser@...>
I have tons of VG's, the metal style also sold on Spruce. However, the white ones are appealing for a cleaner look. Hmm... Corbin On April 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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VG highly recommended for GU losing lift on the canard is not a fun time.
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On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:
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From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land. That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.
Bruce Crain
The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.
Cheers,
Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.
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Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit? 😊
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land. That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway. Bruce Crain
The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.
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Martin Skiby
Corbin, If you happen to find some rain you will be very very happy you have them. The GU canard will head to the ground if it smells water.
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We put on 1/2 the normal amount if it worked well, but without any you could get a very bad surprise. ----------------------------------------- From: "Corbin via groups.io"
To: main@Q-List.groups.io Cc: main@Q-List.groups.io Sent: Monday April 13 2020 8:15:01AM Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie So I should put my VG's back on, huh? I have been considering doing that. I only flew once or twice without them (not at gross) and couldn't tell a difference but wasn't really paying attention either. Corbin On April 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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Martin Skiby
Silicone is what we used to put them on with Corbin yes. Works well ----------------------------------------- From: "Corbin via groups.io"To: main@Q-List.groups.io Cc: Sent: Monday April 13 2020 8:36:32AM Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie Thanks Jim. What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing? Silicone? Corbin On April 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:
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Corbin <c_geiser@...>
Thanks Martin! Corbin On April 13, 2020 at 12:21 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:
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Michael Dunning
Jim,
It would be great to know if the 1,325 lb number comes from structural limit testing or just plain ol' running out of aft CG. Do you fly in Normal Category above 1,100 lb? Q-talk 129 - So What Is Your Gross Weight? -- -MD #2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building) |
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Corbin please give me a call.
Jim N46JP Q200 |
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What is your name MD? Don't recognize those letters.
During my flight test phase which the FAA set at 25 hours, my airplane was structurally load tested to 1,325 lbs. and was based on standard category maneuvers. I've never run out of elevator authority ever. Corbin I have some important information for you. Please give me a call. Jim Patillo N46JP Q200 |
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There have been a few who could just barely get the belt fastened while sucking in their belly. Don't know how comfortable they were but by golly they weren't giving up their seat!
 Bruce ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...> To: <main@Q-List.groups.io> Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0600 Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit? 😊
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land. That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway. Bruce Crain
The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.
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Corbin <c_geiser@...>
My problem is headroom. I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed. I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible. I am 6' tall. Corbin   On April 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
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The original Revmaster was 64 h.p. and the Rev Flo carburetor raised it to 65h.p. John Hoxie He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot
On Monday, April 13, 2020, 03:26:30 PM MDT, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:
My problem is headroom. I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed. I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible. I am 6' tall. Corbin   On April 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:
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Robert Cringely
Maybe you need to bump up the canopy a little like they did to the Supermarine Spitfire with the Malcolm Hood. In this picture a Malcolm Hood aircraft is in the front and the one behind it has the stock canopy. Not only did the Malcolm Hood give more pilot headroom, it was faster!  To do it on a Q2, it might be better to emulate a 1959 Fiat Abarth 750 Zagato, that used two bumps.  If you have a spare canopy just in case, it might be worth the risk.
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I found that I am plenty comfortable with just the thinnest of memory foam on the seat bottom. Maybe you could take the bottom cushion back to the person that make it for you and have most of the foam removed. Here is my cockpit. Fuel tank is covered with Lear Jet carpet, then seat backs like yours (except thinner) and seat bottoms are just two pieces of fabric quilted over the thin memory foam (just peeking into the right corner of the second photo). I have flown long distance with no discomfort and lots of welcome headroom.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 3:26 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
My problem is headroom. I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed. I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible. I am 6' tall.
Corbin
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Thanks John,
So, based on this info, we are looking at (GW of 1000 pounds) a power loading of 15.4 lb/hp! Probably unconfortable for anything but a looong strip and low density altitude.
Cheers, Jay
From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hoxie via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 4:13 PM To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
The original Revmaster was 64 h.p. and the Rev Flo carburetor raised it to 65h.p.
John Hoxie He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot
On Monday, April 13, 2020, 03:26:30 PM MDT, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:
My problem is headroom. I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed. I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible. I am 6' tall.
Corbin
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The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body. Then it softens and will let you down a bit. You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while. No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.
 If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two. I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type. You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!
 Bruce Please note: message attached From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...> To: main@Q-List.groups.io Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:26:21 -0000 |
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