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KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Corbin
 

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Reginald Clarke
 

To Corbin,
What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 
I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats
If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

Sincerely, Reg C





On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

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To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile

Bruce

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Reginald Clarke
 

Hello Jay,
That beautiful XPRESSO Subi-Q2 is a mess Canard’s Brocken back wing twisted prop about 2” blades.fuslage  Etc etc etc. I sold it and the new owner didn’t think he needed the help,so he was going to teach himself. doing fast taxes down runway it started to lift off and he got into PIO’s and not so pretty anymore  
Good to here your flying know I hope your staying safe
Sincerely 
Reg CLARKE





On Apr 14, 2020, at 09:57, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
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To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile

Bruce

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Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Reg,

 

So sorry to hear the fate of your nice plane. I had heard rumors, but hoped it was not that bad. I am happy to be flying my own now and do my best to keep each flight safe. Hope you are well also.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Hello Jay,

That beautiful XPRESSO Subi-Q2 is a mess Canard’s Brocken back wing twisted prop about 2” blades.fuslage  Etc etc etc. I sold it and the new owner didn’t think he needed the help,so he was going to teach himself. doing fast taxes down runway it started to lift off and he got into PIO’s and not so pretty anymore  

Good to here your flying know I hope your staying safe

Sincerely 

Reg CLARKE

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 09:57, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:30 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 




On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  Image removed by sender. wink_smile

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  Image removed by sender. red_smile

Bruce

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Jerry Marstall
 

Damn. Another one lost to an ego.

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Hi Reg,

 

So sorry to hear the fate of your nice plane. I had heard rumors, but hoped it was not that bad. I am happy to be flying my own now and do my best to keep each flight safe. Hope you are well also.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Hello Jay,

That beautiful XPRESSO Subi-Q2 is a mess Canard’s Brocken back wing twisted prop about 2” blades.fuslage  Etc etc etc. I sold it and the new owner didn’t think he needed the help,so he was going to teach himself. doing fast taxes down runway it started to lift off and he got into PIO’s and not so pretty anymore  

Good to here your flying know I hope your staying safe

Sincerely 

Reg CLARKE

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 09:57, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:30 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 




On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  

Bruce

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John Hoxie
 

Has anyone tried the egg sitter gel support seat or one of the similar purple seat cushions? 

 
John Hoxie
He is no fool, who gives up what he can not keep, to gain what he can not loose -- Jim Elliot


On Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 12:53:59 PM MDT, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:


Damn. Another one lost to an ego.

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Date: 4/14/20 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Hi Reg,

 

So sorry to hear the fate of your nice plane. I had heard rumors, but hoped it was not that bad. I am happy to be flying my own now and do my best to keep each flight safe. Hope you are well also.

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Hello Jay,

That beautiful XPRESSO Subi-Q2 is a mess Canard’s Brocken back wing twisted prop about 2” blades.fuslage  Etc etc etc. I sold it and the new owner didn’t think he needed the help,so he was going to teach himself. doing fast taxes down runway it started to lift off and he got into PIO’s and not so pretty anymore  

Good to here your flying know I hope your staying safe

Sincerely 

Reg CLARKE

 

 

 



On Apr 14, 2020, at 09:57, Jay Scheevel <jay@...> wrote:



Hi Reg,

 

Long time, no hear. What is the status of your previous ride, that beautiful Expresso Subi-Q2? 

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of Reginald Clarke via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 8:30 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

To Corbin,

What I’ve done meany times is sand the foam out from the bottom side with from 40 to 80 grit sandpaper and remove and make a pocked so your can lower your pelvis down. Take it slow a little at time.  When I make seats I use closed cell high density furniture foam and you can get it in soft to firm. Density at least 2.5 

I’m in the upholstery business and have made meany seats

If it’s the memory foam in there it may be more difficult to sand but give it a try

 

Sincerely, Reg C

 

 

 




On Apr 14, 2020, at 08:07, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:



The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.

You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  Image removed by sender. wink_smile

If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  

As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  Image removed by sender. red_smile

Bruce

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Joe Hood
 

Interesting, the one and only time I've ever sat in mine. My head (I'm 6'3") hit the canopy in the right seat (full padding) and left seat was fine (extensive sitz marks). I thought the curve of the felt good, even without the pad. I bet a thin backpacking pad would work well in a pinch.

Martin Skiby
 

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Corbin 
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Adrian Rogers
 

Before I had my seats made, I bought one of those rolled up camping pads (1/4” - 3/8” thick) From Walmart; I cut it to fit perfectly...no complaints, it served its purpose. 👍

Sent from the ultimate iPhone 

On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Joe Hood <joe.hood@...> wrote:

Interesting, the one and only time I've ever sat in mine. My head (I'm 6'3") hit the canopy in the right seat (full padding) and left seat was fine (extensive sitz marks). I thought the curve of the felt good, even without the pad. I bet a thin backpacking pad would work well in a pinch.

