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KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

One Sky Dog
 

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Richard Thomson
 

    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

One Sky Dog
 

Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Jay Scheevel
 

Hi Charlie,

 

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Rich,

 

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

 

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

 

Fly in comfort,

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

 

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

 

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce



On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Jerry Marstall
 

Photos available upon request.
JM

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/16/20 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@Q-List.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Charlie,

 

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Rich,

 

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

 

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

 

Fly in comfort,

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

 

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

 

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce



On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Kevin Boddicker
 

Be ware, there are some things you can't unsee!!!!


On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Photos available upon request.
JM

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/16/20 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Charlie,

 

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Rich,

 

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

 

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

 

Fly in comfort,

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

 

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

 

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce



On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Richard Thomson
 

    Yes its ankle angle thats a killer for me too, and have been experimenting with cable length to try and get the most comfortable pedal position during several hours of "Cockpit Familiarisation".

    I managed to get my elbow behind my head during the under panel activities, but obviously not as supple as Jay yet. In fact, do not believe I have ever been that good a contortionist  !!!

Rich T.

On 16/04/2020 15:48, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Rich,

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

Fly in comfort,

One Sky Dog


On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:
Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

One Sky Dog


On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄
Bruce


On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.

Bruce Crain
 

Leaves a presenting target for “Diabolo”!
B


On Apr 16, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Kevin Boddicker <trumanst@...> wrote:


Be ware, there are some things you can't unsee!!!!


On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:34 AM, Jerry Marstall <jnmarstall@...> wrote:

Photos available upon request.
JM

-------- Original message --------
From: Jay Scheevel <jay@...>
Date: 4/16/20 11:06 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

Hi Charlie,

 

Once I get it trimmed up for cruise on a long flight, I pull my legs up and lock both ankles behind my neck. I learned this pose from Jerry Marstall! 😊

 

Cheers,

Jay

 

From: main@Q-List.groups.io <main@Q-List.groups.io> On Behalf Of One Sky Dog via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 8:49 AM
To: main@q-list.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Q-List] KITPLANES - September 2006 - Las Vegas Quickie

 

Rich,

 

I recline 30 degrees in my Dragonfly, the calculations are all average numbers you can refine them for specific areas if you want. No it does not take leg position into account. It just illustrates that you do not need a stiff foam. Temper foams are different as the push back changes with temperature.

 

For me the spot that gets me the most is the back of my heels resting on the canard. Especially after 8 hour flying days. In conventional planes it is the sitz bones.

 

Fly in comfort,

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:



    So do you stand on your seat or have an unusual seating position?

    Does this take into account leg weight distribution ?

Rich T 

On 16/04/2020 13:11, One Sky Dog via groups.io wrote:

Simple elegant solution low push back foam.

 

So my estimated average seat loading is: 220 lbs/ (20” torso + 10” seat) * 12” wide = 0.6 lb/ in2.

 

So to sink in I would need foam that could not support estimated 0.5 lb/in2.

 

One Sky Dog



On Apr 15, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Bruce Crain <jcrain2@...> wrote:

 There ya go Laddie!  😄

Bruce



On Apr 15, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Rik <Info@...> wrote:

Corbin, your need has a very simple solution, one which will not make the nice material to large nor cause it to be full of wrinkles.

Change the foam density from it's current one to one that is softer. This will A. keep the exact same shape that your current seat skin's are fit to. B. Eliminate the need to store heavy items upon you nice new material and potentially cause premature wear/tear C. Enable you to get in, sit down, buckle in and go flying. Life back to normal.

There are foam densities that can protect an egg and there are foam densities that can protect a big fat ass and everything in between. They simply put in a density that is to strong for your needs. Shape can be 100% identical but the density will allow you to sink to your preferred height without the need for all this sanding, weighing and so forth.