Mission Changed  Time to Sell My Q200
Corbin <c_geiser@...>
Well, I knew the day was probably coming. With kids going off to college and me no longer traveling weekly to the client, the Q200 no longer fits my mission. My wife and I want a plane we can shuffle kids back and forth to/from college as well as go back to Colorado flying vacations with all five of us.
I just brought home a new to me Turbo 210 from Seattle down to Dallas and sadly have decided it doesn't make sense to keep the Quickie. I wanted to let this group know that it is for sale first to hopefully find the right person. However, I have not settled on a price yet but will work on that soon. It will likely be the most expensive listing for a Q200 given the upgrades recently made. If I can find a larger hangar asap then I will keep it but I don't think the odds are good of finding one. High level:
 Corbin N121CG




Richard Thomson
That's a shame Corbin, after all that work. Old age happens to
us all :) Rich T.
On 06/08/2022 15:32, Corbin via
groups.io wrote:
Well, I knew the day was probably coming. With kids going off to college and me no longer traveling weekly to the client, the Q200 no longer fits my mission. My wife and I want a plane we can shuffle kids back and forth to/from college as well as go back to Colorado flying vacations with all five of us.




David J. Gall
And then some *old* guy asks, “how much?” 😂
On Aug 6, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Richard Thomson <richard@...> wrote:




David J. Gall
How much?
On Aug 6, 2022, at 10:32 AM, Corbin via groups.io <c_geiser@...> wrote:




Troy Zawlacki
And what is the empty weight?
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Jim Patillo
Troy,
Mark Summers built the plane here in Livermore. I think it weighed in the mid 600’s. He later built a Legacy and parted out the Q because he didn’t want any liability. Then Martin & his son bought it and had to put it together from pieces and
new parts. Next Corbin bought it and took it back to Texas. It was a nice fast plane. I know the pedigree.🙃
Jim
N46JP Q200
PS: I will be flying in  in the morning. What time are you going to start your taxi tests?
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Corbin <c_geiser@...>
I have attached the W/B for anyone interesting. I have not had a chance to work on the sale price yet. Next Saturday, I will likely move the plane to Rapid City, South Dakota where my CFII, who ferried the plane with me and did my transition training, is based with hangar space for me. He has offered to help train a new buyer as well (including ferry service). He is also an A&P and knows the plane very well.
Corbin N121CG




Chris Walterson
Corbin Not trying to be picky, BUT, a US gallon of gas is 6.1 lbs. I think your math is using 5 lbs.
My airplane weighs 339 KGs , flies 281 KPH and burns 19 litres per hr. Take care, from Canada Chris  This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com




Corbin <c_geiser@...>
Chris, I think you are looking at the fuel burn of 5 gph. If you check the cell formula you will see 6lbs for the weight.
 Corbin N121CG




Chris Walterson
Corbin  I may be missing something. I see the fuel burn at 5 GPH
In the W&B it says column 3 fuel main 10 gallons column 4 says 50lbs Next down for the header it says column 3  4 gallons column 4 is 20 lbs Take care Chris  This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com




Corbin <c_geiser@...>
Chris,
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Look at the formula itself in the W/B. 6 lbs is used for a gallon of gas. See screenshot below.

Corbin N121CG




Jay Scheevel
Hi Corbin,
I think Chris is looking at the results of the formula in column 4 (starting condition moment calculation), where it apparently multiplies the fuel quantity in gallons by the weight per gallon and appears to indicate that the weight per gallon in that formula is 5 lb./gallon.
Cheers, Jay
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Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:34 PM To: Q List <main@QList.groups.io> Subject: Re: [QList] Mission Changed  Time to Sell My Q200
Chris,
Look at the formula itself in the W/B. 6 lbs is used for a gallon of gas. See screenshot below.