Corbin
 

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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One Sky Dog
 

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain $ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:


I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Corbin
 

Yes, basically the weights will help it compress once body weight is on it.  Otherwise, it expands again when no weight is on it.  In other words, my new seats and my old seats are the same thickness  when  side by side and no weight.  But the old seats compress much more since they are already broken in.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:24 AM, "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain $ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Reginald Clarke
 

Comment on foam, 
If the foam is a cheaper (low density) and or open cell foam it will compress over time and stop bouncing back. If it’s a good quality foam ( high density closed cell furniture foam type) it’s may take years for it to compress because it keeps pushing back according to pressure on it there for can be comfortable but it needs to be shaped. What I would consider is taking out foam and sanding it down and dish out the foam  with 40 to 80 grit sandpaper to the shape you want move. 

Reg C




On Apr 15, 2020, at 07:38, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:


Yes, basically the weights will help it compress once body weight is on it.  Otherwise, it expands again when no weight is on it.  In other words, my new seats and my old seats are the same thickness  when  side by side and no weight.  But the old seats compress much more since they are already broken in.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:24 AM, "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain $ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Hmm....the shop says it will conform but I am sure it is also high quality so maybe it will take longer than I am thinking.  I might look into the sanding method and just deal with loose leather.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:50 AM, "Reginald Clarke via groups.io" <airryder@...> wrote:

Comment on foam, 
If the foam is a cheaper (low density) and or open cell foam it will compress over time and stop bouncing back. If it’s a good quality foam ( high density closed cell furniture foam type) it’s may take years for it to compress because it keeps pushing back according to pressure on it there for can be comfortable but it needs to be shaped. What I would consider is taking out foam and sanding it down and dish out the foam  with 40 to 80 grit sandpaper to the shape you want move. 

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On Apr 15, 2020, at 07:38, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Yes, basically the weights will help it compress once body weight is on it.  Otherwise, it expands again when no weight is on it.  In other words, my new seats and my old seats are the same thickness  when  side by side and no weight.  But the old seats compress much more since they are already broken in.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 8:24 AM, "One Sky Dog via groups.io" <Oneskydog@...> wrote:

Hmm, so compressing the foam with weights if successful will not make the leather to loose ? After having flown on several seat iterations to much foam is worse than not enough (6’3”) only one seat has to be modified. Short term pain $ long term gain of fitting in your airplane. These are built around the pilot and over stuffed seats are a common mistake. Airplanes designed by short people with oversized tall people there is not much room for foam. Your upholstery guy does not have to sit on them all day and can’t move.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:23 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

I had discussed taking some foam out with the upholstery shop.  Basically, the seats would have to be rebuilt (else the leather would be too loose and not look good).  So they just advised weighting it down and speeding up the compression.   

Corbin

On April 14, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Normally they put 3 pieces of 1" foam with the stiffest being on the bottom and the softest on the top.  Is you foam only one piece?  I kind of like what Reg said.  "Sand the foam down where  your butt sits" if it is only one piece.  If it is 3 pieces just take out one or 2 of the 1" foams.  If it is one piece you can order the one inch foam and cut to size and let your upholstery guy or gal refit.
Surely your upholsterer can size the leather down to fit without much trouble.
Bruce

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I didn’t say it would relax in time.  I think that was the upholstery guy.  I said it relaxes when it gets warm from your butt sitting on it.
Bruce


On Apr 14, 2020, at 10:05 PM, Martin Skiby <mskiby@...> wrote:

Corbin.  

Take some foam out!   Or like Bruce said it will relax in time.   Interior looks great!!!

Martin

 


On Apr 14, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce.  I hadn’t thought about temperature affecting the foam.  I’m learning so much from this group!

Corbin

On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:


The memory foam is designed to be stiff until it warms up to your body.  Then it softens and will let you down a bit.  You may need to tighten your seat belt a bit when it lets down.
You could develop a slump for a while.  No you don't have to "sit up straight" like in elementary school.  wink_smile
If you have multiple strips of memory foam as per plans you can always take out 1 or two.  I think 3 is the norm but I only used 1 of the stiffer choices as when it softens it is best to have the stiffer type.  You may need to have your upholsterer take it down a notch.  
As Jay stated my seats are very comfortable mostly due to the lay back angle doesn't put much pressure on my Popo!  red_smile
Bruce

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Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Corbin
 

Brilliant.....now researching foam options and might even could put in the foam from previous seat.  Love this group.

Corbin

On April 15, 2020 at 11:49 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.




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There ya go Laddie!  😄
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On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.