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KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Corbin
 

Thanks Jim.  What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing?  Silicone?

Corbin

On April 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

I would 2nd what Jay is saying. I’ve flown next to your “GU plane” with and without vortex generators.

Without them, I’ve seen your plane depart from straight and level flight, nose down until it ran out of elevator authority. The LS1 stayed straight and level. 

Jim
N46JP Q200




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Corbin 
N33QR

Jim Patillo
 

I believe you can get them from AC Spruce with sticky tape you just peel and put on wing.

Jim
N46JP Q200

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Thanks Jim.  What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing?  Silicone?

Corbin

On April 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

I would 2nd what Jay is saying. I’ve flown next to your “GU plane” with and without vortex generators.

Without them, I’ve seen your plane depart from straight and level flight, nose down until it ran out of elevator authority. The LS1 stayed straight and level. 

Jim
N46JP Q200




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Corbin 
N33QR

Jay Scheevel
 

Here is the page describing installing those available from Spruce. You can replace, whenever you accidentally (or intentionally) knock one off:

 

https://www.stolspeed.com/installing-vortex-generators

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

I believe you can get them from AC Spruce with sticky tape you just peel and put on wing.

 

Jim

N46JP Q200

 

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...>
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Thanks Jim.  What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing?  Silicone?

 

Corbin


On April 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

I would 2nd what Jay is saying. I’ve flown next to your “GU plane” with and without vortex generators.

Without them, I’ve seen your plane depart from straight and level flight, nose down until it ran out of elevator authority. The LS1 stayed straight and level. 

Jim
N46JP Q200

 

 


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Corbin 
N33QR

Corbin
 

I have tons of VG's, the metal style also sold on Spruce.  However, the white ones are appealing for a cleaner look.  Hmm...

Corbin 

On April 13, 2020 at 11:08 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:

Here is the page describing installing those available from Spruce. You can replace, whenever you accidentally (or intentionally) knock one off:

 

https://www.stolspeed.com/installing-vortex-generators

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Patillo
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 9:59 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

I believe you can get them from AC Spruce with sticky tape you just peel and put on wing.

 

Jim

N46JP Q200

 

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From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> on behalf of Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...>
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:36:28 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Thanks Jim.  What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing?  Silicone?

 

Corbin


On April 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

I would 2nd what Jay is saying. I’ve flown next to your “GU plane” with and without vortex generators.

Without them, I’ve seen your plane depart from straight and level flight, nose down until it ran out of elevator authority. The LS1 stayed straight and level. 

Jim
N46JP Q200

 

 


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Corbin 
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Corbin 
N33QR

One Sky Dog
 

VG highly recommended for GU losing lift on the canard is not a fun time.


On Apr 13, 2020, at 8:19 AM, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Corbin,

 

You will not notice the difference until you get some bugs or precipitation on the wing, then you will notice a big difference (kills a lot of lift on the canard). I would suggest putting the vg’s back on and leaving them, since this situation will only occur when it is least convenient for you, according to Murphy.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

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So I should put my VG's back on, huh?  I have been considering doing that.  I only flew once or twice without them (not at gross) and couldn't tell a difference but wasn't really paying attention either.

 

Corbin


On April 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Oh, btw the plane has an LS1 canard and typically flown from sea level 495’ msl airport. Do not try this with a GU canard!

Jim 
N46JP

 

 


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Corbin 
N33QR

Bruce Crain
 

 
From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.
Bruce Crain
 
 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.
 
Cheers,
Jay
 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
 
Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.
 

Jay Scheevel
 

Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit?  😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

 

From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.

Bruce Crain

 

 

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.

 

Martin Skiby
 

Corbin,  If you happen to find some rain you will be very very happy you have them.  The GU canard will head to the ground if it smells water.

We put on 1/2 the normal amount if it worked well, but without any you could get a very bad surprise.


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Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

So I should put my VG's back on, huh?  I have been considering doing that.  I only flew once or twice without them (not at gross) and couldn't tell a difference but wasn't really paying attention either.

Corbin

On April 13, 2020 at 10:12 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

Oh, btw the plane has an LS1 canard and typically flown from sea level 495’ msl airport. Do not try this with a GU canard!

Jim 
N46JP



Martin Skiby
 


Silicone is what we used to put them on with Corbin yes.  Works well 

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Sent: Monday April 13 2020 8:36:32AM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Thanks Jim.  What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing?  Silicone?

Corbin

On April 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

I would 2nd what Jay is saying. I’ve flown next to your “GU plane” with and without vortex generators.

Without them, I’ve seen your plane depart from straight and level flight, nose down until it ran out of elevator authority. The LS1 stayed straight and level. 

Jim
N46JP Q200



Corbin
 

Thanks Martin!

Corbin

On April 13, 2020 at 12:21 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:


Silicone is what we used to put them on with Corbin yes.  Works well 


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From: "Corbin via groups.io"
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Sent: Monday April 13 2020 8:36:32AM
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Thanks Jim.  What material would be best to adhere them onto the wing?  Silicone?

Corbin

On April 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Jim Patillo <Logistics_engineering@...> wrote:

I would 2nd what Jay is saying. I’ve flown next to your “GU plane” with and without vortex generators.

Without them, I’ve seen your plane depart from straight and level flight, nose down until it ran out of elevator authority. The LS1 stayed straight and level. 

Jim
N46JP Q200






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Corbin 
N33QR

Michael
 

Jim,

It would be great to know if the 1,325 lb number comes from structural limit testing or just plain ol' running out of aft CG. Do you fly in Normal Category above 1,100 lb?

Q-talk 129 - So What Is Your Gross Weight?

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#2827 (still thinking about planning on visualizing how to finish building)

Jim Patillo
 

Corbin please give me a call. 
Jim
N46JP Q200

Jim Patillo
 

What is your name MD? Don't recognize those letters.