Corbin <c_geiser@...>
The answer is always in the formula and cell references. That formula is using fuel burn rate for the time component in the W/B. The header name of “Weight” is just through to baggage.
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It is a relative reference for the fuel burn calculation below. He needs to look at the actual formula for the weight of the fuel further down in the W/B. For example, the first row shows 11 gallons of gas and 66 lbs which is the 10 gallons entered above in the cell he is looking at plus the 1 gallon of unusable fuel for a total of 11 gallons. The weight shows 66 lbs. The second row shows 10 gallons at 60 lbs and so on and so on. As time goes on (first column) the rate that fuel burns if 5 gallons per hour. This is how the total fuel in main decreases as time passes. The weight is updated by multiplying the gallons times 6lbs. If the relative reference, using fuel burn was not calculated then the time component in the first column would be inaccurate. The screenshot shows what I am referring to quite easily. Corbin

Corbin N121CG




Jay Scheevel
See what you are saying, Corbin. However, if you used the spreadsheet that I sent you a while back as a template, the initial weight and moment are calculated in the upper section and then the weight/moment history are computed incrementally from that initial value using the fuel burn rate and weight of a gallon, in the columns below. Just trying to clear up the confusion. Here is my spreadsheet snapshot similar to yours.
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Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:57 PM To: Q List <main@QList.groups.io> Subject: Re: [QList] Mission Changed  Time to Sell My Q200
The answer is always in the formula and cell references. That formula is using fuel burn rate for the time component in the W/B. The header name of “Weight” is just through to baggage.
It is a relative reference for the fuel burn calculation below. He needs to look at the actual formula for the weight of the fuel further down in the W/B. For example, the first row shows 11 gallons of gas and 66 lbs which is the 10 gallons entered above in the cell he is looking at plus the 1 gallon of unusable fuel for a total of 11 gallons. The weight shows 66 lbs. The second row shows 10 gallons at 60 lbs and so on and so on. As time goes on (first column) the rate that fuel burns if 5 gallons per hour. This is how the total fuel in main decreases as time passes. The weight is updated by multiplying the gallons times 6lbs. If the relative reference, using fuel burn was not calculated then the time component in the first column would be inaccurate.
The screenshot shows what I am referring to quite easily.
Corbin




Corbin <c_geiser@...>
I am using the one the builder(s) created specific to my plane. I think Chris is the one confused, not me. :)
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Jay Scheevel
Ok, but if you check your spreadsheet formula in your column 4, you will find that it is multiplying the tank volume in gallons by the “fuel burn” to determine fuel weight. This is not right. If your fuel burn number happens to be 6 it is all works out, but your fuel burn number is 5. BTW, the Skibys used my spreadsheet as a template. I assisted them with the W&B computations on your airplane. Not sure when the formula for the fuel weight got switched, though.
Cheers, Jay
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Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 5:51 PM To: Q List <main@QList.groups.io> Subject: Re: [QList] Mission Changed  Time to Sell My Q200
I am using the one the builder(s) created specific to my plane. I think Chris is the one confused, not me. :)
Corbin




Corbin <c_geiser@...>
Can you screenshot the formula you are referring to? I am not showing where it is using 5lbs for fuel weight.
 Corbin N121CG




Corbin <c_geiser@...>
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Jay Scheevel
This is the spreadsheet you originally sent. I have highlighted cell column4/row8. The colors show which cells are reference in the formula. You can see the value is multiplying fuel volume by fuel burn.
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Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 4:57 PM To: Q List <main@QList.groups.io> Subject: Re: [QList] Mission Changed  Time to Sell My Q200
The answer is always in the formula and cell references. That formula is using fuel burn rate for the time component in the W/B. The header name of “Weight” is just through to baggage.
It is a relative reference for the fuel burn calculation below. He needs to look at the actual formula for the weight of the fuel further down in the W/B. For example, the first row shows 11 gallons of gas and 66 lbs which is the 10 gallons entered above in the cell he is looking at plus the 1 gallon of unusable fuel for a total of 11 gallons. The weight shows 66 lbs. The second row shows 10 gallons at 60 lbs and so on and so on. As time goes on (first column) the rate that fuel burns if 5 gallons per hour. This is how the total fuel in main decreases as time passes. The weight is updated by multiplying the gallons times 6lbs. If the relative reference, using fuel burn was not calculated then the time component in the first column would be inaccurate.
The screenshot shows what I am referring to quite easily.
Corbin




Corbin <c_geiser@...>
That is the fuel burn rate. Not the weight. You need to look at the actual formula and weights down below. The fuel burn rate is 5 gallons per hour. That is not the weight. Look at the actual W/B down below.
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