During my flight test phase which the FAA set at 25 hours, my airplane was structurally load tested to 1,325 lbs. and was based on standard category maneuvers. I've never run out of elevator authority ever. 

Corbin I have some important information for you. Please give me a call.

Jim Patillo
N46JP Q200

Bruce Crain
 

There have been a few who could just barely get the belt fastened while sucking in their belly.  Don't know how comfortable they were but by golly they weren't giving  up their seat!
77_77
Bruce


---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0600

Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit?  😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

 

From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.

Bruce Crain

 

 

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.

 

 

Corbin
 

My problem is headroom.  I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed.  I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible.  I am 6' tall.

Corbin

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On April 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There have been a few who could just barely get the belt fastened while sucking in their belly.  Don't know how comfortable they were but by golly they weren't giving  up their seat!
77_77
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0600

Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit?  😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

 

From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.

Bruce Crain

 

 

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.

 

 




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Corbin 
N33QR

John Hoxie
 

The original Revmaster was 64 h.p. and the Rev Flo carburetor raised it to 65h.p.

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Monday, April 13, 2020, 03:26:30 PM MDT, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:


My problem is headroom.  I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed.  I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible.  I am 6' tall.

Corbin

DSC03230.jpgDSC03233.jpg

On April 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There have been a few who could just barely get the belt fastened while sucking in their belly.  Don't know how comfortable they were but by golly they weren't giving  up their seat!
77_77
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0600

Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit?  😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

 

From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.

Bruce Crain

 

 

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.

 

 




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Corbin 
N33QR

Robert Cringely
 

Maybe you need to bump up the canopy a little like they did to the Supermarine Spitfire with the Malcolm Hood. In this picture a Malcolm Hood aircraft is in the front and the one behind it has the stock canopy. Not only did the Malcolm Hood give more pilot headroom, it was faster! 

image.png

To do it on a Q2, it might be better to emulate a 1959 Fiat Abarth 750 Zagato, that used two bumps. 

image.png

If you have a spare canopy just in case, it might be worth the risk.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 2:26 PM Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
My problem is headroom.  I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed.  I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible.  I am 6' tall.

Corbin

DSC03230.jpgDSC03233.jpg

On April 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There have been a few who could just barely get the belt fastened while sucking in their belly.  Don't know how comfortable they were but by golly they weren't giving  up their seat!
77_77
Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0600

Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit?  😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

 

From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.

Bruce Crain

 

 

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.

 

 




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Corbin 
N33QR

Jay Scheevel
 

I found that I am plenty comfortable with just the thinnest of memory foam on the seat bottom. Maybe you could take the bottom cushion back to the person that make it for you and have most of the foam removed. Here is my cockpit. Fuel tank is covered with Lear Jet carpet, then seat backs like yours (except thinner) and seat bottoms are just two pieces of fabric quilted over the thin memory foam (just peeking into the right corner of the second photo). I have flown long distance with no discomfort and lots of welcome headroom.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Corbin via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

My problem is headroom.  I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed.  I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible.  I am 6' tall.

 

Corbin

 

DSC03230.jpgDSC03233.jpg


On April 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There have been a few who could just barely get the belt fastened while sucking in their belly.  Don't know how comfortable they were but by golly they weren't giving  up their seat!

77_77

Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0600

Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit?  😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

 

From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.

Bruce Crain

 

 

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.

 

 

 

 


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Corbin 
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Jay Scheevel
 

Thanks John,

 

So, based on this info, we are looking at (GW of 1000 pounds) a power loading of 15.4 lb/hp! Probably unconfortable for anything but a looong strip and low density altitude.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Hoxie via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 4:13 PM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

The original Revmaster was 64 h.p. and the Rev Flo carburetor raised it to 65h.p.

 

 

John Hoxie

He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot

 

 

On Monday, April 13, 2020, 03:26:30 PM MDT, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

 

 

My problem is headroom.  I got those new seats made but the foam is still so firm that I have to tilt my head to the right slightly when the canopy is closed.  I have weights on the seat to try and compress it as much as possible.  I am 6' tall.

 

Corbin

 

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On April 13, 2020 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There have been a few who could just barely get the belt fastened while sucking in their belly.  Don't know how comfortable they were but by golly they weren't giving  up their seat!

77_77

Bruce

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jay Scheevel" <jay@...>
To: <main@Q-List.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:18:40 -0600

Guess that means you have a gross volume limit, not a gross weight limit?  😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Crain
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:03 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

 

From experience, at least in my TriQ 200, if I can get the seat belt around you I can take off and land.  That was done without anything in the luggage compartment and also down at around 1000' MSL runway.

Bruce Crain

 

 

 

The general rule of thumb is 10 lb./horsepower for wing-loading similar to the Q2. The original Q2 was 1000 lb. gross with 85 horsepower engine (some would say more like 75-80 horsepower from the original Revmaster). So the ratio was demonstrated to be about 12.5 lb./hp on the prototype (80 hp). Once the dust settled on the design specs for the Q-200 w/ LS1, the factory approved gross weight was 1200 lb. for the 100 hp 0-200 engine. The Q2 with LS-1 and revmaster was raised to 1100 lb gross weight, or 13.75 lb/hp (assuming 80 hp revmaster). So 1325 would be at the high end of that range for 100 hp. (although exceeding the QAC specs) That is more than I would want to carry, but I think some in this group have demonstrated over1300 lb. gross near sea level.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io>On Behalf Of Joe Hood
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 6:53 AM
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Yes, sorry, gross weight. Interesting that the article shows a 1325 lb gross.

 

 

 

 


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Corbin 
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Bruce Crain
 

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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From: "Corbin via groups.io" <c_geiser@...>
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:26:21 -0000